TAMPA CITY COUNCIL 9:01:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 9:02:20AM WE CAN HONOR THOSE THAT ARE THE BEST OF US, THAT WE CAN HEAR 9:03:34AM VIERA? 9:04:26AM BOTH MYSELF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO WILL FOLLOW ME WILL 9:05:18AM CHIEF, DO WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE? 9:06:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. 9:07:03AM ALL RIGHT. 9:08:02AM YES. 9:08:53AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. 9:09:26AM ALL IN FAVOR? 9:10:11AM THIS IS POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH. 9:11:47AM RELENTLESS LEADER, HE IS CONSISTENTLY AT THE FOREFRONT OF 9:13:10AM TEAM COMMANDER, HE SHARES HIS EXPERTISE IN DEVELOPING THE 9:14:30AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING OUR 9:15:35AM THANK YOU, SERGEANT LTEIF. 9:16:50AM HERE IS A GAME BALL. 9:17:55AM I ALWAYS SAY THIS, BUT THE CHIEF WANTS YOU TO TAKE HIM. 9:19:01AM ATTENDANCE BACK THERE AND THEIR CONSTANT SUPPORT AS WELL 9:21:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL. 9:23:03AM POLICE AND WAITING FOR THEM TO ARRIVE. 9:24:24AM [ APPLAUSE ] 9:25:43AM GOOGLE IT. 9:26:55AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY AND 9:27:49AM JUST LIKE THE UNION EMPLOYEES, YOU KEEP THE CITY MOVING 9:29:06AM PLEASE TAKE THEM WITH YOU. 9:30:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 9:31:43AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. 9:33:06AM FAMILIES THAT ARE IN NEED. 9:34:31AM NOW, BEFORE WE FORMALLY HONOR YOU, CAPTAIN, WE HAVE SOME 9:35:42AM HE'S BECOME AN INSPIRATION TO NOT JUST THE DEPARTMENT, HIS 9:36:52AM MARY DILLON WITH THE DAVID A. STRAZ CENTER FOR THE 9:37:50AM RESTAURANTS. 9:38:58AM >> BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS. 9:39:53AM [ APPLAUSE ] 9:41:05AM AGAIN, LUNCH OR DINNER. 9:42:11AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE IAFF, BROTHERS AND 9:43:28AM NIGHT WHEN I'M NOT HOME, WRANGLE THREE CHILDREN TO BED ON 9:44:35AM BUT BECAUSE OF THIS FAMILY, HER STRENGTH AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF 9:45:54AM SUCH A WONDERFUL FAMILY BEHIND YOU AND THREE KIDS. 9:48:28AM ONE CARD PER SPEAKER. 9:49:31AM VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING 9:50:32AM MS. ANDREA ZELMAN. 9:51:56AM SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE. 9:53:00AM HILL CEMETERY. 9:54:19AM THEIR OWN CLUB, SELLING TICKETS FOR $85 FOR NONMEMBERS AND 9:55:25AM >> HEY, GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. 9:56:56AM CITY, THE APPOINTMENTS TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BUDGET AND 9:58:17AM NEXT UP I HAVE TIM STROM -- 9:59:44AM IN SERVICE MEANT OUR FAMILIES WERE SAFER. 10:01:08AM THESE QUALIFICATIONS YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS THE 10:02:15AM RESEARCHING THE TOPIC, SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY BUT ALSO IN 10:03:24AM I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE. 10:04:35AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AND ON THE DAIS FOR 10:06:05AM WHERE WE COME FROM. 10:07:38AM WE MUST DO BETTER. 10:08:42AM IS THAT MOST OF THEM WOULD GO UNSEEN IF THE CRB WASN'T 10:09:49AM DON'T WANT THAT GUY. 10:10:59AM HE CAN'T KNOW THAT EITHER. 10:12:00AM IT SHOWS 3994 UNITS AT THE ZERO TO 120, WHICH MEANS IT'S 10:13:21AM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FOLKS ON SSI. 10:14:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. 10:15:57AM SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 10:17:14AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
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9:01:31AM WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
9:01:32AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
9:01:34AM AT THIS TIME, COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE AN INVOCATION?
9:01:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CHAPLAIN
9:01:45AM JASON SOWELL WHO IS A CHAPLAIN WITH THE TAMPA POLICE
9:01:49AM DEPARTMENT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS AND IS THE FOUNDER OF
9:01:52AM CURRENT INITIATIVES, A TAMPA BASED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION
9:01:54AM THAT LEADS LOCAL MISSION INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE LAUNDRY
9:01:59AM PROJECT, HOPE FOR HOMES PROJECT AND AFFORDABLE CHRISTMAS.
9:02:02AM HE HAS BEEN A CHRISTIAN MINISTER IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA FOR
9:02:05AM MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
9:02:06AM WE WELCOME HIM HERE.
9:02:07AM IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
9:02:10AM PLEDGE.
9:02:12AM >> THANK YOU.
9:02:13AM LET'S BOW OUR HEADS.
9:02:15AM GRACIOUS GOD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DAYS LIKE TODAY.
9:02:22AM FROM OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THINGS THAT WE
9:02:27AM NEED TO TACKLE AS A COMMUNITY.
9:02:29AM THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TOGETHER.
9:02:32AM MAY WE TODAY BE THE BEST OF OURSELVES.
9:02:36AM MAY WE HONOR OUR CITY AND GOD WE ASK YOUR BLESSING ON OUR
9:02:39AM GREAT CITY.
9:02:40AM AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, MAY WE WALK WITH HOPE IN
9:02:45AM OUR HEARTS, COMPASSION AND CARE FOR THOSE AROUND US TO MAKE
9:02:49AM OUR CITY THE BEST IT CAN BE.
9:02:51AM THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT WE'LL BE HONORING TODAY, FOR THEIR
9:02:54AM SACRIFICE, THE HEROES OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND MAY WE FOLLOW
9:02:59AM THEIR LEAD AND CONTINUE TO BE THE BEST OF US.
9:03:01AM IN OUR GREAT COMMUNITY.
9:03:03AM WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE FOR US.
9:03:05AM WE ASK ALL THESE BLESSINGS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND THE
9:03:08AM SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
9:03:09AM AMEN.
9:03:10AM >> AMEN.
9:03:11AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:03:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:03:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:03:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:03:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:03:34AM >> HENDERSON?
9:03:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:03:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:03:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:03:37AM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:03:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:03:40AM I NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 18,
9:03:44AM 2024, AND JULY 25, 2024.
9:03:45AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:03:46AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:03:48AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:03:48AM AYE.
9:03:49AM I'D LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
9:03:53AM HENDERSON HAS SENT A MEMO REGARDING HER ABSENCE FROM TODAY'S
9:03:56AM MEETING.
9:03:57AM SO I WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT.
9:03:59AM MR. SHELBY.
9:04:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD MORNING.
9:04:02AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:04:04AM MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
9:04:08AM THAT I HOLD MY COMMENTS TO THE POINT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:04:14AM I KNOW THIS IS THE BEST POINT IN THE AGENDA THAT WE USUALLY
9:04:17AM DO THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONFER WITH THE
9:04:19AM CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE I DO SO THIS MORNING.
9:04:22AM I ASK THAT YOU HOLD THAT TO RIGHT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN
9:04:29AM HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL.
9:04:31AM THANK YOU.
9:04:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:04:32AM SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO CALL UP THE CITY ATTORNEY.
9:04:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
9:04:39AM ACTUALLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DO THE HOUSEKEEPING AND
9:04:42AM GO THROUGH THE ITEMS.
9:04:43AM BEFORE YOU GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT IS WHEN I'LL SPEAK.
9:04:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:04:46AM WE'LL DO HOUSEKEEPING.
9:04:47AM WE HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA REQUESTING THAT
9:04:49AM ITEM 11 BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.
9:04:52AM WE WILL HEAR THIS UNDER ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT
9:04:56AM AGENDA PRIOR TO STAFF REPORTS.
9:04:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, I WANT TO DO IT TO
9:05:01AM HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE.
9:05:03AM STAFF NEED NOT APPEAR.
9:05:04AM I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
9:05:07AM JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT.
9:05:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:05:10AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:05:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:05:12AM AYE.
9:05:13AM LET ME GET TO STAFF REPORTS.
9:05:20AM YOU DO NOT.
9:05:23AM ALL RIGHT.
9:05:23AM ITEMS 57, THIS IS A LARGE ITEM, DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR
9:05:30AM THAT?
9:05:31AM ANYBODY?
9:05:34AM NO.
9:05:35AM OKAY.
9:05:35AM NO STAFF PRESENT FOR 57.
9:05:38AM 58, WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF PRESENT FOR 58?
9:05:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:05:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL HAVE STAFF PRESENT FOR 58.
9:05:47AM 59?
9:05:47AM ANYBODY?
9:05:51AM ALL RIGHT.
9:05:52AM NO STAFF PRESENT FOR 59.
9:05:54AM ITEM NUMBER 60, DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR THIS ITEM?
9:05:58AM NO.
9:06:01AM ALL RIGHT.
9:06:01AM 61?
9:06:02AM NO.
9:06:04AM 62?
9:06:06AM I HEAR A NO.
9:06:11AM WE DO HAVE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION.
9:06:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS, YES.
9:06:15AM SO YES ON 62.
9:06:17AM ITEM NUMBER 63 WILL BE HEARD FIRST UNDER STAFF REPORTS, IS
9:06:22AM THAT CORRECT?
9:06:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:06:23AM SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE ITALIAN CLUB ON ANY PRESENTATION
9:06:26AM THAT THEY HAD.
9:06:28AM TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK, BUT I
9:06:31AM SUGGEST WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS TODAY.
9:06:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO YES ON 63.
9:06:35AM ITEM NUMBER 64 WILL BE HEARD WITH ITEM NUMBER 4, IS THAT
9:06:38AM CORRECT?
9:06:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, IF I MAY.
9:06:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 64 WE'LL --
9:06:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE IT --
9:06:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE 64 TO GO WITH 4.
9:06:48AM ITEM NUMBER 65?
9:06:49AM WE DO HAVE A PowerPoint, SO THAT'S A YES.
9:06:53AM IT WILL BE A FIVE-MINUTE REPORT.
9:06:54AM ITEM 66?
9:06:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:06:59AM THAT'S AN IN-PERSON.
9:07:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:07:02AM 67?
9:07:02AM YES.
9:07:06AM ITEM NUMBER 68, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO
9:07:09AM NOVEMBER 21st.
9:07:10AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION?
9:07:11AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:07:14AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:07:15AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:07:20AM IF YOU CAN, FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, IF YOU CAN AMEND
9:07:22AM THAT MOTION, BE INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION TO HAVE THE CLERK
9:07:26AM AMEND IT TO SAY APPLICATION OF SECTION 6.01 OF THE CITY
9:07:30AM CHARTER.
9:07:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:07:32AM SO WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND AMEND IT TO INCLUDE APPLICATION
9:07:36AM OF 6.01 OF THE CITY CHARTER.
9:07:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 601.
9:07:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OF SECTION 6.01.
9:07:45AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
9:07:47AM THAT WILL BE CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER 21st WITH THAT 6.01
9:07:51AM INCLUDED.
9:07:52AM ITEM NUMBER 69, IS THAT A YES?
9:07:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T THINK WE NEED STAFF HERE.
9:07:56AM WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
9:07:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO STAFF ON 69, BUT WHEN IT COMES UP, WE
9:08:01AM CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
9:08:04AM ITEM NUMBER 70?
9:08:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, FOR THE SAKE OF EFFICIENCY AND FOR
9:08:09AM THE TIME OF CHIEF TRIPP AND CHIEF BERCAW, IT MAKES SENSE TO
9:08:14AM HAVE THESE HEARD ON AUGUST 5 AND AUGUST 19 WHEN WE HAVE OUR
9:08:18AM BUDGET WORKSHOPS TO INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR C.I.P. ON
9:08:22AM AUGUST 5th AND OPERATING ON AUGUST 19 FOR THE SAKE OF
9:08:26AM EFFICIENCY.
9:08:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT TO
9:08:28AM THOSE SET DATES.
9:08:29AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
9:08:31AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:32AM AYE.
9:08:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW,
9:08:36AM THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING HAS ALREADY
9:08:39AM BEEN RELEASED.
9:08:41AM I GUESS, MADAM CLERK, THIS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE FINAL
9:08:43AM AGENDA.
9:08:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:08:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:08:45AM ITEM NUMBER 71.
9:08:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: RECEIVE AND FILE IS FINE.
9:08:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:08:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:08:50AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 71.
9:08:55AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:56AM AYE.
9:08:57AM WRITTEN REPORT FOR 72.
9:08:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: RECEIVE AND FILE IS FINE.
9:08:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
9:09:01AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:09:01AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:09:02AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:09:04AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:05AM AYE.
9:09:05AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:09:06AM ITEM NUMBER 73 WE ALSO HAVE -- OH, A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO
9:09:11AM OCTOBER 3, 2024.
9:09:12AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:09:14AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:09:16AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:17AM AYE.
9:09:17AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:09:18AM ITEM NUMBER 74, WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:09:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:09:21AM RECEIVE AND FILE.
9:09:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE 74.
9:09:24AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:09:25AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:09:27AM AYE.
9:09:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE RECEIVE
9:09:30AM AND FILES FOR THE DETAILED MEMOS.
9:09:32AM I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THEIR TIME HERE.
9:09:34AM BUT THANK STAFF.
9:09:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 75 WE HAVE A WRITTEN MEMO.
9:09:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:09:38AM I WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION REGARDING THIS, WHICH IS THE
9:09:42AM LAST ITEM.
9:09:42AM I'LL JUST DO IT AT NEW BUSINESS OR THEN.
9:09:45AM IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS, THAT MIGHT BE THE TIME TO DO
9:09:48AM THEM.
9:09:48AM SO, YES.
9:09:49AM TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS AND THEN --
9:09:53AM >> WHY DON'T WE LEAVE IT ON THERE.
9:09:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO.
9:09:58AM THEN I'LL HAVE MY MOTION THEN.
9:09:59AM GREAT.
9:09:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING.
9:10:01AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
9:10:03AM MOTION FROM MIRANDA AND SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
9:10:05AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:06AM AYE.
9:10:07AM WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
9:10:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:10:36AM IT IS A REAL GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE FOR TAMPA POLICE
9:10:39AM OFFICER OF THE MONTH COMMENDATION HERE IN TAMPA CITY
9:10:41AM COUNCIL.
9:10:42AM THIS IS FOR SERGEANT JOE LTEIF.
9:10:49AM SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE GENTLEMAN AND A VERY NICE YOUNG MAN.
9:10:51AM I GUESS I'M 46 AND CAN SAY THAT NOW.
9:10:53AM HERE TO EXPLAIN MORE ON THE GREAT WORK OF THE FINE GENTLEMAN
9:10:55AM AND PUBLIC SERVANT IS CHIEF BERCAW.
9:10:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:11:00AM IT IS MY HONOR TO HIGHLIGHT OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH WHO IS
9:11:05AM NOT IN UNIFORM TODAY, BUT HE IS A SERGEANT WITH THE TAMPA
9:11:08AM POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRST LINE SUPERVISORS ARE
9:11:11AM CRITICAL IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
9:11:12AM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN AS OUR -- IS OUR
9:11:16AM SERGEANTS ON THE STREET.
9:11:18AM YOU'LL HEAR TODAY WHY HE IS SO DESERVING OF THIS AWARD.
9:11:21AM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PROUD TO ANNOUNCE SERGEANT
9:11:24AM JOE LTEIF AS OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR AUGUST 2024 WITH A
9:11:30AM DECADE OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE DEPARTMENT.
9:11:33AM HE CURRENTLY SUPERVISES OUR FIELD TRAINING SQUAD.
9:11:38AM IN ADDITION TO TRAINING HIS OFFICERS AND KEEPING THEM UP TO
9:11:42AM SPEED, HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEW RECRUITS THAT COME OUT
9:11:45AM IN THEIR TRAINING AS WELL.
9:11:51AM HIS SQUAD, PROACTIVELY COMBATING VIOLENT CRIME AND
9:11:54AM IDENTIFYING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT IN
9:11:58AM IDENTIFYING HOT SPOTS.
9:11:59AM THE DEPARTMENT BENEFITS FROM HIS COMBINED KNOWLEDGE AS A
9:12:02AM STREET SERGEANT, S.W.A.T. TEAM MEMBER, AND A DEFENSIVE
9:12:06AM TACTICS INSTRUCTOR.
9:12:07AM HIS PROACTIVE STRATEGY HAS LED TO THE SUCCESSFUL RECOVERY OF
9:12:12AM NUMEROUS FIREARMS IN THE APPREHENSION OF WANTED CRIMINALS
9:12:16AM RESULTING IN A SAFER COMMUNITY.
9:12:18AM HE'S ON A PATROL SQUAD AND TRAINING SQUAD AND TO DO ALL THAT
9:12:22AM ON THAT SQUAD SPEAKS INCREDIBLE VOLUMES OF HIM.
9:12:25AM IN ONE NOTABLE INCIDENT, HE CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP THAT
9:12:28AM LED TO THE DISCOVERY OF A FIREARM IN THE ARREST OF A
9:12:32AM CONVICTED FELON WHO WAS IN POSSESSION OF COCAINE.
9:12:35AM IN ANOTHER INSTANCE, THE SUSPECT COULD NOT OUTRUN JUSTICE.
9:12:40AM IN ADDITION TO DOING EVERYTHING HE IS, HE'S LEADING FROM THE
9:12:44AM FRONT AND IN FOOT PURSUIT OF A FLEEING FELON.
9:12:49AM OF COURSE, HE CAUGHT THE FLEEING FELON WHO HAD AN ACTIVE
9:12:52AM FELONY WARRANT AND HE TOOK HIM INTO CUSTODY.
9:12:54AM THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF HIS COMMITMENT TO RIDDING
9:12:57AM THE STREETS OF CRIMINALS AND ILLEGAL WEAPONS.
9:13:01AM BEYOND HIS EXCEPTIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK, HE IS
9:13:04AM INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW OFFICERS.
9:13:07AM AS A SKILLED DEFENSIVE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR AND A S.W.A.T.
9:13:14AM SKILL SETS OF ALL OFFICERS WHILE ENSURING THAT THE OFFICERS
9:13:17AM ARE SAFE OUT THERE PROTECTING THEMSELVES AND THE CITIZENS.
9:13:21AM HIS ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY BALANCE MULTIPLE RESPONSIBILITIES
9:13:25AM WITHOUT COMPLAINT IS A TESTAMENT TO HIS CHARACTER AND WORK
9:13:28AM ETHIC.
9:13:29AM HIS UNWAVERING DEDICATION TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
9:13:32AM MISSION OF REDUCING CRIME AND PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY IS
9:13:35AM EVIDENT IN HIS EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE.
9:13:38AM HE'S A SHINING EXAMPLE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S DEDICATION TO
9:13:41AM PUBLIC SERVICE AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HONORING HIM AS OUR
9:13:45AM OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR AUGUST 2024.
9:13:47AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE FORMALLY HONOR YOU, SIR, THERE ARE
9:13:58AM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR
9:14:01AM APPRECIATION TO YOU, SIR.
9:14:02AM COME ON FORWARD.
9:14:06AM >> BEHALF OF TAMPA PBA -- HE WAS A WORKER BACK THEN.
9:14:14AM REALLY GREAT WORKER NOW.
9:14:15AM PRESENT THE PLAQUE FOR ALL YOU DO TO PROTECT CITIZENS OF
9:14:19AM TAMPA ON A DAILY BASIS.
9:14:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:14:24AM GOOD MORNING, SERGEANT.
9:14:25AM GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
9:14:28AM 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
9:14:32AM COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:14:33AM WE WANT TO THANK YOU WITH THIS GIFT CARD.
9:14:35AM PLEASE ENJOY YOURSELF WHEN YOU GET A BREAK WITH SANGRIA,
9:14:40AM PAELLA AT ULELE CELEBRATING A DECADE AND YOU CAN CELEBRATE
9:14:48AM YOUR SERVICE THERE.
9:14:50AM >> MARY LOU BAILEY, ZOO TAMPA.
9:14:54AM WE WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU TO
9:14:56AM EVERYONE WHO SERVES IN THE POLICE FORCE.
9:14:58AM YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.
9:14:59AM I LOVE PART OF YOUR STORY ABOUT DEVELOPING FUTURE OFFICERS
9:15:02AM IN PARTICULAR.
9:15:03AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR GROOMING OTHER PEOPLE.
9:15:06AM WE'RE PRESENTING YOU WITH ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO THE ZOO.
9:15:10AM AND WE HOPE YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES ENJOY IT AND TAKE CARE
9:15:13AM OF ANIMALS AS WELL AS YOU TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS.
9:15:17AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
9:15:18AM THANK YOU.
9:15:19AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:15:21AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
9:15:24AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CASPERS COMPANY.
9:15:26AM EVAN BROWNSTEIN.
9:15:28AM CASPERS FAMILY AND ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY, REALLY GRATEFUL
9:15:32AM TO YOU FOR KEEPING THE STREETS SAFE AND KEEPING THE
9:15:34AM COMMUNITY SAFE.
9:15:38AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:15:39AM >> MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
9:15:43AM TRAINING IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS FOR EVERYTHING.
9:15:47AM IT'S GUYS LIKE YOU THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER.
9:15:50AM WITHOUT THE TRAINING, THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
9:15:52AM ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP'S AND STEPP'S TOWING, GIFT CARD FOR
9:15:58AM A NIGHT OUT WITH DINNER.
9:16:02AM >> MARY DILLON, REPRESENTING THE STRAZ CENTER FOR THE
9:16:07AM PERFORMANCE ARTS.
9:16:08AM ON BEHALF OF THE STRAZ CENTER, PLEASE ENJOY A NIGHT OUT TO
9:16:11AM BROADWAY SHOW FOR YOU AND A GUEST.
9:16:15AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:16:15AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:16:19AM JILL WITECKI WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
9:16:21AM ON BEHALF OF THE THEATER, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
9:16:24AM SPEND ONE OF YOUR DAYS OFF, COME SEE US AT THE MOVIES.
9:16:28AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:16:33AM BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
9:16:35AM YOUR STORY IS REMARKABLE.
9:16:37AM BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
9:16:40AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND YOUR FAMILY.
9:16:43AM YOUR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE.
9:16:51AM YOU DESERVE IT.
9:16:52AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:57AM >> GOT A FEW THINGS.
9:17:00AM FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
9:17:04AM MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT FRESH KITCHEN ON SOUTH HOWARD
9:17:07AM CAUGHT ON FIRE.
9:17:08AM IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE BY THE POLICE
9:17:11AM DEPARTMENT CALLING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING WOULD
9:17:14AM HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY LOST.
9:17:16AM SO THE POLICE ENGAGED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
9:17:19AM THEY CAME.
9:17:20AM THERE IS DAMAGE THERE.
9:17:23AM BUT IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE PATROL OFFICERS ON DUTY,
9:17:26AM PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE.
9:17:32AM WE THANK YOU AND THE REST OF THE OFFICERS FOR BEING ON BOARD
9:17:34AM AND KEEPING US SAFE.
9:17:36AM I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU.
9:17:38AM ONE OF THEM IS FROM THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP THAT OWNED
9:17:42AM AND OPERATED FRESH KITCHEN.
9:17:43AM THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR
9:17:46AM DINNER.
9:17:46AM ON BEHALF OF BELLABRAVA AND THE MIDTOWN SECTION, YOUR
9:17:51AM CHOICE, LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:17:54AM CHINA BISTRO.
9:17:58AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:17:59AM ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK AND ON BEHALF OF
9:18:06AM JACKSON'S BISTRO, PLEASE TAKE THE CERTIFICATES WITH YOU.
9:18:11AM COMBINATION OF LETTERS AND CERTIFICATES.
9:18:13AM ENJOY THEM.
9:18:14AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:18:14AM AGAIN, THANK YOU TO TPD AND THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE FOR BEING
9:18:17AM ON BOARD AND BEING ALERT TO HELPING SAVE AND KEEP THE REST
9:18:21AM OF THE CITY SAFE.
9:18:22AM THANK YOU.
9:18:22AM >> THANK YOU.
9:18:23AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: ON BEHALF OF A REALLY GRATEFUL CITY AND
9:18:35AM GRATEFUL TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT, WE
9:18:38AM GIVE YOU THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION FOR ALL THE
9:18:41AM WORK THAT YOU DO.
9:18:41AM WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
9:18:43AM I MEAN THAT.
9:18:44AM GOD BLESS YOU.
9:18:45AM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:18:47AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:52AM >> I APPRECIATE IT, EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT.
9:18:55AM FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TPD STAFF FOR
9:18:59AM SELECTING ME FOR THIS AWARD AND ALSO MY FAMILY THAT'S IN
9:19:04AM THROUGHOUT THE DECADE OF ME BEING A COP NOW.
9:19:07AM ALTHOUGH MY NAME IS ON THE PLAQUE TODAY FOR THIS MONTH, I'M
9:19:10AM A HUGE BELIEVER IN GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
9:19:14AM MY PAST SUPERVISORS AND MENTORS WHO COACHED ME AND ALLOWED
9:19:18AM ME TO BE IN THE POSITION I'M IN NOW.
9:19:20AM SECOND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE FRONTLINE OFFICERS WHO PUT ON
9:19:23AM THE UNIFORM EVERY DAY AND SHOW UP TO WORK AND DO THE RIGHT
9:19:26AM THING.
9:19:26AM THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE MAJORITY OF WORK AND IT IS A
9:19:29AM PRIVILEGE FOR ME TO SUPERVISE AND WORK ALONGSIDE THEM.
9:19:32AM THANK YOU.
9:19:33AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:19:42AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:19:43AM WE APPRECIATE ALL THE SACRIFICES YOU MAKE EVERY TIME YOU AND
9:19:47AM EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM PUT ON THAT UNIFORM, ESPECIALLY TO
9:19:49AM YOUR FAMILY.
9:19:51AM WE HAVE TO THANK THEM TOO.
9:19:53AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS.
9:19:55AM >> THANK YOU.
9:19:57AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, ATU.
9:20:10AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU'LL BE PRESENTING THE ATU LOCAL
9:20:51AM 1464 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
9:21:38AM AS ALWAYS, VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE SUPPORTING ONE OF MY
9:21:42AM KINDRED SPIRITS IN LABOR, WORKING HERE TO HONOR THE ATU
9:21:46AM EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
9:21:47AM I'D LIKE TO START IT OFF WITH RECOGNIZING MY GOOD FRIEND,
9:21:50AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL ATU CHAPTER, SIMON, KICK IT OFF.
9:21:54AM >> THANK YOU.
9:21:54AM GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:21:57AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND GOOD MORNING CITY OF TAMPA.
9:22:00AM I'M STEVE SIMON.
9:22:02AM I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION LOCAL
9:22:07AM 1464, AND WE KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
9:22:09AM I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE
9:22:12AM ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, MR. DARRYL RUSSELL -- OH,
9:22:16AM REDMOND.
9:22:20AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:22:20AM DARRYL IS A UTILITY TECH FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WITH
9:22:28AM 27-PLUS YEARS OF SERVICE, A VETERAN.
9:22:33AM MR. REDMOND NOTICED A YOUNG WOMAN WHO WAS LAYING ON THE
9:22:38AM GROUND AND IN DISTRESS JUST LAST MONTH WHILE SWEEPING THE
9:22:42AM BIKE PATHS IN BRUCE B. DOWNS IN NEW TAMPA.
9:22:45AM SHE TOLD HIM THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS, THAT SHE
9:22:49AM HAD BEEN ROBBED AND POSSIBLY ASSAULTED BECAUSE HER CLOTHING
9:22:54AM WAS TATTERED AND SHE HAD BRUISES ALL OVER HER BODY.
9:22:58AM MR. REDMOND MADE AN EFFORT TO CONSOLE HER BEFORE PHONING THE
9:23:05AM HIS ACTION ON THAT DAY SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR HIS PERSONALITY AS
9:23:09AM WELL AS HIS CHARACTER.
9:23:10AM HIS ACT OF HUMANITY IS WELL DESERVING OF THIS RECOGNITION
9:23:15AM AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
9:23:19AM ITS RESIDENTS.
9:23:20AM AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO TO PARTICIPATE IN KEEPING
9:23:25AM THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING AND ON BEHALF OF ATU LOCAL 1464, I
9:23:31AM WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS AWARD.
9:23:35AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:35AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:23:43AM >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.
9:23:44AM SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE ATU UNION OUTDOES US IN THE
9:23:52AM QUALITY AND THE PIZAZZ OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS AS
9:23:56AM HEARTFELT AS IT GETS.
9:23:59AM I'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
9:24:01AM AND CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO A COMMENDATION ON YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS
9:24:05AM AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
9:24:06AM EVERYTHING THAT PRESIDENT SIMON SAID.
9:24:11AM ABOVE AND BEYOND.
9:24:12AM A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE MANY EMPLOYEES YOU STAND UP HERE WITH
9:24:17AM BUT I KNOW YOU REPRESENT A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN
9:24:20AM YOUR ORGANIZATION AND KEEP TAMPA MOVING.
9:24:21AM ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE
9:24:23AM PRESENT YOU WITH THIS COMMENDATION.
9:24:33AM >> IF I CAN READ A PORTION OF THE LETTER FROM THE MAYOR.
9:24:36AM DEAR DARRYL, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE
9:24:41AM AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR YOUR
9:24:45AM PROFESSIONALISM, STRONG WORK ETHICS, ENTHUSIASM, AND FOR
9:24:48AM GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN ALL ASPECTS IN YOUR POSITION AS A
9:24:52AM UTILITY TECHNICIAN.
9:24:53AM YOU HAVE EARNED THE RESPECT OF YOUR SUPERIORS, PEERS, AND
9:24:58AM COMMUNITY AS AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS WELL KNOWN FOR YOUR STRONG
9:25:01AM CHARACTER AND WORK ETHIC, YOU ARE AN ASSET AND INTEGRAL PART
9:25:05AM OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND CITY OF TAMPA'S MISSION OF
9:25:08AM PROVIDING SUPERIOR SERVICES.
9:25:10AM YOUR DEDICATION AND OUTSTANDING POSITIVE ATTITUDE MAKE YOU
9:25:14AM HIGHLY DESERVING OF THIS RECOGNITION.
9:25:16AM YOU ARE ADMIRED, WELL-RESPECTED AND SET A SHINING EXAMPLE
9:25:20AM FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.
9:25:21AM IT IS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU, DARRYL, THAT MAKE ME PROUD TO
9:25:24AM SERVE AS MAYOR.
9:25:25AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE, SINCERELY, MAYOR
9:25:29AM JANE.
9:25:32AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:25:35AM >> DARRYL AND YOUR OTHER BROTHER DARRYL, I THINK THERE ARE
9:25:38AM PEOPLE --
9:25:39AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:25:39AM -- FOR ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS,
9:25:44AM PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOUR
9:25:50AM ACHIEVEMENTS.
9:25:53AM >> MIKE McARTHUR.
9:25:55AM CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
9:25:57AM THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
9:26:00AM KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.
9:26:01AM TAKE TIME OFF ON BEHALF OF STEPP'S TOWING, GO TO DINNER AND
9:26:06AM ENJOY IT.
9:26:08AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:26:12AM BEHALF OF STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS, PLEASE ENJOY
9:26:16AM A NIGHT OUT WITH A GUEST TO A BROADWAY SHOW AND THANK YOU
9:26:20AM FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR GREAT CITY.
9:26:22AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:26:26AM JILL WITECKI WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
9:26:28AM IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF FAMILY STANDING HERE WITH
9:26:31AM YOU.
9:26:32AM PLEASE BRING THEM DOWN, TREAT THEM TO A MOVIE.
9:26:34AM ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO THE MOVIE PALACE.
9:26:38AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:40AM >> GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
9:26:46AM 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
9:26:47AM WE WANT YOU TO ENJOY YOURSELF OUT AT RESTAURANTS.
9:26:58AM PROTECTING TAMPA.
9:26:59AM >> THANK YOU.
9:27:02AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:04AM >> YOUR STORY IS REMARKABLE.
9:27:06AM WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY IS -- I'M A BEHIND-THE-SCENES GUY,
9:27:11AM TOO.
9:27:11AM I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO, THE SACRIFICES YOU AND YOUR
9:27:14AM FAMILY GIVE IS COMMENDABLE.
9:27:16AM ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
9:27:19AM WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION.
9:27:20AM ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
9:27:22AM YOU DEFINITELY DESERVE IT.
9:27:27AM THANK YOU.
9:27:27AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:31AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:27:32AM I'M MARY LOU BAILEY.
9:27:34AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:27:34AM HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.
9:27:37AM >> MARK HANEY WITH ZOO TAMPA.
9:27:38AM WE HAVE A DAY AT THE ZOO FOR YOU WITH PASSES.
9:27:41AM THIS IS A WALLABY, A SPECIES OF KANGAROO.
9:27:45AM INTERESTING THING ABOUT KANGAROO, THEY ARE THE ONLY ANIMAL
9:27:48AM THAT CAN'T WALK BACKWARDS.
9:27:49AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:27:54AM FORWARD.
9:27:54AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
9:27:56AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:28:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERY THURSDAY WE DO THE PRESENTATION,
9:28:04AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTS TO SEE THE ANIMAL.
9:28:08AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: LAST THING I HEARD IS SHE WANTED ONE.
9:28:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, A REAL WALLABY.
9:28:14AM >> STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
9:28:17AM FOLKS.
9:28:18AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION.
9:28:20AM ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF CRIME PREVENTION IS KEEPING YOUR
9:28:23AM EYES AND EARS OPEN WHILE OUT THERE ON THE STREET.
9:28:26AM THAT ENFORCES A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IT HELPS THE
9:28:29AM POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF MORE EYES OUT THERE
9:28:34AM TRYING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
9:28:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING IN AND DOING THAT.
9:28:37AM ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, WE'LL GIVE YOU A
9:28:42AM GIFT CERTIFICATE AND ENJOY YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:28:45AM ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, YOU HEARD ME SPEAK
9:28:49AM ABOUT THEM EARLIER, BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER, JACKSON'S
9:28:53AM BISTRO OUT ON HARBOUR ISLAND, GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR LUNCH OR
9:29:02AM DINNER.
9:29:02AM BELLABRAVA IN MIDTOWN, AGAIN, LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:29:05AM AND HERE ARE YOUR GIFT CERTIFICATES.
9:29:07AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:29:10AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:29:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO HUNGRY AND YOU WILL
9:29:14AM BE ENTERTAINED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
9:29:16AM THAT'S GOOD.
9:29:16AM NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO CHAIRMAN
9:29:19AM MANISCALCO.
9:29:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
9:29:21AM OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM HERE SUPPORTING YOU.
9:29:24AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
9:29:25AM WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY PROUD OF YOU AND APPRECIATIVE.
9:29:28AM YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOODIES THERE.
9:29:30AM THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES YOU.
9:29:32AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:29:33AM >> NO PROBLEM.
9:29:34AM THANK YOU.
9:29:34AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:29:56AM >> I FEEL LIKE I WAS DOING WHAT ANYBODY SHOULD HAVE DONE.
9:29:59AM LIKE YOU SAID, KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS OUT
9:30:02AM OF THE ORDINARY AND NOTIFY SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO SOMETHING
9:30:07AM ABOUT IT.
9:30:08AM I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR BETTER.
9:30:11AM ALWAYS DO WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
9:30:13AM DO THE RIGHT THING.
9:30:15AM >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
9:30:16AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:30:22AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
9:30:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:30:23AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE PRESENTING THE FIREFIGHTER OF THE
9:30:51AM QUARTER.
9:30:52AM TODAY IS ALSO A SPECIAL DAY BECAUSE IT IS UNION PRESIDENT
9:30:55AM NICK STOCCO'S BIRTHDAY.
9:30:57AM HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
9:30:59AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
9:31:06AM IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE HERE TODAY, SIR.
9:31:08AM GOOD TO SEE YOU, TO PRESENT THE FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER,
9:31:15AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION TO A VERY NICE GENTLEMAN,
9:31:17AM CAPTAIN RUSS ROBERTS WHO IS ALWAYS VERY, VERY INVOLVED.
9:31:20AM AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS DO A LOT OF CIVIC
9:31:24AM AND COMMUNITY ENDEAVORS AND ALWAYS SEE CAPTAIN ROBERTS AT
9:31:27AM MANY, INCLUDING THE CAMP HOPETAKE, AMONG MANY OTHERS.
9:31:32AM EVERY TIME I SEE HIM, HE HAS A BIG SMILE AND ALWAYS WITH HIS
9:31:35AM FAMILY.
9:31:36AM HE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON.
9:31:37AM HERE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS HONOREE IS TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
9:31:41AM CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP.
9:31:43AM MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
9:31:47AM FIRE CHIEF, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
9:31:49AM THIS MORNING I WANT TO INTRODUCE AND I'M DEFINITELY PROUD TO
9:31:55AM ANNOUNCE CAPTAIN RUSS ROBERTS AS OUR FIREFIGHTER OF THE
9:31:57AM QUARTER.
9:31:58AM WITH 18 YEARS OF SERVICE AT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, CAPTAIN
9:32:02AM ROBERTS HAS HELD THE POSITION OF FIREFIGHTER, PARAMEDIC,
9:32:05AM LIEUTENANT, CAPTAIN, AND HE ALSO IS ACTING DISTRICT CHIEF.
9:32:08AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS IS A DEDICATED LEADER AND COMMUNITY
9:32:13AM ADVOCATE.
9:32:14AM FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS, CAPTAIN ROBERTS HAS BEEN A SUPPORT OF
9:32:17AM THE MOFFITT CANCER PROGRAM CALLED CURE ON WHEELS.
9:32:21AM THIS PROGRAM HAS RAISED HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
9:32:24AM FOR CANCER RESEARCH AND CURE THROUGH CYCLING EVENTS.
9:32:28AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS PERSONALLY PARTICIPATES IN AN ANNUAL
9:32:31AM 164-MILE ROUND TRIP RIDE TO ORLANDO EVERY YEAR AS WELL AS
9:32:36AM 325-MILE CYCLE RIDE TO TALLAHASSEE OVER A THREE-DAY PERIOD.
9:32:41AM FOLLOWING HIS PASSION FOR CYCLING, FUND-RAISING, AND
9:32:44AM COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, CAPTAIN ROBERTS FOUNDED AN EVENT
9:32:47AM CALLED RIDE TO THE RESCUE.
9:32:48AM THIS ROAD CYCLING EVENT IS HELD ANNUALLY WITH INCLUSION
9:32:53AM OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL CYCLING SKILL SETS FROM TRAINING
9:32:55AM WHEELS TO TRIATHLETES.
9:32:57AM THIS EVENT GENERATES FUNDS FOR THE TAMPA FIREMEN BENEVOLENT
9:33:03AM ASSOCIATION TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL HELP TO FIREFIGHTERS'
9:33:07AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS' POSITION WITH THE FBA ALSO ALLOWS HIM TO
9:33:12AM STAY ENGAGED AND INVOLVED WITH EVENTS THAT SUPPORT MEMBERS
9:33:15AM OF THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE COMMUNITY.
9:33:17AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS COORDINATES AND SUPPORTS SEVERAL CHARITY
9:33:21AM EVENTS TO INCLUDE FIGHT FOR AIR CLIMB WHICH IS HELD DOWNTOWN
9:33:24AM TAMPA AND CAPTAIN ROBERTS COMMIT TIMES AND MONETARY SUPPORT
9:33:28AM TO INTERCITY YOUTH TRAVEL BASEBALL TEAMS.
9:33:31AM THIS TEAM IS COACHED BY TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL AS POLICE
9:33:34AM OFFICERS.
9:33:35AM THROUGH FINANCIAL SUPPORT BY THE TAMPA FIREMEN'S BENEVOLENT
9:33:40AM ASSOCIATION, THIS TEAM HAS UNIFORMS, EQUIPMENT, AND TRAVEL
9:33:43AM EXPENSES COVERED FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
9:33:46AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN TRAVELING TO ATTEND THE
9:33:50AM GAMES WHICH HE WATCHED DEVELOP AS A TEAM, CREATING LIFELONG
9:33:55AM VALUABLE MEMORIES AND LESSONS LEARNED ALONG THE WAY.
9:33:58AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS PRIDES HIMSELF AS A ROLE MODEL FILLED WITH
9:34:02AM POSITIVITY AND A LOVE FOR HIS COMMUNITY.
9:34:04AM CAPTAIN ROBERTS IS COMMITTED TO HIS JOB, HIS FAMILY, AND
9:34:08AM COMMUNITY IS THE REASON WHY HE EXEMPLIFIES THE VALUE OF
9:34:15AM TAMPA FIREFIGHTER.
9:34:16AM WE ARE PROUD TO HONOR CAPTAIN RUSS ROBERTS AS THE TAMPA FIRE
9:34:19AM RESCUE FIREFIGHTER OF THE THIRD QUARTER.
9:34:21AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:34:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, CHIEF.
9:34:34AM INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO HONOR YOU
9:34:37AM STARTING WITH THE BIRTHDAY BOY.
9:34:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC
9:34:46AM AND CITY STAFF.
9:34:47AM IT'S NOT MY BIRTHDAY.
9:34:50AM THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S Facebook.
9:34:52AM TODAY WE'RE HERE TO HONOR CAPTAIN RUSS ROBERTS, FIREFIGHTER
9:34:54AM OF THE QUARTER.
9:34:56AM CHIEF DELIVERED AN EXCEPTIONAL MESSAGE, EVERYTHING THE CHIEF
9:34:59AM SAID WE FULLY SUPPORT.
9:35:00AM CAPTAIN RUSS ROBERTS AS YOU'LL SEE BEHIND ME, SEVERAL
9:35:03AM FIREFIGHTERS, WHETHER IN PLAIN CLOTHES OR UNIFORM, THEY ARE
9:35:07AM HERE BECAUSE OF THE INFLUENTIAL AND LEADERSHIP OF CAPTAIN
9:35:10AM RUSS ROBERTS.
9:35:10AM HE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL LEADER, FILLED WITH POSITIVITY AND HE
9:35:14AM BRINGS EVERYONE TOGETHER EVEN WHEN TIMES ARE DOWN.
9:35:17AM ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS, WE WOULD LIKE TO AWARD
9:35:20AM YOU WITH THIS AND CONGRATULATIONS, BROTHER.
9:35:23AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:35:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CHAIR, ERIN HANSON, TAMPA FIRE
9:35:32AM RESCUE.
9:35:32AM NEARLY 18 YEARS, I'VE GOTTEN TO WORK WITH THIS GENTLEMAN,
9:35:38AM WATCH HIM GROW.
9:35:41AM STORIES AND STORIES.
9:35:46AM FAMILY, BUT THE COMMUNITY THAT HE SERVES, DEDICATED
9:35:50AM COUNTLESS HOURS TO SERVING OTHERS WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF
9:35:53AM LEAVING THINGS WAY BETTER THAN HE ORIGINALLY FOUND THEM.
9:35:56AM RUSS EPITOMIZES THE TRUEST FORM AND DEFINITION OF SERVICE
9:36:00AM AND SACRIFICE WITH A FAMILY THAT UNDERSTANDS THE SAME.
9:36:03AM EACH ONE OF THEM THEIR OWN UNIQUE SUPERHERO.
9:36:06AM IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE CAPTAIN ROBERTS AS A FELLOW
9:36:09AM MEMBER OF THE FIREMEN'S BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION AND TAMPA
9:36:13AM FIRE RESCUE.
9:36:13AM BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S AN HONOR TO CALL HIM MY FRIEND.
9:36:17AM WITH HIM, GIVE HIM THIS PLAQUE, FIREFIGHTER OF THE THIRD
9:36:22AM QUARTER.
9:36:22AM WELL DESERVED.
9:36:23AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:36:30AM >> GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
9:36:32AM 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
9:36:34AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE IN TAMPA AND MAKING SUCH AN
9:36:37AM IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:36:38AM TO THANK YOU, WE WANT YOU TO ENJOY DINNER WITH YOUR
9:36:42AM BEAUTIFUL FAMILY, FLAMENCO SHOW, COLUMBIA, ULELE, ANYWHERE
9:36:46AM YOU LIKE.
9:36:47AM CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:36:50AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:36:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:36:55AM PERFORMING ARTS.
9:36:56AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
9:36:58AM PLEASE ACCEPT TICKETS TO, BY THE WAY, CALLED THE BOY WHO
9:37:03AM LOVED BATMAN, SO YOU ARE A BATMAN.
9:37:05AM THE SHOW AT THE STRAZ CENTER FOR YOU AND A GUEST.
9:37:09AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:37:10AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:37:11AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:37:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:37:15AM JILL WITECKI WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
9:37:17AM BEING A WORKING PARENT IS ALWAYS AN ADVENTURE, ISN'T IT?
9:37:21AM THESE KIDS ARE SEEING THE GOOD THAT YOU DO AND THAT'S NO
9:37:23AM SMALL THING.
9:37:24AM PLEASE BRING ALL OF THEM.
9:37:26AM ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO TAMPA THEATRE.
9:37:28AM GREAT FAMILY PROGRAMMING COMING UP AND LOVE TO SEE YOU
9:37:30AM THERE.
9:37:31AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:37:34AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:37:36AM CONGRATULATIONS, CAPTAIN ROBERTS.
9:37:37AM EVAN BROWNSTEIN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CASPERS FAMILY.
9:37:41AM AND OUR FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
9:37:43AM OXFORD EXCHANGE -- WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TAKE YOUR FAMILY
9:37:47AM TO BREAKFAST, LUNCH, BRUNCH, DINNER AT ONE OF OUR
9:37:51AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:37:53AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:37:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:37:56AM MARY LOU BAILEY HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA BOARD.
9:38:00AM >> MARK HANEY WITH THE ZOO.
9:38:01AM >> WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
9:38:03AM GREAT TO KNOW NOT ONLY AN OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONAL BUT HOW
9:38:07AM MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IS AWESOME.
9:38:09AM GREAT EXAMPLE FOR YOUR FAMILY.
9:38:11AM THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR SHARING YOU WITH ALL OF US.
9:38:14AM WE PRESENTED WITH YOU AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO THE ZOO.
9:38:17AM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN ENJOY IN GOOD HEALTH AND HOPEFULLY
9:38:20AM YOU LOVE ANIMALS AS MUCH AS WE DO.
9:38:23AM >> I'M PARTICULARLY GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU DO IN RAISING
9:38:26AM MONEY FOR DIFFERENT NONPROFIT GROUPS.
9:38:28AM ANYTHING THE ZOO CAN DO TO HELP YOU, WE CAN PROVIDE GIFT
9:38:32AM BASKETS.
9:38:33AM JUST LET US KNOW.
9:38:36AM >> MR. HANEY, WHAT ANIMAL?
9:38:39AM >> THAT IS A SPOTTED EAGLE RAY.
9:38:42AM THEY ARE REALLY COOL.
9:38:48AM WE OPENED UP OUR STINGRAY HABITAT.
9:38:52AM YOU CAN COME AND PET THE STINGRAYS.
9:38:55AM IT IS A GREAT NEW EXPERIENCE.
9:39:00AM GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.
9:39:01AM THANK YOU.
9:39:02AM YOUR STORY IS REMARKABLE.
9:39:04AM ESPECIALLY YOUR PHILANTHROPIC EFFORTS.
9:39:06AM MUCH APPRECIATE THE SACRIFICE THAT YOUR FAMILY HAS.
9:39:09AM WE GOT YOUR INFORMATION A LITTLE LATE.
9:39:11AM A LITTLE FUMBLE ON OUR END.
9:39:14AM BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
9:39:17AM PRESENT YOU A GAME BALL.
9:39:18AM YOU GET AN ADDED BONUS.
9:39:20AM COME DOWN TO ONE BUC WITH YOUR FAMILY, CAN'T FORGET GRANDMA
9:39:23AM AND GRANDPA, AND HAVE A LITTLE TOUR AND THEN YOU'LL GET YOUR
9:39:27AM REAL BALL.
9:39:28AM THIS IS A GENERIC ONE RIGHT NOW.
9:39:29AM THIS IS ALL MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
9:39:31AM I WOULD LOVE TO SET THAT UP THROUGH THERE AND MAKE A MEMORY
9:39:34AM FOR YOU GUYS.
9:39:35AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:39:40AM >> MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
9:39:43AM AMAZING STORY.
9:39:45AM AMAZING SUPPORTING CAST.
9:39:46AM AMAZING CHIEF FROM THE BEST FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY
9:39:50AM IN MY OPINION.
9:39:50AM CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
9:39:53AM BEHALF OF STEPP'S TOWING, ENJOY DINNER ON US.
9:39:57AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'LL
9:39:59AM SEE YOU AT THE BANQUET.
9:40:01AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:40:01AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:40:06AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: I WANT TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
9:40:08AM WHAT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE DO.
9:40:11AM IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE POLICE OFFICER THAT WAS ON PATROL
9:40:17AM CALLING TAMPA FIRE TO GET THERE, ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT
9:40:21AM YOU SEE ADJACENT TO THIS RESTAURANT WOULD HAVE BEEN BURNED
9:40:23AM DOWN.
9:40:24AM AND ESPECIALLY IN HYDE PARK WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE IN
9:40:27AM CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, THEY AVOIDED A VERY LARGE
9:40:33AM DISASTER THAT COULD HAVE OCCURRED HERE.
9:40:35AM I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE
9:40:37AM RESCUE AND TAMPA FIRE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AGAIN,
9:40:41AM PROVIDE YOU -- THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THESE FOLKS ARE
9:40:44AM DEDICATED TO PROVIDING YOU WITH GIFT CERTIFICATES BECAUSE WE
9:40:47AM APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY.
9:40:48AM ON BEHALF OF JACKSON'S BISTRO, PROVIDING WITH YOU A GIFT
9:40:53AM CERTIFICATE, ENJOY YOURSELF THERE, LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:40:55AM ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET, WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT
9:41:00AM CERTIFICATE, LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:41:02AM YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO.
9:41:07AM AND THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR FIRE
9:41:13AM RESCUE FOR SAVING THE BUILDING.
9:41:14AM THANK GOD THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.
9:41:16AM THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF WORK, BUT WE'LL TRY TO FIX
9:41:19AM THAT.
9:41:20AM ON BEHALF OF BELLABRAVA, WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT
9:41:23AM CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF.
9:41:24AM AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE.
9:41:26AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:41:27AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE YOU GO, BUDDY.
9:41:38AM YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS TO YOUR OLD MAN?
9:41:40AM ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY, SIR, IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE
9:41:43AM FOR YOUR SON TO GIVE YOU A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:41:46AM GIVE IT TO YOUR POPS.
9:41:47AM THERE YOU GO.
9:41:48AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:54AM >> WOW.
9:41:55AM THANK YOU.
9:41:57AM ONLY BAD NEWS MY SPEECH IS A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE OTHER
9:42:02AM ONES.
9:42:03AM I APOLOGIZE, BUT THREE MINUTES TOPS, I PROMISE.
9:42:06AM I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.
9:42:09AM I DO MEAN YOU ALL.
9:42:17AM SISTERS AND FIREMEN BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION AND THEIR
9:42:20AM MEMBERS, MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS ROOM, AND I DO MEAN ALL OF
9:42:23AM THE COMMUNITY IN THIS ROOM.
9:42:26AM TO MY CREW AT STATION 15B WHO HELPS ME BE A BETTER ME AND
9:42:30AM MAKES MY JOB OF BEING A SUPERVISOR SMOOTH SAILING AS A
9:42:34AM RUBBER DUCKY IN A BUBBLE BATH WITH EXTRA SUDS.
9:42:39AM AWARDS BANQUET STAFF AND BOARD, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE
9:42:42AM ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ON THAT OUR LEADER, CHIEF BARBARA
9:42:45AM TRIPP.
9:42:45AM I CAN HUMBLY SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESTIGIOUS AWARD AND IT
9:42:50AM MEANS THE WORLD TO ME.
9:42:51AM IT'S NOT JUST A LINE.
9:42:52AM IT TRULY FILLS ME WITH PRIDE BECAUSE I LIVE MY LIFE THE SAME
9:42:56AM WAY I LIVE THIS JOB.
9:42:58AM I CARE.
9:42:58AM I WANT TO CARE.
9:43:00AM I DO CARE.
9:43:01AM IT WOULD BE NORMAL TO EXPLAIN THE CHARITIES I HAVE DONE OR
9:43:06AM THE OTHER INSTANCES THAT HAVE BROUGHT ME TO THIS PODIUM.
9:43:08AM IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO TELL YOU WHY I DO SUCH
9:43:12AM PHILANTHROPIC AND MY BACKGROUND AND HOW I STARTED IN IT BUT
9:43:15AM THEN YOU WOULDN'T GET TO REALLY KNOW ME, THE FIREFIGHTER OF
9:43:17AM THE QUARTER THAT YOU HAVE HONORED TODAY.
9:43:19AM SO I WILL TAKE THIS TIME TO -- WHO MAKES HER STAY UP AT
9:43:31AM HER OWN SO I CAN DO WHAT I SWORE TO DO 18 YEARS AGO.
9:43:35AM KNOWING THAT I AM STRIVING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
9:43:37AM AND I WILL ALWAYS MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
9:43:39AM IF IT PERMITS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY KIDS INDIVIDUALLY.
9:43:44AM DON'T WORRY, I ONLY HAVE THREE.
9:43:45AM ADDISON, YOU ARE THE REASON THAT I AM AND FOREVER BE
9:43:50AM COMPASSIONATE.
9:43:51AM YOU TAUGHT ME THAT LIFE WAS BIGGER THAN ME AND GREATLY
9:43:54AM HELPING ME IN MY CAREER.
9:43:55AM WITH THIS HONOR -- IN THIS HONORED AND REGARDED DEPARTMENT.
9:43:58AM WYATT, THANK GOD YOU ARE LIKE YOUR MOTHER.
9:44:02AM SO SMART AND SWEET.
9:44:04AM DON'T EVER CHANGE.
9:44:05AM WE COULD USE A FEW MORE BOYS LIKE YOU IN THIS WORLD.
9:44:08AM BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE AND KNOW THAT I AM PROUD OF YOU
9:44:11AM EVERY SINGLE DAY.
9:44:12AM YOU MAKE MY HEART FEEL WARM LIKE COOL RAIN ON A HOT TIN
9:44:16AM ROOF.
9:44:16AM YOU MOVE ME JUST TO LISTEN AND LOVE.
9:44:20AM EVERLY, THIS ONE COMES A LITTLE BIT AT A SERENDIPITOUS TIME.
9:44:23AM MY WIFE AND I ALMOST LOST OUR BELOVED EVERLY IN A TRAGIC
9:44:30AM ACCIDENT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
9:44:31AM I KNOW YOU CAN BARELY TELL BECAUSE THOSE BEAUTIFUL BLUE EYES
9:44:33AM ARE FLIRTING WITH EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
9:44:39AM EDUCATION PROVIDED TO ME IN THIS BENEVOLENT AND STRONG
9:44:42AM DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, I WAS ABLE TO KEEP HER AT BAY
9:44:46AM WHEN THE WORLD'S WORST NIGHTMARES WERE COMING FOR US.
9:44:49AM THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD I NOT BEEN AWARDED THE
9:44:52AM GRACIOUS OPPORTUNITY TO BE A TAMPA FIREFIGHTER.
9:44:56AM I OWE MY LIFE AND MY FAMILY TO THE CITY AND DEPARTMENT.
9:44:59AM THANK YOU FOR HONORING ME IN A WAY THAT I PROMISE TO HONOR
9:45:02AM YOU AND YOUR CITIZENS EVERY SHIFT FOR THE REST OF MY CAREER
9:45:05AM AND BEYOND.
9:45:06AM THANK YOU.
9:45:07AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:45:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:45:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S AMAZING -- WE HAVE
9:45:25AM FOLKS THAT APPRECIATE THEIR SPOUSES, BUT IT'S SO TOUCHING TO
9:45:31AM HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT EACH OF YOUR CHILDREN AND YOU COULD FEEL
9:45:33AM THE LOVE JUST FROM THE BEGINNING.
9:45:34AM I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
9:45:37AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
9:45:40AM IT CLEARLY COMES THAT THIS IS JUST A PART OF WHO YOU ARE.
9:45:44AM WE'RE THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO HONOR YOU TODAY.
9:45:46AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:45:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
9:45:49AM THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SPEECH.
9:45:51AM WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE YOU, BUT YOU'RE EVEN LUCKIER TO HAVE
9:45:57AM I'M NOT OFTEN HOME BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS WORK.
9:46:00AM SO I HAVE MY WIFE AT HOME.
9:46:03AM IT'S A WHOLE OTHER JOB.
9:46:05AM CHASING KIDS AROUND AND TAKING CARE OF THEM.
9:46:08AM WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL FOR OUR FAMILY, BUT WE'RE
9:46:10AM GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND ALL OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
9:46:12AM YOU SAID IT ALL.
9:46:13AM BEST FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE
9:46:17AM YOU.
9:46:17AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
9:46:19AM CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
9:46:20AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:21AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:46:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL GET THESE DOORS CLOSED.
9:48:05AM OKAY.
9:48:06AM MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO START IT OFF?
9:48:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:48:10AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:48:12AM WE'RE NOW AT THE POINT OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:48:15AM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE, THERE ARE SPEAKER
9:48:18AM CARDS IN THE LOBBY.
9:48:20AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THOSE
9:48:23AM WHO ARE SPEAKING HAVE FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACED
9:48:25AM IT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY.
9:48:29AM CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
9:48:33AM COMMENT.
9:48:33AM NOW, EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY
9:48:36AM NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK.
9:48:38AM A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
9:48:41AM PLEASE PRINT THOSE CARDS LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT
9:48:45AM BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
9:48:47AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, THOSE ARE SET
9:48:49AM UP ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:48:52AM AND YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN THAT ITEM IS HEARD
9:48:55AM LATER IN THE AGENDA.
9:48:57AM AND IF YOU SPEAK, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING,
9:49:00AM THERE IS A SIGN-IN SHEET SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS
9:49:03AM INSTEAD.
9:49:04AM AGAIN, IF THE PUBLIC EVER NEEDS ASSISTANCE DURING THAT TIME
9:49:07AM IN THE MORNING, THERE IS CITY STAFF OUT THERE TO ASSIST YOU.
9:49:11AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NOW WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ARE
9:49:13AM ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE
9:49:17AM AGENDA BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE
9:49:19AM ITEM.
9:49:21AM AND THAT A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS
9:49:25AM PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:49:26AM SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THEY
9:49:28AM ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING
9:49:34AM DISRUPTIVE NOISES, SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
9:49:37AM SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL
9:49:40AM ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF
9:49:44AM THE PUBLIC.
9:49:45AM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
9:49:47AM WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
9:49:50AM FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
9:49:52AM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
9:49:56AM RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
9:49:59AM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
9:50:01AM MEETING.
9:50:02AM FINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
9:50:06AM SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE
9:50:09AM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A
9:50:12AM DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:50:14AM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:50:19AM IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT DOCKET OR STAFF
9:50:22AM REPORTS, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE TIME TO SPEAK.
9:50:24AM YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING STAFF
9:50:27AM REPORTS.
9:50:27AM THANK YOU.
9:50:28AM NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE
9:50:30AM RECOGNIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
9:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:50:34AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:50:36AM I WAS ASKED TO JUST SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY.
9:50:39AM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS AND PRESS AND PHONE CALLS AND
9:50:44AM E-MAILS REGARDING A RECENT DECISION ISSUED IN THE LIBERTY
9:50:47AM HOSPITALITY CASE.
9:50:49AM LET ME JUST SAY, FIRST OF ALL, OUR OFFICE JUST RECEIVED THE
9:50:53AM ORDER.
9:50:54AM IT'S 33 PAGES.
9:50:55AM WE RECEIVED IT MONDAY.
9:50:57AM WE'RE STILL REVIEWING IT TO DETERMINE THE EXACTLY WHAT IT
9:51:01AM MEANS, WHAT ITS IMPACT IS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEP SHOULD BE.
9:51:08AM IT'S NOT FINAL.
9:51:09AM THERE IS A 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD.
9:51:11AM SO IT IS NOT A FINAL ORDER.
9:51:15AM THEREFORE IT IS PENDING LITIGATION AND WE'VE ASKED YOU NOT
9:51:18AM TO DISCUSS IT EITHER AT A PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS THIS OR
9:51:22AM WITH OTHERS IN THE PRESS OR IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE, AGAIN,
9:51:26AM IT'S NOT A FINAL MATTER YET AND WE'RE STILL IN LITIGATION.
9:51:31AM BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE LAND USE
9:51:35AM COMMUNITY OR ANYONE ELSE CONTINUES TO -- IS QUESTIONING
9:51:40AM WHETHER THE COUNCIL CAN CONTINUE TO CONDUCT HEARINGS IN A
9:51:44AM QUASI-JUDICIAL CAPACITY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S THE
9:51:49AM OPINION OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT YOU CAN AND SHOULD
9:51:54AM CONTINUE TO DO SO.
9:51:58AM AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU APPRISED ABOUT ANY
9:52:02AM CHANGES IN THE STATUS OF THE MATTER.
9:52:05AM BUT MY OFF-THE-CUFF REMARK IS EVERYONE TAKE A BREATH AND
9:52:09AM CALM DOWN.
9:52:10AM HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES, AND THAT'S TO EVERYONE TALKING
9:52:15AM ABOUT IT.
9:52:16AM NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF YOU.
9:52:19AM THANK YOU.
9:52:19AM AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN.
9:52:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:22AM OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE ANGELA ALDERMAN WYNN.
9:52:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:52:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
9:52:31AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:52:32AM >> YES.
9:52:33AM I AM ANGELA ALDERMAN WYNN.
9:52:37AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THE COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY
9:52:40AM AND THE ITALIAN CLUB.
9:52:41AM AUGUST 1 IS UPON US AND ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE NO RESULTS FROM
9:52:44AM THE SCAN PERFORMED OVER A YEAR AGO.
9:52:47AM I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE JUNE 20th CITY COUNCIL
9:52:51AM MEETING OF THE MENTION THAT A LETTER TO BE DRAFTED TO THE
9:52:54AM STATE AND STATE OFFICIALS BE OPEN -- SORRY, STATE OFFICIALS
9:52:57AM TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION TO THE ITALIAN CLUB AND COLLEGE
9:53:01AM I ASK IF COUNCIL CAN PLEASE CONSIDER DRAFTING THIS AND
9:53:05AM SENDING THIS LETTER, IF IT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE.
9:53:09AM I DO FEEL COMING FROM COUNCIL IT HOLDS GREAT SIGNIFICANCE.
9:53:13AM I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S HANDS ARE TIED WITH THE PRIVATE
9:53:16AM PROPERTY LAWS, BUT I DO FEEL THIS IS A STEP THAT COULD BE
9:53:19AM VERY HELPFUL COMING FROM COUNCIL.
9:53:21AM I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE STEPS YOU HAVE EACH TAKEN.
9:53:24AM ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE REMINDER THAT THE
9:53:27AM SEPTEMBER 19 COUNCIL MEETING IS TO BE REPORTING BACK
9:53:31AM REGARDING A SCAN AND/OR SEARCH IF IT'S FEASIBLE FOR THE
9:53:36AM RETENTION POND AREA AND SURROUNDING AREAS THAT THE CITY
9:53:39AM OWNS.
9:53:40AM I ASK THAT THE SCAN PLEASE TAKE PLACE AS IT CAN PROVIDE MANY
9:53:45AM ANSWERS.
9:53:45AM SINCE THE ITALIAN CLUB IS NOT COOPERATING.
9:53:47AM I RECENTLY LEARNED THIS WEEK THAT THE ITALIAN CLUB IS
9:53:52AM HOSTING THEIR HAVANA NIGHTS CUBA GALA ON AUGUST 24, YET THEY
9:53:57AM ARE SHOWING A COMPLETE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY TO THE ENTIRE
9:54:00AM CUBAN SECTION LOST WITHIN COLLEGE HILL, WHICH IS NOW THEIR
9:54:04AM PARKING LOT FOR THEIR FUNERALS.
9:54:06AM TO CARE SO LITTLE ABOUT THEIR DIGNITY, INCLUDING THAT OF MY
9:54:10AM GREAT UNCLE WHO WAS LOST THERE, MANY OF THE CUBANS BURIED
9:54:13AM THERE HAD LITTLE TO NO FAMILY AND WERE IMMIGRANTS HERE FROM
9:54:19AM THAT VERY CUBA THEY CHOOSE TO CELEBRATE IN A GALA TO BOAST
9:54:22AM $75 FOR MEMBERS.
9:54:24AM WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE THE -- THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT
9:54:28AM THEY PLEASE, BUT TO ME PERSONALLY, THIS SHOWS POOR TASTE
9:54:31AM CONSIDERING WHAT HAS COME TO LIGHT WITH THE COLLEGE HILL
9:54:34AM CEMETERY.
9:54:34AM IT IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED, AS YOU KNOW, THAT COLLEGE HILL
9:54:38AM CEMETERY WAS THE FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR A MAJORITY OF
9:54:41AM AFRICAN AMERICANS AND CUBANS THAT HAVE BEEN ERASED FROM
9:54:44AM HISTORY UNTIL NOW.
9:54:45AM I HOLD ON TO THE HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE CLOSURE AND ANSWERS
9:54:48AM SOON AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT THE FIGHT FOR TRUTH AND
9:54:51AM JUSTICE FOR EACH OF THEM.
9:54:53AM I WILL LEAVE WITH YOU A QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE MOST FAVORITE
9:54:55AM MEN TO EVER WALK THIS EARTH IN MY EYES.
9:54:57AM HE LED HIS QUEST WITH LOVE AND PASSION FOR HIS PEOPLE AND
9:55:00AM THE PEOPLE.
9:55:00AM HIS WORDS SPEAK TO MY SOUL OF THIS JOURNEY WITH THE LOSS TO
9:55:06AM COLLEGE HILL.
9:55:06AM ONE JUST PRINCIPLE FROM THE DEPTHS OF A CAVE IS MORE
9:55:10AM POWERFUL THAN AN ARMY.
9:55:11AM JOSE MARTI, CUBAN MARTYR AND POET.
9:55:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:55:17AM NEXT SPEAKER IS NICK STOCCO.
9:55:18AM GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:55:27AM NICK STOCCO.
9:55:29AM I DIDN'T EXPECT TO GO THIS SOON BUT THANK YOU.
9:55:35AM I WANT TO START OFF WITH A QUOTE BY JOHN 15:13, SAYS,
9:55:41AM GREATER LOVE HAS NO ONE THAN HIS THAN THIS TO LAY DOWN ONE'S
9:55:46AM LIFE FOR ONE'S FRIENDS.
9:55:48AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON A FRIEND, MORE OR LESS SERVANT, THAT'S
9:55:54AM OUR EMERITUS PRESIDENT JOE GRECO.
9:55:57AM JOE GRECO WAS A FIREFIGHTER FOR 30-PLUS YEARS, AND WE KNOW
9:56:04AM THAT QUOTE IS A FIREFIGHTER AND IS JOE GRECO.
9:56:08AM THAT THEY WOULD LAY DOWN THEIR LIFE FOR A STRANGER, NOT JUST
9:56:11AM A FRIEND.
9:56:12AM AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
9:56:13AM WE SERVE THE PUBLIC.
9:56:15AM I CAN ATTEST TO JOE GRECO'S EXCEPTIONAL QUALIFICATIONS AND
9:56:20AM HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE CITIZENS AND
9:56:23AM THE GUESTS OF CITY OF TAMPA.
9:56:25AM HIS EXPERIENCE INCLUDING HIS LEADERSHIP AS A CAPTAIN WITH
9:56:30AM THE CITY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT, PRESIDENT OF THE UNION,
9:56:34AM POSITIONS HIMSELF AS AN IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR THE CITY
9:56:39AM COUNCIL'S BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
9:56:42AM THE RECENT AMENDMENTS REGARDING RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR
9:56:47AM DEPARTMENT HEADS HAS SPARKED A BROADER CONVERSATION ON HOW
9:56:51AM WE APPROACH APPOINTMENTS.
9:56:52AM WHILE DEPARTMENT HEADS MAY NO LONGER NEED TO LIVE IN THE
9:57:00AM FINANCE COMMITTEE REMAIN UNDER YOUR PURVIEW.
9:57:02AM IT IS CRUCIAL THAT WE UPHOLD THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY
9:57:06AM COUNCIL IN MAKING THESE APPOINTMENTS RATHER THAN LIMITING IT
9:57:10AM THROUGH RESTRICTIVE RESIDENCY GUIDELINES.
9:57:14AM JOE'S SERVICE RECORD AND DEDICATION TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
9:57:18AM MAKE HIM A VALUABLE ASSET SIMPLY BECAUSE ONE LIVES IN A
9:57:22AM CERTAIN AREA SHOULD NOT LIMIT ONE'S OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD NOT
9:57:28AM LIMIT ONE'S OPPORTUNITY TO OUR CITY'S WELL-BEING.
9:57:32AM WE URGE CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT MR. GRECO'S APPOINTMENT AND
9:57:37AM DEMONSTRATE A COMMITMENT TO INCLUSIVE AND EFFECTIVE
9:57:42AM GOVERNANCE.
9:57:42AM BY DOING SO, WE NOT ONLY HONOR HIS DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO
9:57:46AM THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA RESIDENTS AND GUESTS, BUT ALSO
9:57:50AM REINFORCE THE STRENGTH AND AUTHORITY OF THE TAMPA CITY
9:57:53AM COUNCIL.
9:57:53AM JOE'S SERVICE TO THE CITY AS A UNION PRESIDENT HAS SERVED
9:57:58AM THE -- SAVED THE CITY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WITH OUR HEALTH
9:58:02AM TRUST, GROWING UP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD NOT LIMIT
9:58:04AM SOMEONE'S ABILITY ONE DAY VERSUS THE NEXT.
9:58:08AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND SUPPORT.
9:58:11AM I LOOK FORWARD TO A POSITIVE OUTCOME IN JOE GRECO SERVING
9:58:15AM OUR COMMUNITY ONCE AGAIN.
9:58:16AM THANK YOU.
9:58:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:58:23AM >> STROMSNES.
9:58:23AM I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE IT UNTIL I WAS EIGHT.
9:58:25AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:58:26AM MY NAME IS TIM STROMSNES.
9:58:30AM PRESIDENT EMERITUS OF REEDY CREEK PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS
9:58:34AM OR NOW CENTRAL FLORIDA TOURISM OVERSIGHT DISTRICT.
9:58:38AM I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF JOE GRECO.
9:58:42AM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS CHARACTER AND QUALIFICATIONS.
9:58:46AM I MET JOE IN HIS EARLY '90s WHEN WORKED FOR CITY OF
9:58:50AM ZEPHYRHILLS AND HE WORKED FOR PASCO COUNTY AS A MEDIC.
9:58:53AM YOU LEARN A LOT WHEN WORKING IN THE BACK OF A RESCUE.
9:58:58AM I BET YOU TO THIS DAY GRECO COULD QUOTE THE PROTOCOLS FOR
9:59:03AM PASCO COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
9:59:05AM IT WASN'T BECAUSE HE DID THAT BECAUSE HE WAS FOR HIMSELF.
9:59:11AM DID IT FOR THE CITIZENS.
9:59:12AM HE WANTED TO BE THE BEST FOR THE CITIZENS.
9:59:15AM JOE ALSO STOOD UP HERE WHEN HE COULD HAVE MAILED IT IN AT
9:59:22AM THE VERY END OF HIS CAREER.
9:59:27AM EAST AND NORTH TAMPA.
9:59:28AM HE DIDN'T DO THAT FOR HIMSELF.
9:59:30AM HE DID THAT FOR US, OUR FAMILIES.
9:59:34AM YOU CAN HAVE CALL VOLUME.
9:59:37AM YOU CAN HAVE STATISTICS.
9:59:38AM YOU CAN HAVE ALL THIS STUFF, BUT JOE KNEW THAT MORE RESCUES
9:59:47AM WHEN A CALL CAME IN, THERE WAS A RESCUE AVAILABLE.
9:59:49AM THE OUTCOME WAS GOING TO BE BETTER.
9:59:52AM LET'S TALK ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS JOB.
9:59:56AM I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT LIES.
10:00:00AM THIS IS A JOB, CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:00:04AM THIS IS A JOB.
10:00:07AM JOE SERVED THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 27 YEARS IN SOME OF ITS
10:00:10AM BEST TIMES AND SOME OF ITS DARKEST TIMES.
10:00:13AM WHY DO I BRING UP THE DARKEST TIMES?
10:00:15AM BECAUSE WE HAD A BILL FOR PTSD AND IT WAS GOING NOWHERE.
10:00:19AM WE HAD SOME POLITICS IN TALLAHASSEE AND IT WAS JUST DYING.
10:00:22AM JOE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF IN THIS AREA AND THAT BILL PASSED.
10:00:29AM WHEN JIMMY PATRONIS DID HIS PRESS CONFERENCE, IT WAS HERE IN
10:00:36AM TAMPA BECAUSE OF JOE'S WORK.
10:00:38AM NOT ONLY DID JOE KNOW EVERY STREET IN THE CITY, HE WENT
10:00:42AM ABOVE AND BEYOND, RODE THE BOAT, HE KNOWS EVERY PART OF
10:00:45AM TAMPA BAY.
10:00:46AM HE HAS GONE WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND.
10:00:49AM JOE ALSO STARTED THE HEALTH INSURANCE TRUST.
10:00:55AM THEY CAME TO HIM AND SAID, IT'S BECAUSE OF HIM AND NOBODY
10:00:59AM ELSE.
10:01:00AM THEY CAME TO HIM AND SAID, WE DON'T WANT THE COPS.
10:01:03AM HE SAID, NO, IF I CAN'T HAVE THE COPS I DON'T WANT TO DO IT
10:01:07AM BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING.
10:01:12AM INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:01:13AM SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS THE INSURANCE AND THE PENSION I
10:01:16AM THINK WOULD BE A GREAT HONOR FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE HIM IN
10:01:24AM TODAY.
10:01:24AM I THINK HIS SERVICE SHOWS THAT HE IS THE RIGHT GUY FOR THE
10:01:28AM JOB.
10:01:28AM I HEARD THEM SAY THAT YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT BETTER THAN WHEN
10:01:31AM YOU STARTED.
10:01:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:01:34AM >> AND HE HAS.
10:01:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:01:36AM THANK YOU.
10:01:36AM NEXT UP IS MR. BOBBY CREIGHTON FOLLOWED BY MS. VALERIE
10:01:40AM BULLOCK.
10:01:41AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:01:48AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:01:49AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:01:50AM BOBBY CREIGHTON.
10:01:52AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT I'VE TENDED TO BE
10:01:56AM VOCIFERATING ON THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WHICH IS THE ISSUE
10:02:02AM OF VACANCY AND DETERIORATING PROPERTIES IN TAMPA.
10:02:06AM THERE IS AN ITEM, I THINK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR A
10:02:10AM DEMOLITION.
10:02:11AM I TRIED MY BEST TO BE VERY THOROUGH AND METICULOUS IN
10:02:18AM THE CONTEXT OF WHAT OTHER CITIES DO.
10:02:20AM I BELIEVE FROM 2020 TO 2024, JUST ABOUT 0.2% OF CODE
10:02:25AM ENFORCEMENT CASES ARE DEMOLITION CASES, AND THAT COMES OUT
10:02:28AM TO ABOUT 230 OVER THAT FOUR-YEAR PERIOD.
10:02:33AM THE NUMBER IS SUBSTANTIAL.
10:02:34AM THE PERCENTAGE IS SMALL.
10:02:35AM THAT IS A SMALL BIT OF RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE.
10:02:38AM I THINK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR LOT UP FOR DEMOLITION, 2705
10:02:43AM PALIFOX.
10:02:45AM IT'S AT THE END OF A DEAD-END STREET, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT
10:02:48AM TO A PARK.
10:02:49AM I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LOT AFTER THE BUILDING IS
10:02:52AM DEMOLISHED.
10:02:53AM RIGHT NOW IT IS DETERIORATED.
10:02:54AM IT'S BOARDED UP.
10:02:55AM DOES IT BECOME AN EMPTY LOT WHERE PEOPLE DUMP TRASH?
10:02:59AM A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HANG OUT AND SELL DRUGS?
10:03:02AM THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX AND LAYERED ISSUE THAT WILL TAKE A
10:03:05AM COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH FOR MULTIPLE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO BE
10:03:08AM ABLE TO TACKLE.
10:03:09AM I'VE DONE MY BEST TO RESEARCH THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS CITY
10:03:13AM TRIES TO STRATEGICALLY MANAGE THIS ISSUE.
10:03:17AM ANSWER TO THAT HAS BEEN A BIT ELUSIVE.
10:03:22AM TRY TO CONTINUE THE RESEARCH AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE PEOPLE
10:03:26AM I COME TO THIS FROM A RACIAL JUSTICE ANGLE.
10:03:29AM IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, IF YOU KNOW
10:03:33AM THE HISTORY OF THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES, IT'S NOT A
10:03:37AM COINCIDENCE THAT THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS TEND TO APPEAR IN
10:03:40AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY DO IN OUR CITY.
10:03:41AM I THINK THAT IS AN INJUSTICE AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY
10:03:43AM SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO IN A STRATEGIC WAY.
10:03:46AM THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT I FOUND TO BE INCREDIBLY
10:03:51AM HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING THIS PROBLEM.
10:03:53AM THEY OFFER VARIOUS SOLUTIONS, OFFER TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.
10:03:58AM THEY WORK WITH MANY CITIES.
10:03:59AM CALLED THE CENTER FOR COMMUNITY PROGRESS.
10:04:01AM I'LL READ SOME OF THEIR PUBLICATIONS SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF
10:04:05AM WHAT THEY DO.
10:04:05AM PROGRESS POINTS -- TANGLED TITLE LEAD TO PROPERTY VACANCY,
10:04:11AM ABANDONMENT AND DETERIORATION.
10:04:13AM PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT OF VACANT PROPERTIES, STRATEGIES FOR
10:04:18AM COORDINATING WITH REGIONAL LAND IMPROVEMENT CORPORATION.
10:04:22AM THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
10:04:24AM THEY ARE POLICY EXPERTS IN THIS.
10:04:27AM ANYBODY WANTS TO LEARN MORE, CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE.
10:04:29AM ONE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY.
10:04:31AM IT'S STARTING TO SLIP MY MIND.
10:04:33AM I MIGHT HAVE TO LET IT GO.
10:04:40AM HAVING AN INTEREST IN SUPPORTING MAKING SOME ADVANCEMENTS ON
10:04:43AM THIS ISSUE.
10:04:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:04:45AM NEXT UP IS MS. VALERIE BULLOCK FOLLOWED BY MR. JAMES SHAW.
10:04:53AM >> HI.
10:04:54AM I'M VALERIE BULLOCK.
10:04:56AM GOOD MORNING.
10:04:56AM I WAS SITTING BACK THERE AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THESE
10:05:01AM CEMETERIES AND HOW EVERY TIME IT'S A CEMETERY OR SOMETHING
10:05:06AM THAT'S RAN OVER, NEGLECTED, BLATANTLY DISRESPECTED.
10:05:11AM IT HAVE TO BE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
10:05:14AM AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, OH, WE MADE A MISTAKE.
10:05:18AM IT'S DONE INTENTIONALLY AND STRATEGICALLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO
10:05:23AM -- THE POWER THAT BE THINK THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOICE TO SAY
10:05:28AM ANYTHING ABOUT IT, SO WE JUST SHOVE THIS DOWN THEY THROAT.
10:05:33AM AND IF THEY CATCH IT QUICK ENOUGH, WE'LL STOP.
10:05:35AM IF NOT, THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO BUSINESS.
10:05:40AM AND IT HAVE TO STOP.
10:05:41AM IF TAMPA IS GOING TO BE THE PROGRESSIVE CITY THAT YOU ALL
10:05:45AM DESIRE FOR IT TO BE, YOU MUST TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME.
10:05:50AM IT CAN'T BE PRIVILEGED PEOPLE OVER HERE, THE HAVE-NOTS OVER
10:05:53AM HERE AND THE OLD-TIME FAMILIES OVER HERE.
10:05:57AM WE HAVE TO ALL BE LOOKED AT AS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TAMPA.
10:06:00AM AND WE HAVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY NO MATTER
10:06:06AM AND UNTIL THAT HAPPEN, TAMPA WILL BE THE SAME AS IT IS NOW.
10:06:11AM IT WILL TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD AND FIVE STEPS BACKWARDS.
10:06:15AM I REMEMBER IN THE '60s, I WAS A YOUNG GIRL, PROBABLY NINE
10:06:20AM YEARS OLD, MELVIN GOT KILLED ON 22nd STREET.
10:06:26AM YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID IN COLLEGE HILL AND PONCE De LEON, WE
10:06:30AM RAISED SO MUCH HELL THE TPD HAD TO GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO
10:06:34AM TALK BEFORE THE CONGRESS FOR HOW THEY WERE TREATING US.
10:06:38AM AND LAWS WERE PASSED AND THINGS GOT A LITTLE BETTER.
10:06:42AM BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE SEEM TO BE BACKTRACKING.
10:06:46AM AND THAT IS NOT GOOD.
10:06:49AM IT'S NOT GOOD WHATSOEVER.
10:06:50AM YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE THAN ME, BUT YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME.
10:06:54AM AND UNTIL WE LEARN THAT AND WE TREAT EVERYBODY LIKE THEY ARE
10:07:00AM SOMEBODY AND THEY HAVE VALUE, WE'RE NOT GOING NOWHERE.
10:07:04AM WE'RE LIKE THE RAT, RUNNING ON THE TREADMILL OVER AND OVER
10:07:08AM AND OVER.
10:07:08AM AND IT HAVE TO CHANGE.
10:07:10AM IT HURTS MY HEART THAT ALL THE CEMETERIES I SEE, WHY IT
10:07:17AM CAN'T BE ST. LAWRENCE, CEMETERY THAT SOMEBODY BUILD OVER.
10:07:23AM WHY COULDN'T IT BE THAT ONE?
10:07:24AM WHY IT HAVE TO BE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS AND
10:07:28AM THEN WHEN WE DO FIND OUT THAT IT IS A PROBLEM, WE'RE GOING
10:07:32AM TO PUT A PLAQUE THERE OR MAKE A DOGGY PARK THERE, THAT IS
10:07:37AM NOT THE ANSWER.
10:07:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:07:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:42AM NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. JAMES SHAW FOLLOWED BY MRS. STEPHANIE
10:07:47AM POYNOR.
10:07:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:07:49AM JAMES SHAW.
10:07:49AM I WILL I HAVE IN WEST TAMPA.
10:07:51AM I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE ACLU OF FLORIDA.
10:07:56AM I WON'T REPEAT THE LEGAL ANALYSIS I SENT TO YOU ALREADY IN
10:07:59AM WRITING ON ITEM NUMBER 55, BUT I DO WANT TO DEBUNK SOME OF
10:08:02AM THE BAD TALKING POINTS THAT I'VE HEARD BOUNCING AROUND THE
10:08:06AM CRB ISSUE.
10:08:07AM FIRST OFF, CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD, THE MIAMI
10:08:10AM CIVILIAN INVESTIGATORY PANEL HAS NOT, IN FACT, BEEN SHUT
10:08:14AM DOWN.
10:08:14AM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF HB 601 WAS JULY 1.
10:08:20AM I CONFIRMED AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK THAT THEY ARE STILL UP
10:08:22AM AND RUNNING.
10:08:23AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM BUT IT IS NOT
10:08:29AM CORRECT.
10:08:29AM SECOND, OUR CRB IS EFFECTIVE.
10:08:31AM IF I WERE TO TELL YOU, IT PROVIDES SUNLIGHT.
10:08:34AM THE RECORDS THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING ARE PUBLIC RECORDS THAT
10:08:39AM IN THEORY ANYONE COULD DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT, BUT REALITY
10:08:47AM STANDING COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS THEM AND TALKS ABOUT THEM
10:08:50AM AND THE RECORDING OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS IS PUT UP ON
10:08:54AM YouTube FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
10:08:55AM OFFICERS ARE LESS LIKELY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WON'T STAND
10:08:58AM THE LIGHT OF DAY IF THEY KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE LIGHT OF
10:09:00AM DAY.
10:09:01AM THERE WILL BE SUNLIGHT ON IT.
10:09:02AM THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WON'T STAND THE
10:09:06AM LIGHT OF DAY IF THEY KNOW IT WILL STAY IN THE DARK.
10:09:08AM NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THIS INTERNAL
10:09:11AM INVESTIGATION.
10:09:12AM IF I WERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALL THEY DO
10:09:15AM IS FIRE PREVENTION, MAN.
10:09:16AM THEY HAVEN'T PUT OUT A FIRE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, LET'S
10:09:19AM DISSOLVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WAS A
10:09:22AM STUPID ARGUMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IF THERE HASN'T
10:09:26AM BEEN A FIRE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
10:09:28AM ANOTHER THING THAT THE CRB DOES THAT HB 601 DOESN'T EVEN
10:09:32AM ARGUABLY TOUCH IS THEY WEIGH IN ON HIRING DECISIONS.
10:09:37AM EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE OFFICER WHO MURDERED TAMIR RICE WAS
10:09:40AM HIRED BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT A FEW WEEKS LATER.
10:09:43AM THERE WAS NO ONE AT THE OTHER DEPARTMENT TO SAY I DON'T
10:09:45AM THINK WE WANT THAT GUY.
10:09:46AM YOU SET UP THE CRB TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WE
10:09:51AM HB 601 DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH THAT.
10:09:54AM WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THAT.
10:09:56AM THE TALKING POINT I'VE HEARD IS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT.
10:09:59AM THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT BUT THE PEOPLE WE APPOINTED
10:10:02AM HAVEN'T DONE IT.
10:10:03AM STEVE HASN'T BEEN SHOWING UP FOR WORK.
10:10:06AM LET'S ELIMINATE HIS WHOLE POSITION.
10:10:08AM THAT'S STUPID.
10:10:10AM GET RID OF STEVE AND HIRE SOMEBODY WHO WILL DO THE JOB.
10:10:14AM THE ARGUMENT THAT THE APPOINTEES AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY ARE
10:10:18AM AUTHORIZED TO DO ISN'T AN ARGUMENT, IT IS TO PICK DIFFERENT
10:10:20AM PEOPLE.
10:10:21AM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, TOO, JUNE 6,
10:10:26AM REPRESENTATIVE ALVAREZ STOOD HERE.
10:10:29AM WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY IS HE IS COUNSEL FOR THE POLICE UNION.
10:10:33AM HE TRIED TO STAND HERE AND BE, I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE
10:10:37AM LEGISLATURE AND PRETENDED TO GIVE AN OFFICIAL LEGISLATIVE
10:10:40AM INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THAT MEANT WHICH HE IS NOT AUTHORIZED
10:10:44AM TO DO.
10:10:44AM THEN HE SAID I'LL HAVE THEM PASS A NEW LAW IF YOU DON'T
10:10:48AM PRETEND THAT THIS LAW ALREADY SAYS SOMETHING IT DOESN'T SAY.
10:10:52AM NONE OF THE SEVEN OF YOU WOULD STAND AND SAY, I'M GOING TO
10:10:54AM GET THE OTHER SIX TO PASS AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
10:10:57AM PRESUME TO KNOW WHAT THE OTHER SIX WILL DO.
10:11:01AM THANK YOU.
10:11:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR AND THEN
10:11:04AM MS. AILEEN HENDERSON.
10:11:05AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:11:14AM >> I'LL GET TO THIS IN JUST A SECOND.
10:11:16AM FIRST THING, I LOVE TO HAVE SEEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE
10:11:20AM TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S STILL NO ADVERTIsem*nTS FOR THE LAND
10:11:23AM USE DEPARTMENT.
10:11:24AM JUST SAYING.
10:11:26AM NOBODY HAS COME IN TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR
10:11:28AM CITY.
10:11:29AM MR. GRECO IS NOT THE ISSUE.
10:11:33AM SCAGLIONE DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:11:35AM I DEARLY LIVE HIM.
10:11:37AM GREAT GUY.
10:11:38AM LIVES IN PASCO COUNTY AND ALREADY ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.
10:11:41AM IT'S NOT ABOUT MR. GRECO.
10:11:42AM IT'S ABOUT THEM CHANGING ALL THE RULES BECAUSE MR. SCAGLIONE
10:11:47AM IS ALMOST ALWAYS LATE OR I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN HE LIVES IN
10:11:50AM PASCO.
10:11:51AM JUST SAYING.
10:11:51AM NUMBER 75 IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
10:11:54AM I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHY IT IS IMPORTANT IS THIS
10:11:57AM IS IN THE THING ON-BASE.
10:12:06AM FROM THE 80 TO 120, REALLY.
10:12:10AM THIS IS OnBase.
10:12:12AM I DIDN'T PICK THIS OUT MYSELF.
10:12:13AM IT IS FROM THE SHIMBERG CENTER WHICH IS WHERE THE STATE
10:12:16AM LEGISLATION COMES FROM THAT SAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LET
10:12:20AM THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE AND SAYING WE'RE DOING
10:12:25AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING 80 TO 120 WHEN WE ALL KNOW 80 TO 120 IS
10:12:28AM MARKET RATE.
10:12:29AM IF YOU MAKE $80,000 A YEAR AND ONE-FAMILY HOME, YOU QUALIFY
10:12:33AM 80 TO 120.
10:12:34AM THE PROBLEM IS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET REAL DEEP, THIS
10:12:39AM RIGHT HERE IS THE NUMBER OF VACANT UNITS THAT WILL BE ONLINE
10:12:44AM WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:12:47AM SO THAT 3994 UNITS, LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE STILL HAVE COMING IN
10:12:54AM OUR COMMUNITY.
10:12:56AM I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE CURRENT PRICING FOR ONE BEDROOM UNIT.
10:13:00AM THE TWO LIVE LOCALS PLANS WE HAVE COMING IN, 700, 850 UNITS,
10:13:06AM THEY ARE ONLY DOING 120.
10:13:08AM THEY ARE ONLY DOING 120.
10:13:10AM AND THEY ARE ONLY DOING ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
10:13:13AM THEY ARE NOT BUILDING FOR FAMILIES.
10:13:14AM THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT FAMILIES.
10:13:16AM AND THEY ARE ONLY BUILDING THOSE FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE $80,000
10:13:20AM A YEAR OR MORE.
10:13:24AM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FOLKS WHO ARE DRAWING THEIR SOCIAL
10:13:26AM SECURITY.
10:13:27AM WE HAVE TO PUT THIS IN PLACE.
10:13:29AM NOW, I WOULD ALSO OFFER THAT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT
10:13:32AM GATHERING DENSITY, WHERE WE WANT THE DENSITY, WE NEED TO BE
10:13:36AM LIKE SARASOTA ENCOURAGING DENSITY IN PLACES LIKE SULPHUR
10:13:41AM SPRINGS WHERE THEY HAVE 1% GROWTH.
10:13:44AM WE DON'T NEED THIS CRAP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
10:13:46AM WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS THE 30% TO 80% RANGE BECAUSE
10:13:51AM THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP A ROOF OVER
10:13:54AM THEIR HEAD.
10:13:54AM THIS IS POOP THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN.
10:13:59AM WE NEED TO GET RID OF IT.
10:14:00AM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY WRITTEN THE STUFF.
10:14:03AM I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO
10:14:07AM GET RID OF THIS.
10:14:08AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THIS DATA.
10:14:10AM I WISH WE HAD IT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY BUT I'M ONLY ONE
10:14:14AM PERSON.
10:14:14AM I SPENT TWO HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER THIS DATA IN THE LAST 24.
10:14:18AM EVERYBODY SHOULD DO IT FOR THEIR PART OF THE CITY.
10:14:20AM THANK YOU.
10:14:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER IS MS. AILEEN HENDERSON
10:14:23AM FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
10:14:29AM AILEEN HENDERSON, THE CEMETERY SOCIETY.
10:14:31AM I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT ANGELA WYNN AND HER CONCERNS WITH
10:14:37AM THE ITALIAN CLUB AND COTTAGE HILL CEMETERY.
10:14:41AM I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BUT WHEN MS. VALERIE GOT UP HERE
10:14:46AM AND SAID WHAT SHE SAID, SHE SAID IT ALL.
10:14:49AM THEY NEED TO BE TREATED EQUALLY AND FAIRLY.
10:14:53AM AND WE HAVE A LAW THAT STATES THAT.
10:14:55AM IT'S UNDER OWNERSHIP FOR PRIVATE CEMETERIES.
10:14:58AM LANDOWNERS ARE PROHIBITED FROM DISTURBING GRAVES OR HUMAN
10:15:02AM REMAINS ON THEIR PROPERTY BUT ALL HUMAN REMAINS ARE
10:15:09AM PROTECTED EQUALLY BY LAW REGARDLESS OF LAND OWNERSHIP.
10:15:18AM I KNOW SOMETIMES I SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE LAW IS BECAUSE I
10:15:20AM DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE EXPERTS.
10:15:22AM IT'S OUR JOB TO EDUCATE YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE
10:15:27AM FOUND.
10:15:28AM THERE ARE LAWS THAT CAN HELP US WITH THIS PARTICULAR
10:15:32AM CEMETERY EVEN THOUGH IT SITS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
10:15:36AM I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE.
10:15:39AM WOODLAWN CEMETERY WAS NOT A FIGHT AGAINST THE PUBLIC
10:15:42AM CEMETERY.
10:15:42AM IT WAS A FIGHT AGAINST A PRIVATE OWNER.
10:15:46AM LET ME REMIND YOU ALL OF THAT.
10:15:47AM AND COUNCIL AT THAT TIME VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO TAKE CARE OF
10:15:54AM THAT SECTION THAT WAS A CEMETERY.
10:15:59AM I KNOW WE GET HUNG UP ON THIS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP THING, BUT
10:16:02AM THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE TO PROTECT THOSE GRAVES THAT ARE
10:16:06AM THERE.
10:16:07AM IF THEY ARE NOT THERE, WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
10:16:11AM THAT'S ALL.
10:16:12AM IT'S SIMPLE.
10:16:13AM IF I HAD TO GUESS WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN, THOSE PEOPLE ARE
10:16:19AM PROBABLY STILL NOT WITH US WHO DID WHAT THEY DID AND BURIED
10:16:22AM THAT CEMETERY.
10:16:23AM SEEMS TO ME THE CURRENT GENERATION THAT'S IN CHARGE STEP UP,
10:16:30AM TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, AND MAKE IT RIGHT.
10:16:34AM IT'S SIMPLE.
10:16:35AM WHAT A GREAT PR EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AS THE ITALIAN
10:16:42AM CLUB TO STEP UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS CEMETERY IS HONORED
10:16:47AM AND RESPECTED AS IT SHOULD BE, NOT WITH SOME MARKER ON THE
10:16:51AM SIDE OF THE STREET BY A SIDEWALK.
10:16:55AM WHAT A DISGRACE.
10:16:57AM I'M EMBARRASSED AS A FIFTH GENERATION OF TAMPA WHO HAS
10:17:02AM FAMILY THAT BELONGS TO THE ITALIAN CLUB FROM SICILY.
10:17:06AM I'M EMBARRASSED.
10:17:08AM FIX IT.
10:17:09AM MAKE IT RIGHT.
10:17:10AM IF THE ITALIAN CLUB COULD HEAR ME, FIX IT.
10:17:13AM WE'RE DONE.
10:17:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:17:16AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:17AM NEXT SPEAKER IS MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY MS. ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:17:33AM >> UHURU, MENTESNOT.
10:17:36AM TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:17:36AM YOU KNOW, THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE YOU CAN FIND IN THE HOOD IS
10:17:42AM PEOPLE LIKE ME.
10:17:43AM COME IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, YOU SEE EVEN BEFORE THEN, WE HAVE
10:17:49AM GOLD RIMS, WE HAVE GOLD TEETH, WE'VE GOT GOLD EVERYTHING.
10:17:52AM GOLD CHAIN.
10:17:52AM AND NO PLACE TO LIVE.
10:17:55AM NO PLACE TO LIVE.
10:17:57AM THAT'S A STUPID AFRICAN.
10:18:00AM BUT I'M NOT GOING TO INDICT THAT AFRICAN FOR BEING STUPID
10:18:05AM BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISPOSSESSED OF EDUCATION FOR THE LAST
10:18:11AM 624 YEARS.
10:18:13AM GUESS WHO I'M GOING TO INDICT.
10:18:15AM I'M GOING TO INDICT THE SMART, INTELLIGENT WHITE FOLKS THAT
10:18:19AM WENT TO ALL KINDS OF UNIVERSITIES AND EVERYTHING.
10:18:22AM GUESS WHAT THEY DO.
10:18:28AM $450,000 ON SOME BRICKS IN YBOR CITY FOR A STREET.
10:18:36AM $450,000.
10:18:37AM WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO RUN TO ABOUT 600,000 AND COST
10:18:41AM OVERRUNS.
10:18:43AM IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND YBOR CITY, WALKING
10:18:46AM AROUND YBOR CITY BECAUSE THEY HOMELESS.
10:18:49AM AND IT'S A LOT.
10:18:51AM I PERSONALLY CAN TAKE THAT $450,000 AND BUILD FOUR HOMES
10:18:55AM WITH IT.
10:18:55AM FOUR THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOMES I CAN BUILD RIGHT HERE IN
10:19:00AM THE CITY WITH THE SAME $450,000.
10:19:03AM WHO IS STUPID AND WHO IS IGNORANT?
10:19:07AM THE ONE WITH THE GOLD CHAIN AND THE GOLD WATCH, WHATEVER,
10:19:11AM THE GOLD TEETH OR THE ONES THAT HAVE ALL THIS EDUCATION?
10:19:15AM THAT'S HOW THE CITY TREAT AFRICAN PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR
10:19:21AM PERIOD.
10:19:21AM COLONIALISM HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME, FROM 1400
10:19:26AM TO 1970, YOU'VE HAD UNDER WHAT'S CALLED STINKING
10:19:36AM CHRISTIANITY, STINKING COLONIALISM, STINKING IMPERIALISM,
10:19:41AM STINKING CAPITALISM AND NOW WE'RE IN A STINKING RULING CLASS
10:19:45AM PERIOD.
10:19:46AM THEY HAVE DEPOPULATED THE LEADERSHIP OF THE WORLD, OF ALL
10:19:51AM THE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS, WHICH COULD BE A DEROGATORY
10:19:56AM WORLD.
10:19:56AM THEY DEPOPULATED THEM.
10:19:58AM THE LEADERSHIP THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY.
10:20:00AM NOW WE HAVE THOSE SAME PEOPLE UNDER THE STINKING RULING
10:20:04AM CLASS.
10:20:04AM THAT'S USING THE STINKING JEWISH POPULATION AND THE STINKING
10:20:09AM JEWISH LEADERSHIP TO ELIMINATE ANYBODY THAT CONSIDERS
10:20:13AM THEMSELVES A LEADER, THEY ELIMINATE THEM, THEN MURDER THE
10:20:18AM LEADER OF IRAN, HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS, MURDERING PEOPLE DAY AND
10:20:23AM NIGHT, THE SAME WAY THEY MURDERED MARTIN LUTHER KING,
10:20:26AM MALCOLM X AND ALL THE OTHER BLACK LEADERSHIP AND THEY ARE
10:20:29AM GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
10:20:30AM LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS STINKING CITY COUNCIL, DOUBLE
10:20:33AM STANDARD.
10:20:35AM NO CHEERING IN HERE, BUT WHEN THE POLICE HERE AND OTHER
10:20:38AM PEOPLE IN HERE, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE CHEERING.
10:20:40AM IF THERE'S NO CHEERING, NO CONGRATULATIONS, NO
10:20:43AM CONGRATULATIONS, PERIOD.
10:20:44AM DON'T HAVE NO DOUBLE STANDARD.
10:20:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:20:47AM MS. ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
10:20:51AM GOOD MORNING.
10:20:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:20:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:01AM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:21:02AM IN REGARDS TO WHAT VALERIE SAID, I DON'T WANT THE BLACK
10:21:11AM COMMUNITY TO HAVE EQUAL.
10:21:12AM I WANT BLACK COMMUNITY TO HAVE EQUITY BECAUSE THERE IS A
10:21:16AM TOTAL DIFFERENCE.
10:21:17AM SO I WANT EQUITY FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
10:21:19AM REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 55, CRB, THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, I'VE
10:21:31AM APPROACHED COUNCIL AND I ALWAYS SAID THAT THE ISSUE AND THE
10:21:35AM THINGS THAT WE'RE COMING AGAINST IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
10:21:39AM COUNCIL TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, FOR COUNCIL TO DO
10:21:42AM THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND FOR COUNCIL TO HANDLE THINGS
10:21:45AM DIFFERENTLY.
10:21:46AM DANNY ALVAREZ AS NOTED PRIOR, CAME DOWN HERE, I WAS SITTING
10:21:51AM HERE, AND ADVISED YOU GUYS THAT, HEY, WHAT WE PUT INTO LAW
10:21:56AM WASN'T WHAT WE REALLY MEANT.
10:22:00AM AND HE SAID ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THE CRB, I GUESS YOU
10:22:05AM GUYS VOTED BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE FOR THE VOTE.
10:22:07AM YOU VOTED TO DISMANTLE IT.
10:22:09AM INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, AND THE CERTAIN
10:22:15AM PARTS OF THE CRB THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO KEEP, I THINK YOU
10:22:19AM SHOULD.
10:22:20AM I THINK THAT DURING THAT TIME, PEOPLE CAME DOWN HERE AND
10:22:27AM THEY FOUGHT FOR THE CRB AND IT WAS PASSED THROUGH A
10:22:29AM DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION.
10:22:30AM THEY PASSED IT.
10:22:31AM SO WHEN TALLAHASSEE COMES AND DISMANTLES SOMETHING BECAUSE
10:22:37AM IT GIVES -- IT HOLDS THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE OR HOLDS THE LOCAL
10:22:43AM GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
10:22:46AM I THINK THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE BOARD
10:22:51AM INTACT, TO KEEP WHAT THEY SAY YOU CAN'T -- OPPOSITE OF WHAT
10:22:56AM THEY SAY THEY WANT YOU TO GET RID OF, AND FOCUS ON THAT
10:23:00AM UNTIL ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION COMES IN OR UNTIL SOMETHING
10:23:04AM CHANGES BECAUSE I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE COMMUNITY
10:23:07AM CAME DOWN HERE IN DROVES AND FOUGHT FOR THE CRB.
10:23:12AM I THINK IT'S UPON THIS COUNCIL TO KEEP IT INTACT WHATEVER IT
10:23:16AM IS.
10:23:16AM THEY DIDN'T SAY WIPE IT OUT.
10:23:18AM IF YOU ARE DOING A COMPARISON TO MIAMI, I'M UNDERSTANDING,
10:23:22AM THEN FOLLOW THEIR LEAD SINCE YOU'RE INQUIRING ABOUT IT,
10:23:25AM FOLLOW THEIR LEAD, KEEP IT INTACT AND LET IT STILL WORK WITH
10:23:29AM WHAT IS OBLIGATED TO WORK FOR.
10:23:31AM CEMETERIES.
10:23:37AM ZION CEMETERY HAS GONE UNDER THE RADAR AND IT'S COMING BACK
10:23:42AM BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S MISSING IN REGARDS
10:23:45AM TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ZION CEMETERY AND THE OWNERS AND
10:23:49AM THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT THE CITY HAS PROMISED THEY WERE
10:23:54AM GOING TO DO.
10:23:54AM ZION CEMETERY IS GOING TO COME BACK ON THE RADAR.
10:23:58AM AS LONG AS THINGS ARE NOT TALKED ABOUT OR GET SWEPT UNDER
10:24:01AM THE RUG AND PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT IT.
10:24:03AM BUT ZION CEMETERY IS COMING BACK.
10:24:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:24:06AM MS. CONNIE BURTON, FOLLOWED BY MR. DARYL HYCH.
10:24:12AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:24:12AM CONNIE BURTON.
10:24:15AM OUT OF THE ITEMS YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING TODAY, VERY LITTLE
10:24:24AM WILL HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT BASED ON YOUR VOTE ON HOW THE
10:24:30AM LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE CHANGES OR IS IMPROVED.
10:24:33AM I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT IF PEOPLE REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 20,
10:24:40AM IF THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE RESOURCES INSIDE OF EAST TAMPA TO
10:24:47AM UPLIFT AND UPGRADE THEIR PROPERTIES ON PALIFOX, BECAUSE IT
10:24:50AM AIN'T JUST ONE PROPERTY.
10:24:52AM IT IS THE HOPES OF CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT HAS MOVED INTO THE
10:24:56AM COMMUNITY TO DESTROY THOSE EYESORES.
10:25:01AM BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAD TO LIVE WHEN IT GOT SO, SO BAD THAT
10:25:05AM THEY COULD NOT ENDURE ANY LONGER AND LEAVE THOSE PROPERTIES,
10:25:10AM NOW THEY ARE IN YOUR HANDS FOR DEMOLITION.
10:25:12AM ITEM NUMBER 69, I BELIEVE IT IS.
10:25:19AM REGARDING RESOLUTION 568.
10:25:24AM ONE THING I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE
10:25:28AM EVIDENCE, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF LIKE GETTING READY FOR
10:25:36AM TRIAL.
10:25:37AM WHEN THE POLICE GO OUT AND FIND WITNESSES, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE
10:25:42AM NOT ADHERED TO LAW, THEN THE COURTS CAN COME UP AND THE
10:25:47AM PROSECUTORS CAN COME UP WITH A GUILTY VERDICT.
10:25:51AM RESOLUTION 568 IRREGARDLESS OF HOW YOU TRY TO KEEP ON
10:25:56AM KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, YOU SAID, AND THOSE THAT WAS
10:26:02AM NOT HERE TO VOTE ON IT AGREED THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE HARM
10:26:07AM AND HURT THAT WAS DONE TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:26:10AM YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FIND ANYBODY THAT IS WILLING TO PUT
10:26:13AM UP THEIR FULL REPUTATION TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU, CITY, DO
10:26:18AM A WRITTEN REPORT, YEAH, YOU DID HARM.
10:26:24AM HELL, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.
10:26:26AM LOOK AT THE HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE.
10:26:29AM CONSTANT RECIDIVISM OF PEOPLE GOING BACK IN PRISON.
10:26:31AM WE LOOK AT THE BAD EDUCATION.
10:26:33AM WE LOOK AT THE FAILED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FOR BLACK PEOPLE IN
10:26:37AM THIS CITY AND WE KNOW THIS CITY HAS BEEN A TOTAL FAILURE.
10:26:40AM WHAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO IS LIVE TO THE SIGNING OF
10:26:46AM RESOLUTION 568 AND MAKE IT COME ALIVE.
10:26:50AM EVERY WEEK WHEN YOU PUT FORWARD THESE AGENDA, IF YOU DON'T
10:26:54AM SEE THE PROGRESS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE, REJECT IT UNTIL YOU SEE
10:26:58AM IT.
10:26:59AM WHERE IS THE ABILITY OF OUR PEOPLE TO HAVE GAINFUL
10:27:02AM EMPLOYMENT IN THIS CITY?
10:27:03AM IF YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT US OUT, WHEN YOU SIGN
10:27:08AM THAT RESOLUTION AND YOU SAID THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE
10:27:11AM BRUTALITY THAT WAS INFLICTED UPON OUR COMMUNITY, YOU SIGNED
10:27:17AM THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
10:27:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:19AM MR. DARYL HYCH.
10:27:20AM AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE REGISTERED PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS
10:27:25AM OF WHICH WE HAVE TWO.
10:27:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:27:29AM DARYL HYCH.
10:27:31AM 1,428 DAYS AGO, SEPTEMBER 20, 2020, RESOLUTION NUMBER 568
10:27:45AM WE'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FREQUENTLY DISCUSSING THIS.
10:27:47AM I THINK THE PUBLIC AT-LARGE NEEDS TO HEAR THE LANGUAGE
10:27:51AM VERSUS US JUST TALKING AND YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT WE'RE
10:27:55AM TALKING ABOUT.
10:27:55AM WHEREAS, IN ORDER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO FULLY EMBRACE THE
10:28:00AM CHANGE NECESSARY TO MOVE OUR COMMUNITY FORWARD, THE CITY
10:28:04AM COUNCIL BELIEVES IT IS NECESSARY TO RECOGNIZE AND
10:28:08AM ACKNOWLEDGE THE SLAVERY THAT FLOURISHED IN THE STATE OF
10:28:10AM FLORIDA AND IN TAMPA.
10:28:14AM CONSTITUTING IMMORAL AND INHUMANE DEPRIVATION OF AFRICAN
10:28:19AM LIVES AND LIBERTY.
10:28:20AM AND WHEREAS, FOLLOWING THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY, TAMPA
10:28:24AM CONTINUED TO PERPETUATE, CONDONE, AND PROFIT FOR PRACTICES
10:28:28AM THAT CONTINUE TO BRUTALIZE AND DISADVANTAGE AFRICAN
10:28:34AM AMERICANS, INCLUDING SHARE CROPPING -- LEASING, JIM CROW
10:28:39AM LAWS, RED LINING, UNEQUAL EDUCATION, AND DISPROPORTIONATE
10:28:42AM TREATMENT AT THE HANDS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
10:28:45AM AND WHEREAS, SUCH PRACTICES WERE OFTEN OVERT, BUT MORE OFTEN
10:28:52AM ADOPTED AND INCORPORATED UNDER THE GUISE OF LEGITIMATE
10:28:57AM POLICY, FORMED A COMPLEX SYSTEM OF RACIALLY MOTIVATED
10:29:01AM DISCRIMINATION AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, INCLUDING
10:29:04AM ECONOMICS, POLITICS, EDUCATION, SOCIAL DISCRIMINATION,
10:29:10AM RESULTING IN AFRICAN AMERICANS CONTINUING TO SUFFER
10:29:14AM DEBILITATING ECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL, AND HEALTH ADVERSITIES.
10:29:18AM WHEREAS, TO HEAL AND TO NOT DIVIDE, THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
10:29:24AM CITY OF TAMPA SEEKS TO REDRESS HARMS OF THOSE WHO CAME
10:29:29AM BEFORE AND IN THE INJUSTICES THAT CONTINUE TO SURROUND US,
10:29:33AM THAT WE CAN DO -- AND THAT WE MUST DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE
10:29:39AM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ITS INSTITUTIONS AND COMMUNITIES MORE
10:29:43AM JUST AND EQUITABLE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
10:29:45AM WHY DID I READ THAT?
10:29:48AM BECAUSE I THINK WE GOT A MISTRIAL SINCE WE HAVE ATTORNEYS ON
10:29:51AM THE PODIUM.
10:29:52AM WE HAVE A MISTRIAL.
10:29:54AM YOU'VE BEEN READING THIS THING BASS-ACKWARDS.
10:29:57AM YOU KEEP PUTTING THIS 377 IN PLACE, BUT YOU STATED IT HERE
10:30:01AM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN, WHICH MEANS UNDER
10:30:05AM RESOLUTION THAT MEANS YOU WILL DO EVERYTHING TO RESOLUTE THE
10:30:10AM THING THAT WAS WRONG THAT YOU WROTE.
10:30:13AM STOP TRYING TO BRING US -- HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT WE WILL
10:30:18AM YIELD AND WE WILL STOP.
10:30:19AM BLACK LIVES MATTER, YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THEM ANYMORE.
10:30:22AM WE'RE NOT MOVING FROM THIS RESOLUTION.
10:30:25AM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP TELLING US YOU'RE LOOKING FOR
10:30:28AM $50,000 TO PAY SOMEONE WHEN THIS SAYS THE GOVERNMENT STATED
10:30:31AM THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WRONG.
10:30:33AM FIX THIS ISSUE.
10:30:34AM DO RIGHT.
10:30:35AM DON'T GET UP IN THE MORNING WITH THIS WRONG ON YOUR
10:30:38AM SHOULDER.
10:30:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:30:39AM OUR REGISTERED SPEAKERS ARE RICHIE FOLLOWED BY MR. MICHAEL
10:30:45AM RANDOLPH. MR. RANDOLPH.
10:30:52AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:30:53AM GOOD MORNING.
10:30:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:30:55AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:30:58AM I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
10:31:01AM TODAY I'M HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE UPCOMING ONLINE
10:31:06AM COMMUNITY MEETING TITLED A NATIONAL DISCUSSION ON BEST
10:31:11AM PRACTICES AND LESSONS LEARNED FROM AROUND THE NATION ON
10:31:16AM REDUCING VIOLENCE.
10:31:18AM THE MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST THE 28th, AND WILL
10:31:24AM FEATURE SOME OF THE MOST PROMINENT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE
10:31:29AM NATION AND HOW THEY USE THE COMMUNITY OF COACH TO SOLVE
10:31:33AM THEIR PROBLEM.
10:31:33AM OUR APPROACH IS DIFFERENT FROM MOST BECAUSE INSTEAD OF ONLY
10:31:37AM USING A PROGRAMMATIC APPROACH, WE USE A STRUCTURAL APPROACH
10:31:45AM BASED ON A PLACE-BASED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY THAT
10:31:49AM FOCUSES ON THE INDIVIDUAL, THE FAMILY, THE COMMUNITY, AND
10:31:53AM THE VILLAGE.
10:31:54AM THE THREE LEGS OF THIS APPROACH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
10:31:59AM SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT.
10:32:01AM THE STRATEGY USES THREE APPROACHES.
10:32:07AM PREVENTION, INTERVENTION, AND DETERRENTS.
10:32:11AM IT FOCUSES ON THE FOLLOWING PROGRAMS: REDUCING -- HELPING
10:32:18AM WITH RETURNING CITIZENS.
10:32:20AM YOUTH, VIOLENCE INTERVENTION, FAMILY SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY
10:32:24AM EMPOWERMENT.
10:32:25AM WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATE FROM THE ORIGINAL DATE BECAUSE
10:32:30AM GETTING A LARGE RESPONSE FROM AROUND THE NATION.
10:32:32AM WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW THAT THE MEETING ON THE ZION CEMETERY
10:32:39AM HAS BEEN MOVED TO AUGUST THE 20th BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE
10:32:43AM THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM AROUND THE NATION FROM PEOPLE
10:32:46AM THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED -- BUILD UPON THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
10:32:56AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH.
10:32:58AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:33:00AM WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 4, WHICH WILL BE HEARD WITH
10:33:03AM ITEM NUMBER 64.
10:33:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:33:10AM I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS.
10:33:12AM I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS WHO CAME HERE ON THIS ISSUE, ON THIS
10:33:15AM APPOINTMENT.
10:33:16AM IT'S FUNNY.
10:33:16AM I MADE THIS MOTION PROBABLY -- I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS
10:33:21AM -- TWO WEEKS AGO OR SO.
10:33:23AM I'LL BE HONEST, I ALWAYS LIKE TO BE TRANSPARENT, RIGHT?
10:33:25AM WHEN I MADE IT, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE OR A
10:33:29AM CHALLENGE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
10:33:33AM I DON'T MEAN THAT IN TERMS OF IT BEING WHY IS IT AN ISSUE
10:33:37AM CITY COUNCIL THAT I SHOULD HAVE, HOW SHALL I SAY THIS LOOKED
10:33:40AM AT IT, ET CETERA.
10:33:42AM IN FACT, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WHEN I MADE THE MOTION A COUPLE
10:33:46AM OF WEEKS AGO THAT I DID A MEMO ON IT WHICH I DIDN'T.
10:33:49AM SOMEBODY CALLED ME ON IT.
10:33:52AM DID A MEMO.
10:33:52AM ACTUALLY I DIDN'T.
10:33:53AM I WANT TO SAY THAT AT THE OUTSET.
10:33:56AM I'M GLAD WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR PEOPLE TO REFLECT ON
10:33:58AM IT, ET CETERA.
10:33:59AM THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS TRYING TO BE PRAGMATIC AS MUCH AS
10:34:04AM ONE CAN ON IT.
10:34:05AM GLAD PEOPLE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO THINK ABOUT IT,
10:34:07AM ET CETERA.
10:34:08AM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
10:34:09AM FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CITIZENS
10:34:11AM ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE BUDGET, THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I LOOK AT
10:34:14AM IS A WORD I USE A LOT, WHICH IS STAKEHOLDER.
10:34:18AM FOR ME, RESIDENCY FOR A CITY, FOR A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IS
10:34:22AM NOT THE DETERMINING FACTOR FOR BEING A STAKEHOLDER.
10:34:27AM THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
10:34:29AM THE CRITERIA THAT I PROPOSED FOR ME CLOSELY MIRRORS WHAT A
10:34:34AM POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDER IS, WHICH IS SOMEBODY WHO OWNS
10:34:38AM PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, OR SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN A
10:34:41AM CITY EMPLOYEE ANYTIME OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.
10:34:45AM I PICKED JOE GRECO.
10:34:46AM FOLKS HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU'RE PUTTING IN A FRIEND.
10:34:50AM STIPULATED.
10:34:51AM JOE GRECO IS MY FRIEND, LOVE HIM LIKE HE IS FAMILY.
10:34:55AM I DO.
10:34:55AM LET'S SET THAT ASIDE, MY PERSONAL FEELINGS FOR JOE GRECO.
10:34:59AM FOR ME THERE'S NOBODY BETTER OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING BEING ON
10:35:03AM THIS COMMITTEE.
10:35:03AM WE MENTIONED THE NAME OF ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE WAS MENTIONED
10:35:08AM BEFORE.
10:35:09AM FEEL THE SAME WAY WITH ANDY JOE.
10:35:12AM I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIS DECISIONS ON THE ADVISORY
10:35:15AM BOARD.
10:35:17AM JOE BRINGS AN EQUALLY COMPELLING VOICE.
10:35:21AM IT'S STIPULATED NOBODY OBJECTS TO JOE AS A PERSON BEING ON
10:35:24AM THIS BOARD.
10:35:25AM NOBODY GOES, I DON'T WANT FIREFIGHTERS ON THIS BOARD.
10:35:27AM IT IS A MATTER OF PROCESS.
10:35:29AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:35:29AM BUT I'M ASKING FOR PRAGMATISM ON THIS.
10:35:31AM JOE IS A GUY WHO SERVED FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS WITH TAMPA FIRE
10:35:35AM RESCUE.
10:35:35AM HIS MOTHER WAS ONE OF OUR EARLIEST TAMPA POLICE OFFICERS.
10:35:39AM VERY, VERY PROUD OF THAT.
10:35:41AM HE'S A STAKEHOLDER.
10:35:43AM HE IS.
10:35:43AM MORE IMPORTANTLY, OR JUST AS IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, HE WAS
10:35:47AM THE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754 DURING A VERY
10:35:51AM PIVOTAL TIME, RESPONSIBLE IN LARGE PART FOR FIRE STATION 25,
10:35:55AM WORKING ON IT TO HELP PUSH THROUGH, HELP FOR THE MEN AND
10:35:58AM WOMEN AT STATION 13.
10:35:59AM HE SAVED TAXPAYERS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BY
10:36:03AM SPEARHEADING THE HEALTH TRUST FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
10:36:07AM JOE ADVOCATED LIKE THAT VERY, VERY HARD.
10:36:11AM SAVING TAXPAYERS, SAVING TAXPAYERS.
10:36:14AM I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE FIRST RESPONDER PRESENCE ON
10:36:19AM THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
10:36:20AM BY THE WAY, I'D LOVE TO SEE IF I COULD HAVE THIS, A POSITION
10:36:23AM SET FOR THE ATU, FOR PBA, AND FOR --
10:36:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER.
10:36:31AM WE HAVE ITEM 64 WHICH HAS TO BE PASSED BEFORE ITEM 4 CAN BE
10:36:34AM HEARD, CORRECT?
10:36:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:36:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY TALKING -- ITEM 64
10:36:41AM DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ANY ONE PERSON.
10:36:43AM IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCEDURES OF VOTING.
10:36:45AM IF WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH 64 FIRST, I THINK YOU SHOULD STICK
10:36:51AM WITH THE MERITS OF 64 AND NOT DISCUSS THE PERSONS THAT ARE
10:36:53AM INVOLVED IN IT.
10:36:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS TALKING ABOUT -- SO THIS DOES SUPPORT
10:36:57AM 64.
10:36:58AM THIS DOES.
10:36:59AM BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PUT IN 64
10:37:02AM FOR THE THREE PRONGS THAT I'M SUGGESTING, MR. GRECO IS AN
10:37:07AM EXAMPLE OF THAT.
10:37:07AM SO THE TWO ARE INTERTWINED.
10:37:09AM AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PREJUDICE SUFFERED BY ANY
10:37:12AM PARTY BY ME TALKING ABOUT THAT.
10:37:13AM YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
10:37:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL WITHDRAW MY POINT OF ORDER.
10:37:19AM IT SEEMS LIKE 64 --
10:37:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO TAKE A VOTE UP HERE ON
10:37:24AM SUPPORTING SOMEONE LIKE JOE GRECO LIVED IN HYDE PARK.
10:37:27AM GET A 7-0 VOTE OR IN NEW TAMPA OR EAST TAMPA, WHEREVER.
10:37:31AM SO WE GET ALL THAT STUFF, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF
10:37:34AM THE TABLE.
10:37:35AM LIKE I WAS SAYING, WITH THIS THREE-PRONG TEST THAT I
10:37:38AM PROPOSE, WHICH IS TO HAVE EITHER A PROPERTY HOLDER, NUMBER
10:37:42AM ONE.
10:37:42AM NUMBER TWO, YOU WORK FOR THE CITY ANYTIME OVER THE LAST TEN
10:37:46AM YEARS.
10:37:46AM NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE AN ACTUAL RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF
10:37:50AM TAMPA.
10:37:51AM IF WE WERE TO NOT ADOPT THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE AWAY
10:37:54AM 80% OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
10:37:56AM BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:37:57AM NO ONE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, INCLUDING
10:38:00AM COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL AS A LOT OF ATU MEMBERS.
10:38:03AM GOING TO THOSE THREE PRONGS, AGAIN, I THINK THE CONCEPT OF
10:38:06AM STAKEHOLDER IS SOMETHING VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT CALLS TO
10:38:09AM MIND FOR US TO BE PRAGMATIC IN THIS.
10:38:11AM RESIDENCY, AGAIN, IS NOT A MAIN DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHO IS
10:38:16AM A STAKEHOLDER.
10:38:17AM YOU HAVE HERE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS, AGAIN, WORKED FOR THE
10:38:20AM CITY.
10:38:20AM HE IS A VERY, VERY PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THAT PRONG OF
10:38:24AM HAVING SOME WORK OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS IS VERY, VERY
10:38:27AM IMPORTANT.
10:38:28AM PERHAPS SOMEBODY WHO OWNS PROPERTY.
10:38:30AM BY THE WAY, IF WE PASS THIS, WHICH IT PASSED LAST TIME 4-3,
10:38:33AM IF WE PASS THIS, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO TO PEOPLE.
10:38:37AM WE'VE HAD TIMES ON THE CRA WITH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD,
10:38:41AM FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE SOMEBODY NEEDS SPECIFIC ELEMENTS AND WE
10:38:45AM VOTED IT DOWN FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
10:38:47AM WE STILL HOLD THAT POWER IN THAT REGARD.
10:38:50AM I THINK BY KEEPING IT AS WE DO, WE LOCK OUT TALENT ON THE
10:38:53AM BOARD THAT WE RELY ON.
10:38:55AM IT'S IN EFFECT ARBITRARY.
10:38:57AM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW IS I GOT A GOOD BUDDY OF
10:39:02AM MINE.
10:39:02AM PETER AUSTIN, LIVES IN HAWAII.
10:39:05AM PETER COULD MOVE DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW, ESTABLISH RESIDENCY
10:39:08AM WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I COULD APPOINT PETER ON THAT
10:39:11AM BOARD BUT WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO SOMEBODY LIKE JOE GRECO OR
10:39:14AM ANYBODY ELSE UNDER THE POSITION RIGHT NOW AS IT IS.
10:39:16AM THIS TAKES AWAY ARBITRARILY POWER FROM CITY COUNCIL AND IN
10:39:20AM EFFECT PENALIZES THE COMMUNITY THAT I THINK SHOULD BE
10:39:23AM REPRESENTED ON THIS BOARD.
10:39:24AM I THINK IT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
10:39:27AM AGAIN, WHAT I WOULD ASK COUNCIL IS, I'VE LISTENED TO YOU ALL
10:39:30AM 100% AND YOUR CONCERNS, VERY LEGITIMATE, GOOD FAITH
10:39:34AM CONCERNS, ET CETERA.
10:39:35AM I DON'T THINK THIS NOMINATION SHOULD BE DELAYED ANY FURTHER.
10:39:38AM I THINK THERE IS A VOICE FOR REASONABLE PRAGMATISM IN GOING
10:39:42AM FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE, TO PASS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AGAIN,
10:39:45AM THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS BEING A STAKEHOLDER AND THE THREE
10:39:50AM TESTS THAT I PROPOSE TO PUT ON THERE DO GO TO THAT, TO BEING
10:39:54AM A STAKEHOLDER.
10:39:55AM WHY WOULD WE PRECLUDE PEOPLE BEING ON THIS BOARD IF THEY OWN
10:39:59AM PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:39:59AM OR IF THEY WORKED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:40:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:02AM MR. SHELBY.
10:40:03AM ITEM NUMBER 64, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAD YOUR HAND
10:40:07AM AND COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:40:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ME?
10:40:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANTED TO PROCEED WITH 64.
10:40:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 64 IS A PREDICATE FOR BEING ABLE TO
10:40:16AM CONSIDER.
10:40:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DIDN'T SEE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
10:40:20AM MICROPHONE --
10:40:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: I 100% SUPPORT THE APPOINTMENT OF JOE GRECO,
10:40:29AM WHETHER 64 PASSES OR NOT, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HIM AND VOTE
10:40:33AM FOR HIM.
10:40:33AM I DON'T THINK WE NEED 64 TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
10:40:38AM I DON'T AGREE WITH ITEM 64 AT ALL.
10:40:41AM I ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT.
10:40:43AM I THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO VOTED AGAINST IT.
10:40:46AM TWO OF US VOTED AGAINST IT, TO CHANGE THE RESIDENCY
10:40:49AM REQUIREMENT.
10:40:49AM I THINK THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT AND WE'LL BE
10:40:54AM RIGHT BACK WHERE WE ARE -- WHERE WE WERE.
10:40:58AM THE THING IS WE CAN'T -- WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS
10:41:04AM REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE IN TAMPA, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
10:41:06AM HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTE TIME, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
10:41:10AM POSITIONS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE ALREADY.
10:41:12AM I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO OWN LAND OR PEOPLE
10:41:16AM INVOLVED IN SOME OTHER WAY.
10:41:17AM I'M VERY INVOLVED IN ST. PETERSBURG, BUT I DON'T PRETEND --
10:41:22AM THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD ASK TO BE APPOINTED TO A BUDGET
10:41:25AM COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG.
10:41:26AM I'M MORE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN ST. PETE THAN
10:41:30AM A LOT OF THE BUSINESS PEOPLE OVER THERE.
10:41:31AM BUT I WOULD NEVER THINK THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT A RESIDENT THAT
10:41:35AM I SHOULD BE INVOLVED THERE.
10:41:36AM I'M INVOLVED IN A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
10:41:42AM I OWN PROPERTY IN ANOTHER CITY.
10:41:44AM JUST BECAUSE I OWN PROPERTY THERE, I WOULD NEVER PRETEND TO
10:41:48AM WANT TO SIT ON A BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:41:50AM I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS SHOULD DO THAT.
10:41:51AM I THINK THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IS PASS A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION FOR
10:41:55AM JOE GRECO, AND WE CAN APPROVE HIM WITH A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION
10:41:59AM THAT PERTAINS TO HIM.
10:42:00AM I THINK HE IS IN A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE OF HIS
10:42:03AM EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND AND HE LIVES ON A BOAT.
10:42:07AM MAYBE THERE IS AN EXCEPTION WE CAN HAVE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE
10:42:10AM ON BOATS.
10:42:11AM I THINK BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR FIRE RESCUE
10:42:15AM OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND THE LACK OF INVESTMENT IN FIRE
10:42:17AM RESCUE OVER THE LAST TEN OR SO YEARS, WE NEED TO -- WE NEED
10:42:21AM THAT PERSPECTIVE IN PARTICULAR GOING FORWARD.
10:42:24AM THANK YOU.
10:42:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:42:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT FROM A LEGAL
10:42:28AM PERSPECTIVE.
10:42:29AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:42:30AM COUNCIL, THIS IS A FORMAL RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY CITY
10:42:33AM COUNCIL.
10:42:34AM IT CONTAINS CERTAIN CRITERIA.
10:42:36AM THERE IS NO BASIS FOR A WAIVER.
10:42:39AM MY SUGGESTION, WHICH I PROVIDED TO COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD
10:42:44AM BE TO COUNCIL HAVE -- CONSIDER CREATING AN EXPANSION OF THE
10:42:49AM CRITERIA TO ALLOW THAT RESOLUTION TO BE CONSIDERED.
10:42:53AM MY SUGGESTION IS THAT -- NUMBER 64 DOES NOT PASS, IT WOULD
10:43:02AM BE MY LEGAL OPINION THAT ITEM NUMBER 4 IS OUT OF ORDER AND
10:43:05AM COULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
10:43:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:43:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT AND SAY WE JUST
10:43:13AM MODIFY THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.
10:43:14AM WE DON'T NEED A SEPARATE ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION.
10:43:18AM WE JUST MODIFY THE ORIGINAL ONE.
10:43:20AM I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA DOESN'T WANT TO DELAY.
10:43:25AM I DON'T WANT TO DELAY.
10:43:26AM MR. GRECO IS HERE.
10:43:27AM I THINK THAT THIS CAN EASILY BE RESOLVED.
10:43:29AM I HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY ISSUE BUT
10:43:33AM SEEMS LIKE AN EASY THING TO RESOLVE.
10:43:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: INSTEAD OF ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION,
10:43:37AM OFFERING SOME KIND OF WAIVER SPECIFICALLY FOR MR. GRECO.
10:43:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: OR MODIFYING THE RESOLUTION.
10:43:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS DOES MODIFY THE RESOLUTION.
10:43:46AM THE RESOLUTION WILL HAVE TO BE RECRAFTED WITH THAT LANGUAGE
10:43:50AM ADDED.
10:43:51AM IN OTHER WORDS -- AND THE THING IS, RATHER THAN GET IN THE
10:43:55AM SUBJECT OF MODIFYING THE RESOLUTION AND HAVING TO REPRINT IT
10:44:00AM IN ITS ENTIRETY, I DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN THAT UP FOR WHOLE
10:44:04AM DISCUSSION, BEYOND WHAT WAS REQUESTED IN THE MOTION.
10:44:06AM IF COUNCIL --
10:44:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, MR. SHELBY.
10:44:10AM I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, IF WE PASS A RESOLUTION
10:44:13AM TODAY, APPOINT MR. GRECO TODAY AND THEN COME BACK WITH
10:44:17AM ANOTHER RESOLUTION THAT ADDS IN THAT WAIVER AND EVERYTHING
10:44:22AM --
10:44:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT RESOLUTION WILL BE -- I WILL REPRINT
10:44:25AM THAT RESOLUTION TO COMPORT IT WITH THIS RESOLUTION EXPANDING
10:44:31AM THE CRITERIA.
10:44:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE IS THE THING.
10:44:35AM WE ALREADY APPROVED SOMEONE USING THE OLD ONE THAT DOESN'T
10:44:40AM LIVE IN THE CITY.
10:44:40AM I DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE.
10:44:42AM I'LL GO ON BECAUSE IT'S MY TURN.
10:44:45AM THIS IS NOT A STAKEHOLDER BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:44:47AM IT IS NOT.
10:44:48AM QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK NOW KNOWING THAT ANDY JOE
10:44:53AM SCAGLIONE SHOULD BE ON THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:44:56AM I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO GO THE EXACT OPPOSITE WAY AND
10:44:59AM BASICALLY SAY, IF YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN, YOU SHOULDN'T SERVE
10:45:02AM ON THIS BOARD.
10:45:03AM THERE ARE 400,000 PLUS, PROBABLY, 410 NOW, 400,000 PLUS
10:45:09AM PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE THAT COULD DO THIS JOB.
10:45:13AM I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
10:45:15AM I'M SURE HE'S A WONDERFUL PERSON.
10:45:17AM IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER ADDING THOSE THREE -- AND I DON'T
10:45:22AM THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.
10:45:23AM THREE STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE UNIONS, I THINK THAT'S A
10:45:27AM WONDERFUL IDEA.
10:45:28AM I THINK HE WOULD BE PERFECT THERE.
10:45:30AM I THINK THAT IS AN AREA WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT A POSSIBLE
10:45:33AM WAIVER FOR THE PERSON WHO WOULD BE BEST SUITED TO FIT THAT
10:45:37AM JOB.
10:45:38AM BUT THIS IS A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:45:40AM WE DO IT FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER COMMITTEE.
10:45:44AM YOU CAN'T BE A VARIANCE REVIEW PERSON AND LIVE IN PASCO.
10:45:47AM YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
10:45:48AM IT IS NOT THE RULE.
10:45:52AM IT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE RULE.
10:45:55AM IF WE START MAKING ALL THESE SLIGHT CHANGES, THEN ALL OF A
10:45:58AM SUDDEN THE MAYOR COULD LIVE IN PASCO.
10:46:01AM I'M JUST EXTRAPOLATING.
10:46:03AM I WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PAY THEIR TAXES HERE, LIKE
10:46:07AM PERSONAL TAXES.
10:46:08AM I WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR GARBAGE BEING
10:46:10AM PICKED UP.
10:46:12AM I WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES
10:46:15AM AND THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO EVERY DAY IN THEIR
10:46:17AM PERSONAL LIVES TO BE ON THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY
10:46:21AM COMMITTEE.
10:46:22AM I'LL GO THE EXACT OPPOSITE WAY.
10:46:24AM NEITHER VOTE FOR 64 NOR 4.
10:46:26AM BUT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE EXPANSION TO INCLUDE THE
10:46:33AM UNIONS ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD.
10:46:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:46:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I MAKE A COMMENT?
10:46:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:46:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST AS AN ASIDE, THIS BOARD HAS TO COMPLY
10:46:44AM WITH THE STATE CODE OF ETHICS AND THE CITY CODE OF ETHICS
10:46:48AM RELATIVE TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
10:46:50AM THEY CANNOT VOTE OR PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING THAT -- OR THEY
10:46:54AM CAN.
10:46:54AM I GUESS THEY COULD PARTICIPATE, BUT STILL CANNOT VOTE IF I
10:46:57AM RECALL FOR APPOINTEES.
10:46:59AM ANYTHING THAT INURES TO THEIR SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS.
10:47:02AM ANYTHING RELATED TO HAVING THIS UNION ON THIS BOARD, THEY
10:47:05AM PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE -- SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO
10:47:10AM CONFLICT OF INTEREST CHARGES.
10:47:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN MAYBE LIKE WE DO FOR SOME OTHER BOARDS,
10:47:15AM A NONVOTING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
10:47:18AM STILL COULDN'T DO THAT?
10:47:20AM >> NO.
10:47:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:47:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T VOTE?
10:47:25AM SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
10:47:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NONVOTING MEMBERS.
10:47:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
10:47:32AM THEN WHAT YOU HAVE, SO YOU'RE SAYING THOSE NONVOTING MEMBERS
10:47:35AM WHO HAVE A STAKE IN SOMETHING, YOU WANT THEM TO APPEAR --
10:47:38AM PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY.
10:47:41AM IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
10:47:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FAIR THEN.
10:47:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE'VE HAD MEMBERS OF UNION COME IN THERE.
10:47:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:47:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY ISSUE, AND HAVING A LABOR BACKGROUND, I
10:47:55AM HAD A CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE.
10:48:00AM I BELIEVE IN PROTECTING THE PROCESS, CREATING THE STRUCTURE
10:48:03AM FAIR, EQUITABILITY, A RULE FOR ONE IS A RULE FOR ALL.
10:48:08AM IT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO CRAFT A RULE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED
10:48:14AM FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL TODAY MAY BE
10:48:17AM A GREAT PERSON, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL TOMORROW THERE MAY BE
10:48:20AM OTHER MOTIVATIONS, SO WE CREATE THESE PROCESSES SO THAT WE
10:48:24AM HAVE STANDARDIZATION AND EXPECTATIONS SO EVERYBODY ACROSS
10:48:27AM THE CITY, ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE CITY UNDERSTAND WHAT
10:48:30AM THAT PROCESS IS.
10:48:32AM LIKE TO READ A DEFINITION FROM WEBSTER DICTIONARY, CITIZEN,
10:48:38AM A NOUN, INHABITANT OF A CITY OR TOWN.
10:48:40AM IT'S A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:48:43AM IT'S IN THE DEFINITION.
10:48:46AM WE USE THE DEFINITIONS FOR OUR CITY BUSINESS.
10:48:50AM I THINK IT'S JUST AS CLEAR AS THAT.
10:48:52AM I'VE KNOWN JOE A LONG TIME.
10:48:55AM I KNOW WHAT A FINE UPSTANDING INDIVIDUAL.
10:48:58AM IT'S NOT -- THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL OR MULTIPLE
10:49:02AM INDIVIDUALS.
10:49:02AM I THINK IT'S ABOUT CREATING A FAIR AND EQUITABLE PROCESS SO
10:49:06AM PEOPLE HAVE AN EQUAL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THESE
10:49:08AM COMMITTEES ARE AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR.
10:49:12AM IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE SOMETHING, I WOULD ACTUALLY PROPOSE A
10:49:18AM SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT AND MIRROR THE PROCEDURE THAT WE HAVE
10:49:22AM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION WITH OUR SENIOR LEVEL STAFF ON WHAT
10:49:29AM OUR EXISTING POSITION IS, SENIOR LEVEL STAFF WITH RESIDENCY
10:49:33AM REQUIREMENTS IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE THIS.
10:49:36AM WE SHOULD NOT DO WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE.
10:49:40AM WE SHOULD STILL HAVE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IT TAKES TO
10:49:42AM SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT THEN GRANT CITY COUNCIL THE
10:49:44AM ABILITY TO GRANT WAIVERS A YEAR AT A TIME UP TO X AMOUNT OF
10:49:50AM YEARS SO THAT AT LEAST IT'S THE SAME STANDARDIZED PROCEDURE
10:49:53AM FOR ONE, FOR ALL, NOT CRAFTED SPECIFICALLY FOR ONE
10:49:57AM INDIVIDUAL.
10:49:57AM AND THEN WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT BITE AT THE APPLE.
10:50:01AM IF THERE WAS AN APPETITE FOR THAT AT THIS COMMITTEE TO CRAFT
10:50:04AM A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION TO MIRROR WHAT WE DO WITH THE SENIOR
10:50:10AM LEADERSHIP FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEN I'M WILLING TO GO
10:50:13AM DOWN THAT PATH BUT NOT WILLING TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF
10:50:16AM CRAFTING A RULE JUST SPECIFICALLY SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ONE
10:50:19AM INDIVIDUAL.
10:50:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, MR. CLENDENIN, THAT HAS NOT COME
10:50:23AM BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION YET, HAS IT?
10:50:26AM WHO EXACTLY THAT RELATES TO.
10:50:29AM YOU HAVE NOT MADE THAT DECISION FORMALLY YET, IS THAT
10:50:32AM CORRECT?
10:50:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE NOT.
10:50:34AM SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.
10:50:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:50:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:50:37AM I'M JUST LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.
10:50:42AM CERTAINLY, YOU CAN LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, RUN FOR COUNTY
10:50:45AM COMMISSION.
10:50:45AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:50:46AM HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T BE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER LIVING IN
10:50:50AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:50:51AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:50:52AM ASIDE FROM THOSE TWO THINGS, I HAVE A HARD FEELING
10:50:58AM UNDERSTANDING HOW WE PICK INDIVIDUALS TO BE DEPARTMENT HEADS
10:51:00AM WHEN YOU FIRST REQUIREMENT IS YOU'VE GOT TO LIVE IN THE
10:51:03AM CITY.
10:51:03AM YOU WANT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST OR SOMEBODY THAT LIVES
10:51:06AM IN THE CITY?
10:51:07AM THAT IS A THING, IN MY MIND, ANYWAY.
10:51:10AM WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO?
10:51:11AM I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE THAT IS THE MOST QUALIFIED, THAT
10:51:24AM UNDERSTANDS AND PAYS TAXES IN THE CITY, THAT HAS EITHER A
10:51:27AM BUSINESS OR A COMMITMENT TO THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
10:51:32AM BE ON THE CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD.
10:51:34AM I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU ARE.
10:51:35AM I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU
10:51:38AM DON'T HAVE.
10:51:39AM I DON'T CARE ABOUT NONE OF THAT.
10:51:40AM BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PRECLUDE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST
10:51:45AM FROM APPLYING -- I'LL TELL YOU THE SMARTEST MAN I EVER MET I
10:51:52AM DIDN'T KNOW.
10:51:53AM THAT IS THE GENTLEMAN WE HIRED TO RUN THE CRA.
10:51:56AM WE HIRED HIM IN THE MORNING AND TURNED US DOWN IN THE
10:51:58AM AFTERNOON.
10:51:59AM HE HAD TO RELOCATE FROM WHEREVER HE WAS, ORLANDO OR
10:52:06AM SOMEPLACE.
10:52:07AM TO PUT SOMEBODY IN THAT STRESSFUL THING, FIND ANYTHING YOU
10:52:11AM WANT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA UNDER $450,000 AND YOU'RE NOT
10:52:15AM FINDING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A TEARDOWN.
10:52:18AM WE HAVE CREATED THIS AMBIENCE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
10:52:24AM MAYBE THE PEOPLE REALLY LIKE TAMPA AND ALL WANT TO MOVE HERE
10:52:28AM AT THE SAME TIME.
10:52:28AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:52:32AM MAYBE IT'S THE WEATHER.
10:52:35AM MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T SNOW THAT OFTEN HERE.
10:52:37AM MAYBE NEVER.
10:52:38AM ONCE I THINK IN MY LIFE.
10:52:40AM WHAT IS IT WE'RE LOOKING FOR?
10:52:43AM WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE BEST OR LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS
10:52:48AM THE CRITERIA TO SAY I LIVE IN THE CITY.
10:52:53AM YOU MIGHT LIVE IN THE CITY TODAY, BUT THE WAY IT'S GOING
10:52:57AM FROM WHAT I SEE HERE AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING GOOD
10:53:00AM NEIGHBORHOOD BROUGHT IN ABOUT THE APARTMENTS AND SO FORTH
10:53:03AM AND THE COST OF RENTS, THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY
10:53:07AM BETTER.
10:53:10AM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
10:53:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:53:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:53:15AM THIS IS WHAT I PROPOSE TODAY, COUNCIL, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I
10:53:17AM THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CALLS FOR COMMONSENSE AND
10:53:20AM PRAGMATISM.
10:53:21AM WHAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID I THINK MAKES SENSE.
10:53:24AM THIS IS WHAT I SAY BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CARLSON ALSO BROUGHT
10:53:27AM UP A GOOD POINT.
10:53:28AM WE HAVE MR. GRECO HERE.
10:53:29AM WE WANT TO CONFIRM HIM HERE TODAY.
10:53:31AM I PROPOSE THAT WE PASS THE RESOLUTION TO ALLOW MR. GRECO TO
10:53:34AM GO WITH THE RULE CHANGE AND THEN I SIMILARLY MOTION TO HAVE
10:53:38AM A NEW RULE CHANGE FOR THE WAIVER AS PROPOSED BY COUNCILMAN
10:53:41AM CLENDENIN.
10:53:42AM THAT GETS EVERYTHING DONE.
10:53:43AM EVERYBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT, I THINK.
10:53:45AM IT'S A PRETTY GOOD COMPROMISE.
10:53:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T QUITE FOLLOW.
10:53:51AM ON WHAT BASIS -- ARE YOU SAYING TAKE UP NUMBER 4?
10:53:54AM TAKE UP NUMBER 64.
10:53:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: 64 AS IS.
10:53:58AM WE CONFIRM MR. GRECO TODAY.
10:54:00AM AND THEN THAT CAUSES US TO LOOK AT THE LARGER ISSUE OF
10:54:05AM WAIVERS -- COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:54:08AM I'M ON BOARD.
10:54:09AM I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
10:54:10AM I THINK THAT IS A GREAT COMPROMISE.
10:54:11AM GET IT DONE TODAY LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
10:54:14AM I WANT TO BE PRAGMATIC LOOKING AT THE GREATER GOOD AND
10:54:17AM MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY.
10:54:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
10:54:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER --
10:54:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T SUPPORT YOUR MOTION EITHER BECAUSE,
10:54:26AM QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HIRING.
10:54:29AM WE'RE LOOKING AT A CITIZEN WHO HAS INTEREST IN AND BUDGET
10:54:38AM EXPERIENCE.
10:54:38AM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD FILL THIS ROLE.
10:54:41AM I DON'T DOUBT THAT MR. GRECO IS A WONDERFUL PERSON.
10:54:44AM I DON'T KNOW HIM BUT I DON'T DOUBT IT.
10:54:46AM I'VE HEARD WONDERFUL THINGS.
10:54:47AM SURE HE'S DONE GREAT THINGS.
10:54:49AM BUT THERE ARE 400,000 PLUS PEOPLE WHO CAN DO A JOB THAT IS
10:54:54AM NOT A JOB.
10:54:55AM IT IS LITERALLY A VOLUNTEER POSITION THAT IN THE FIRST WORD
10:54:59AM IN THE TITLE IS CITIZEN.
10:55:00AM SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HIRING SOMEONE.
10:55:05AM LIKE, I CAN SEE IF WE'RE HIRING, YEAH, SEE IF WE'RE HIRING
10:55:09AM SOMEONE, BUT WE'RE NOT.
10:55:11AM WE'RE SIMPLY CHOOSING.
10:55:12AM BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE TELLING THE CITIZENS
10:55:16AM OF TAMPA THAT THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO HOLD THIS JOB.
10:55:20AM AND I JUST -- I THINK THAT'S AN AFFRONT.
10:55:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:55:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: AS IT IS NOW, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST 64 FOR
10:55:31AM THOSE SAME REASONS AND THE REASONS I MENTIONED BEFORE.
10:55:33AM WHAT I HEARD AS THE PROPOSED COMPROMISE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:55:38AM CLENDENIN WAS THAT WE WOULD MODIFY THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION
10:55:44AM TO SAY THAT RESIDENCY WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHATEVER THE
10:55:47AM CHARTER CALLS FOR SENIOR STAFF.
10:55:50AM SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE VOTERS VOTE FOR THAT CHANGE IN THE
10:55:55AM FALL, THEN THAT WOULD CHANGE.
10:55:57AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT RESOLVES THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE.
10:55:59AM BUT I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR 64 AS IT IS.
10:56:02AM IF YOU ALL WANTED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE TO MATCH WHAT IT SAYS
10:56:07AM IN THE CHARTER, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
10:56:08AM ALSO, MARTY, I DON'T HAVE THE CHARTER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT ON
10:56:12AM THAT RESIDENCY, DOESN'T IT REQUIRE MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE,
10:56:17AM DOESN'T THE CHARTER REQUIRE MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE TO HAVE
10:56:20AM RESIDENCY?
10:56:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDER THE CHARTER, BOARDS SPECIFICALLY
10:56:26AM MENTIONED POLICE AND FIRE PENSION BOARDS.
10:56:28AM I BELIEVE THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION AND THE VARIANCE
10:56:32AM REVIEW BOARD.
10:56:36AM AND THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS OUT THERE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT
10:56:43AM SPECIFY SPECIFICALLY PARTICULAR OCCUPATIONS AS
10:56:46AM QUALIFICATIONS.
10:56:47AM IT'S NOT JUST MERELY RESIDENCY.
10:56:49AM ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
10:56:52AM SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS FOR --
10:56:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF INFORMATION.
10:56:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:56:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, IF WE WANTED TO OFFER A
10:57:02AM SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT TODAY THAT REFLECTED THE SAME CRITERIA
10:57:06AM THAT WE UTILIZED FOR THE SENIOR STAFF OF THE CITY.
10:57:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TODAY.
10:57:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TODAY.
10:57:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH IS WHAT EXACTLY?
10:57:13AM LET ME TAKE A LOOK.
10:57:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HENCE MY QUESTION.
10:57:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY THE WAY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
10:57:25AM YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PASS IT TODAY SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE
10:57:29AM CONTINUED.
10:57:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.
10:57:31AM YOU KNOW THE APPOINTMENTS ARE FOR TWO YEARS ONLY.
10:57:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THEY ARE UNTIL THE END OF YOUR
10:57:38AM TERM AND THERE'S REALLY NO --
10:57:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO TWO YEARS.
10:57:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TWO YEARS FROM TODAY OR WHATEVER YOUR
10:57:45AM REMAINING TERM IS.
10:57:47AM AGAIN, THESE ARE APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE NOT DONE BY
10:57:51AM APPLICATION OPEN AND GENERALLY.
10:57:54AM THEY ARE YOUR APPOINTEES.
10:57:56AM YOU SELECT THEM AND YOU PRESENT THEM TO COUNCIL AS WE DID IN
10:57:58AM THIS CASE.
10:57:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:58:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:58:01AM SO, FIRST, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FOR 64, SEE WHERE THAT
10:58:07AM GOES.
10:58:07AM WHAT I WANT, SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO MOVE FOR 64, IS MR.
10:58:10AM SHELBY, COULD WE DO A RESOLUTION TODAY MERELY SAYING THAT
10:58:14AM RESIDENCY CAN BE WAIVED, RIGHT?
10:58:16AM AND WE VOTE ON IT LATER TODAY.
10:58:18AM CAN WE DO THAT?
10:58:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
10:58:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHY IS THAT, IF I MAY ASK?
10:58:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST OF ALL, ARE YOU CREATING WITHIN THE
10:58:26AM ORDINANCE -- YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE
10:58:29AM -- IT PRESENTLY STATES RESIDENCY IS A REQUIREMENT.
10:58:32AM SO YOU'RE REQUESTING A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS THAT THAT
10:58:35AM PROVISION CAN BE WAIVED.
10:58:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:58:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH BEGS -- OKAY.
10:58:42AM ON WHAT, A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE?
10:58:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: HOWEVER IT IS.
10:58:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT AND IT SHOULD
10:58:50AM BE IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO -- IT
10:58:54AM SHOULD BE AMENDED.
10:58:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY COULDN'T I JUST DO A SUBSTITUTE
10:59:01AM AMENDMENT TO 64 PLACING THE LANGUAGE IN THAT WE WANT TO THAT
10:59:05AM REFLECTS THE SAME CRITERIA, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION USES --
10:59:10AM WHY COULDN'T WE DO A SUBSTITUTE AND ACT ON THAT TODAY?
10:59:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I GUESS YOU CAN.
10:59:16AM I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
10:59:18AM YOU'RE RELYING ON SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE CHARTER AND I HAVE
10:59:22AM TO MAKE REFERENCE BACK TO THE CHARTER.
10:59:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER
10:59:26AM CONSIDERATION ON 64 UNTIL AFTER LUNCH?
10:59:28AM MARTIN SHELBY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESEARCH THAT AND BRING
10:59:32AM BACK LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN DO A SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT FOR.
10:59:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SO LET ME FIRST TO GET THIS OUT OF THE
10:59:39AM WAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON THIS, SO WE DON'T
10:59:41AM RISK NOT VOTING IN JOE TODAY, WHICH I THINK WE ALL WANT TO
10:59:44AM DO IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, MAYBE UNDER DIFFERENT
10:59:47AM CIRc*msTANCES, WHICH I RESPECT IS, LET ME FIRST MOVE 64 JUST
10:59:50AM TO GET THAT ISSUE OUT OF THE WAY.
10:59:52AM I MOVE 64.
10:59:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER.
10:59:57AM IF YOU MOVE 64 AND IT FAILS, IT'S GONE AND WE CAN'T GO
11:00:00AM SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT ON IT.
11:00:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE ARE ALWAYS MOTIONS FOR
11:00:04AM RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS FROM SOMEBODY ON THE
11:00:07AM PREVAILING SIDE.
11:00:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT THIS THEN.
11:00:10AM MR. SHELBY, LET ME DEFER ON 64 UNTIL SUCH TIME TODAY.
11:00:16AM MY QUESTION THAT ALL I WANT ASKED IS CAN WE AMEND THE
11:00:19AM RESOLUTION TO SAY THAT THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT CAN BE
11:00:22AM WAIVED?
11:00:22AM CAN YOU DO THAT AFTER LUNCH?
11:00:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
11:00:27AM I CAN AT LEAST REPORT BACK AFTER LUNCH, CERTAINLY.
11:00:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS TO AFTER
11:00:33AM LUNCH FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:00:35AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:00:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:00:37AM AYE.
11:00:38AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:00:39AM >> NAY.
11:00:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, I DID THAT --
11:00:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT HER TO READ THE VOTE.
11:00:44AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND
11:00:49AM HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
11:00:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DID THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR
11:00:55AM 64.
11:00:56AM IF THAT GOES DOWN, IT IS WHAT IT IS, IT COULD SINK THE WHOLE
11:01:00AM SHIP FOR TODAY AND I WANT THE SHIP TO SAIL TODAY
11:01:02AM POTENTIALLY.
11:01:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE'S MY QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY.
11:01:08AM WE LITERALLY HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW WHO ISN'T
11:01:10AM A RESIDENT AND WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT PERSON.
11:01:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT PERSON WAS APPROVED -- WELL, THAT IS A
11:01:17AM MORE COMPLEX QUESTION BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO WHETHER THERE
11:01:22AM WERE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THE RESIDENCY WAS DONE AT THE
11:01:26AM TIME.
11:01:26AM IF THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT THAT
11:01:31AM HAS PRACTICAL EFFECTS IF THIS DOESN'T PASS.
11:01:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS NOT ON THIS.
11:01:42AM I WAS INFORMED THAT THE ITALIAN CLUB WILL NOT BE COMING
11:01:44AM TODAY.
11:01:44AM SO I DO A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA, IF I MAY.
11:01:48AM LET ME SUBSTITUTE THAT WITH, FIRST, THE BUDGET ADVISORY
11:01:55AM BOARD, WE'LL HAVE THAT HEARD FIRST AFTER LUNCH.
11:01:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:02:00AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:02:01AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:02:02AM AYE.
11:02:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ITALIAN CLUB IS ITEM 63?
11:02:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:02:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT NUMBER 4?
11:02:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WILL COME BACK AFTER LUNCH.
11:02:12AM IT WILL BE AS PART OF 64.
11:02:14AM ITEM NUMBER 5, THIS IS A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE
11:02:23AM APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR OF CATHERINE COYLE.
11:02:26AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND FROM
11:02:29AM MIRANDA.
11:02:29AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:02:30AM AYE.
11:02:30AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:02:31AM ITEM NUMBER 11 IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.
11:02:40AM WE'LL HEAR THAT UNDER STAFF REPORTS AS YOU REQUESTED,
11:02:43AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:02:44AM MOVE ITEMS 6 THROUGH 13 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 11.
11:02:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE 6 THROUGH 13 EXCEPT FOR 11.
11:02:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:02:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:02:52AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:02:53AM AYE.
11:02:53AM >>LUIS VIERA: BY THE WAY, CAN I GET 11 OUT OF THE WAY REALLY
11:02:57AM FAST?
11:02:57AM JUST TO LET FOLKS KNOW, THIS IS THE SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL
11:03:03AM ZONES THAT I THINK IS GREAT.
11:03:04AM I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO TRACI KOSTER, STATE
11:03:08AM REPRESENTATIVE, PART PINELLAS, PART HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHO
11:03:10AM WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS.
11:03:12AM REALLY GOOD FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY.
11:03:13AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I STRONGLY SUPPORT.
11:03:16AM VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
11:03:18AM I BELIEVE IT IS 30 MINUTES BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL TIME.
11:03:21AM THE TICKETS ARE LIMITED TO $100, AND YOU HAVE TO BE TEN
11:03:25AM MILES OR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
11:03:27AM SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
11:03:30AM I THINK 13 SCHOOLS, SULPHUR SPRINGS, SHAW, A COUPLE OF
11:03:34AM OTHERS THAT ARE THERE.
11:03:35AM I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS.
11:03:37AM THIS IS SOMETHING, NUMBER ONE THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE
11:03:39AM SPEEDING IN A SCHOOL ZONE, YOU ARE SUSPECT.
11:03:42AM NUMBER TWO, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING AND WANTED TO GIVE
11:03:45AM A SHOUT-OUT TO REPRESENTATIVE KOSTER ON THIS.
11:03:47AM THAT'S ALL.
11:03:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANTED TO SAY SPEEDING IN SCHOOL
11:03:54AM ZONES IS A PROBLEM.
11:03:55AM IT SHOULD BE ENFORCED.
11:03:57AM I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ENFORCE THEM WITH THIS
11:04:01AM TECHNOLOGY.
11:04:02AM HOWEVER, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CITY OUTSOURCING IT TO A
11:04:06AM PRIVATE COMPANY AND THE REVENUE SHARING THAT THE CITY HAS
11:04:11AM PROPOSED.
11:04:11AM WE HEARD TREMENDOUS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE CONTRACTS
11:04:14AM WITH THE RED LIGHT COMPANIES OVER THE YEARS.
11:04:17AM SO I'M IN FAVOR OF USING THE TECHNOLOGY AND ENFORCING.
11:04:23AM I'M AGAINST OUTSOURCING IT TO A PRIVATE COMPANY AND THE
11:04:26AM REVENUE SHARING.
11:04:27AM I'LL BE VOTING NO.
11:04:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CLENDENIN.
11:04:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I TAKE OVER FOR COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
11:04:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS THE ONLY DISSENTING VOTE ON THIS.
11:04:39AM STILL WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS
11:04:42AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST SPOKE OF BUT ALSO SYSTEMIC.
11:04:45AM I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN ISSUE IN THE CONTRACT OF WHEN
11:04:48AM IT EXPIRES THAT IT IS BASED ON THE INSTALLATION OF THE LAST
11:04:53AM CAMERA.
11:04:54AM SO LITERALLY THEY COULD PUT THE LAST CAMERA IN AND GET AN
11:04:58AM AUTOMATIC EXTENSION, WAIT AND PUT THE LAST CAMERA IN AND GET
11:05:01AM A LENGTHY EXTENSION.
11:05:02AM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL.
11:05:04AM I'LL VOTE AGAINST THIS.
11:05:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:05:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT ONLY THIS IS NEEDED, I THINK POLK
11:05:10AM COUNTY HAS A DEAL WITH -- THEY HAVE A DEAL WITH THE CAMERAS
11:05:13AM THAT THEY HAVE ON THE SCHOOL BUS.
11:05:16AM HOW MANY TIMES YOU SEE THAT STOP SIGN COME AND HOW MANY
11:05:19AM REQUIRES -- LIKE GOING TO THE FAIRGROUNDS TO HAVE A NICE
11:05:24AM TIME AT THE FAIR.
11:05:24AM WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
11:05:26AM THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY TO BE.
11:05:28AM THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS.
11:05:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING?
11:05:32AM A VOTE CONNECTED TO THIS?
11:05:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE WHEN YOU APPROVED THE AGENDA, YOU
11:05:36AM WOULD TAKE THIS UP BEFORE STAFF REPORTS.
11:05:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, HE SAID LET'S GET IT OUT OF THE
11:05:40AM WAY.
11:05:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVE.
11:05:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:05:48AM THIS IS JUST FOR 11.
11:05:50AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:05:53AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:05:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
11:05:58AM >> HENDERSON?
11:05:59AM VIERA?
11:06:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:06:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:06:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:06:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:06:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:06:05AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN AND CARLSON
11:06:09AM VOTING NO AND HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
11:06:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK --
11:06:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOVING ITEMS 14 THROUGH 23.
11:06:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:06:18AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:06:20AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:06:20AM AYE.
11:06:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.
11:06:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:06:25AM SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
11:06:26AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:06:27AM AYE.
11:06:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE THING?
11:06:30AM ITEM 21, I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MOVING
11:06:34AM QUICKLY TO FUND COMMUNITY STEPPING-STONES, ESPECIALLY IN
11:06:38AM LIGHT OF THE CLOSURE OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL.
11:06:41AM THIS IS BRINGING NEEDED RESOURCES TO SULPHUR SPRINGS.
11:06:45AM THANK YOU.
11:06:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TOTALLY AGREE.
11:06:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST SO YOU KNOW, ALSO A BUDGET ITEM IN FY
11:06:50AM '25 BUDGET FOR STEPPING-STONES AS WELL, SUPPORT THE PROGRAM.
11:06:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION.
11:06:55AM WE VOTED ON THAT.
11:06:59AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
11:07:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEMS 27 THROUGH 30.
11:07:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:07:05AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:07:05AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:07:06AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, 31 THROUGH 43.
11:07:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO READ 31 -- I NEED TO MOVE 31
11:07:15AM THROUGH 41 AND READ 42 AND 43 SEPARATELY.
11:07:19AM I MOVE 41 -- 31 THROUGH 41.
11:07:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND
11:07:26AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:07:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:07:28AM AYE.
11:07:29AM YES, YOU DO HAVE TO ANNOUNCE 42 AND 43.
11:07:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST READ THE RED PART?
11:07:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
11:07:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE RESOLUTION FILE BF 24-7646, PUBLIC
11:07:44AM HEARING WILL BE HELD REGARDING A PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA
11:07:48AM DESIGNATION FOR THE REHABILITATION AND REDEVELOPMENT OF
11:07:50AM APPROXIMATELY 13.42 ACRES ON ONE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE
11:07:54AM VICINITY OF 2302 EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:07:58AM 33610.
11:08:00AM THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD AT THE MERIDIAN POINT
11:08:04AM APARTMENTS CLUB ROOM LOCATED AT 2450 EAST HILLSBOROUGH
11:08:08AM AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33610 ON AUGUST 15, 2024, AT
11:08:13AM 5:30 P.M. UNTIL NOT LATER THAN 6:30 P.M.
11:08:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:08:18AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:08:20AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:08:21AM AYE.
11:08:22AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:08:22AM ITEM 43.
11:08:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEM 43, FILE NUMBER BF 24-7647 --
11:08:30AM BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION FOR THE REHABILITATION AND
11:08:33AM REDEVELOPMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 0.51 ACRES LOCATED IN THE
11:08:37AM VICINITY OF 2606 EAST 10th AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33605.
11:08:43AM THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD IN THE MANTEGA MEETING ROOM
11:08:47AM IN THE HILTON GARDEN INN TAMPA HISTORIC YBOR CITY LOCATED AT
11:08:51AM 1700 EAST 9th AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33605, ON AUGUST
11:08:57AM 21st, 2024, AT 5:30 P.M. UNTIL NOT LATER THAN 6:30 P.M.
11:09:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:09:05AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:09:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:09:07AM AYE.
11:09:09AM I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A MANTEGA MEETING ROOM.
11:09:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: ME EITHER.
11:09:13AM MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM NUMBER 46.
11:09:17AM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE FORM.
11:09:20AM MY FIRM HAS A CLIENT RELATED TO A COMPANY INVOLVED IN THIS
11:09:23AM MATTER.
11:09:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
11:09:26AM THAT EXTENSION?
11:09:27AM MOTION FROM --
11:09:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION ON RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:09:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL TAKE THE MOTION FROM CARLSON,
11:09:35AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:09:37AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:09:38AM THAT'S JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:09:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 44, 45, 47.
11:09:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
11:09:45AM SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
11:09:45AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:09:46AM AYE.
11:09:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE ITEM 46.
11:09:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:09:50AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:09:52AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:09:53AM AYE.
11:09:54AM THAT IS WITH CARLSON --
11:10:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU READ MY ABSTENTION.
11:10:05AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING AND
11:10:08AM VIERA AND HENDERSON ABSENT.
11:10:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:10:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:10:16AM WE HAVE A LOT OF REVIEW HEARINGS.
11:10:17AM WE'LL STOP FOR LUNCH AT 12:00.
11:10:21AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?
11:10:24AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:10:25AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:10:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:10:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU SAY ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THAT
11:10:31AM WOULD BE 49 AND 50.
11:10:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 49 THROUGH 50 BECAUSE THE REVIEW
11:10:35AM HEARINGS ARE AT 1:30.
11:10:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU DO GET THROUGH THESE IN TIME AND
11:10:43AM EXTRA TIME, PERHAPS OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE STAFF REPORTS BEFORE
11:10:45AM YOU BREAK FOR LUNCH.
11:10:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING.
11:10:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, THAT WAS THE OLD DAYS, MARTY.
11:10:52AM THIS IS A NEW COUNCIL.
11:10:53AM SORRY.
11:10:54AM AS MUCH AS I AGREE.
11:10:56AM ITEM NUMBER 48.
11:10:59AM WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE FOLKS -- WELL, IT IS THE CITY, BUT WE
11:11:03AM DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FOLKS SWORN IN YET.
11:11:06AM YES, MA'AM.
11:11:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND MR. CHAIR.
11:11:09AM McLANE EVANS FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:11:11AM THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE PERMANENT ONE
11:11:16AM DAY A WEEK WATERING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND FOR ALL OF OUR
11:11:21AM SERVICE AREA.
11:11:22AM IT PROVIDES ENFORCEMENT AND ALSO PROTECTION FOR THOSE USERS
11:11:27AM WHO COMPLY.
11:11:29AM WE HAVE STAFF HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS AM I.
11:11:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:11:32AM YES, MA'AM.
11:11:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE AND MAYBE -- I'VE
11:11:43AM BEEN BLANKING ON YOUR LAST NAME, RORY -- MR. JONES.
11:11:47AM MAYBE MR. JONES CAN HELP ANSWER.
11:11:49AM WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF E-MAILS FROM FOLKS WHO ARE NOT
11:11:52AM NECESSARILY JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, MOVING IT DOWN TO ONE
11:11:58AM DAY A WEEK, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN CONCERNS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND
11:12:03AM HOW FOLKS WILL TURN PEOPLE IN AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS.
11:12:09AM SO IF YOU COULD EXTRAPOLATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT PEOPLE CAN
11:12:14AM DO, HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ONE DAY A WEEK WATERING IS
11:12:19AM MAINTAINED, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
11:12:23AM >> WE HAVE AMPED UP OUR PATROLS AND NUMBER OF HOURS THAT
11:12:25AM WE'RE PATROLLING.
11:12:26AM WE HAVE SEEN THE ENFORCEMENT -- THE TICKETS REALLY DROP OFF.
11:12:31AM SO PEOPLE ARE ABIDING BY THAT.
11:12:33AM I AM AND WE ARE HEARING THAT WHEN CITIZENS ARE CALLING IN,
11:12:39AM THEY ARE STILL SEEING THOSE INDIVIDUALS VIOLATE DAY AFTER
11:12:43AM DAY.
11:12:44AM WE ARE FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR ENFORCEMENT TEAM AND HOPING TO
11:12:49AM STOP THAT BEHAVIOR AS WELL.
11:12:51AM IT'S A LEARNING POINT FOR US THAT WE'RE REACTING TO.
11:12:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:12:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: RORY, I THINK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, JUST ASK
11:13:02AM YOU, OKAY IF I ASK --
11:13:03AM >>RORY JONES: YES, YES.
11:13:05AM I HAVE A TEAM HERE TO HELP OUT AS WELL.
11:13:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE LATE NIGHT, EARLY MORNING
11:13:10AM RESPONSES.
11:13:11AM I HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE.
11:13:13AM AND THE WAY THE MEDIA WAS HANDLED, THE WORD PERMANENT WAS
11:13:17AM CIRCULATED.
11:13:19AM I DON'T SEE THAT WORD IN THE ORDINANCE.
11:13:21AM >>RORY JONES: NO.
11:13:22AM THAT WAS REALLY A TERM THAT THE MEDIA GRAVITATED TOWARDS.
11:13:25AM AND THIS IS REALLY A YEAR-ROUND RESTRICTION THAT WE WILL
11:13:28AM CONTINUE TO REVISIT.
11:13:29AM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR DEMANDS AND SEE WHERE WE STAND ON IT.
11:13:33AM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUALLY LOOK AT.
11:13:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT TO THE PUBLIC IS THAT PEOPLE WERE
11:13:38AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE WORD PERMANENT.
11:13:41AM THAT WAS THE BIGGEST FEEDBACK I HEARD.
11:13:43AM AND NOTHING REALLY IS PERMANENT.
11:13:47AM ANY GOVERNMENT BODY CAN UNDUE.
11:13:50AM NOWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT I CAN FIND THAT IT SAYS
11:13:53AM PERMANENT.
11:13:54AM ALL IT MEANS IS WE'RE EXTENDING, INSTEAD OF SEASONALLY,
11:14:00AM EXTENDING YEAR ROUND.
11:14:00AM IF CONDITIONS CHANGE FOR SOME REASON, WE COULD CHANGE IT.
11:14:03AM I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY YOU AND S.W.F.W.M.D. AND TAMPA BAY
11:14:06AM WATER ARE CONSTANTLY MONITORING THAT.
11:14:08AM >>RORY JONES: WE ARE, YES.
11:14:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS -- THERE'S BEEN
11:14:22AM A LOT OF BUZZ ONLINE THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WHAT I CALL
11:14:25AM PURPLE PIPES, USING RECLAIMED WATER TO PUT ON YOUR YARDS,
11:14:29AM NOT FOR DRINKING BUT TO PUT ON YOUR YARDS.
11:14:32AM ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO, THE CITY LAUNCHED THE STAR PROGRAM
11:14:37AM JUST IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR SEVERAL REASONS IT DIDN'T DO WELL
11:14:40AM AND THE CITY STOPPED IT.
11:14:42AM TRYING TO SUMMARIZE.
11:14:43AM CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON ANY OF THIS.
11:14:45AM AS PART OF THE POTABLE DRINKING STUDY FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO,
11:14:51AM THE CITY LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES AND ONE OF THEM WAS THIS
11:14:54AM PURPLE PIPES.
11:14:55AM THE NUMBER CAME OUT REALLY HIGH.
11:14:57AM IN FACT, THE MOST EXPENSIVE ALTERNATIVE.
11:15:00AM I WENT THROUGH WITH OUTSIDE EXPERTS THE NUMBERS AND THE
11:15:03AM MODEL THAT WAS USED.
11:15:04AM I THINK THE MODEL WAS FLAWED IN MANY WAYS.
11:15:08AM AND THE CITY IN THE NEXT ITERATION SAID IT WAS NOT
11:15:15AM APPLICABLE ANYWAY.
11:15:17AM JUST TO ANSWER THE PUBLIC'S QUESTIONS, IS THE CITY LOOKING
11:15:23AM AT EXTENDING PURPLE PIPES AT ALL OR IS THAT DEAD?
11:15:27AM >> WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE OPEN TO ALL SOLUTIONS.
11:15:30AM WE ARE STRATEGICALLY LOOKING AT THAT.
11:15:32AM WE HAVE A GRAPH HERE THAT REALLY SHOWS, WE COULD BE
11:15:41AM STRATEGIC ABOUT THIS.
11:15:41AM THIS GRAPH HERE REPRESENTS 18% OF OUR USERS USE 45% OF OUR
11:15:58AM DEMAND.
11:15:59AM THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING.
11:16:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION.
11:16:04AM WE DO CHARGE HIGHER ABOVE CERTAIN THRESHOLDS.
11:16:06AM AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST INCREASE THAT RATE?
11:16:11AM >>RORY JONES: THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION.
11:16:13AM CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK AT.
11:16:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHY WOULD YOU NOT RECOMMEND THAT?
11:16:16AM >>RORY JONES: IT WAS PART OF THE BOND REPAYMENT PLAN WITH
11:16:19AM THE PIPES.
11:16:20AM SO WE WERE OPENING UP A BIT OF A CAN OF WORMS THERE.
11:16:24AM WE'VE COMMITTED TO THAT REPAYMENT PLAN AND THE FUNDING
11:16:27AM SCHEDULE FOR THAT.
11:16:27AM SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ALL INTO ACCOUNT.
11:16:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD RECOMMEND, BEFORE I RUN OUT OF TIME
11:16:33AM HERE, I WOULD RECOMMEND AND HAPPY TO HELP YOU, YOU SHOULD
11:16:36AM MEET WITH THE REALTORS AND ALSO WITH THE BUILDERS AND THAN,
11:16:45AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO.
11:16:46AM THE REALTORS ARE WORRIED BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW A
11:16:51AM HOUSE AND IF THEY COME ON THE SIXTH DAY, THE GRASS IS BROWN.
11:16:55AM THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
11:16:58AM IT LEADS TO ANOTHER THING.
11:17:00AM SPECIFICALLY, MICROJETS ARE EXCLUDED, CORRECT?
11:17:07AM >>RORY JONES: NO, NO.
11:17:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF SOMEBODY HAS MICROJETS OR MICROWATERING
11:17:14AM DEVICES IN THEIR YARD WATERING, THEY CAN WATER ANY DAY,
11:17:19AM RIGHT?
11:17:20AM >>RORY JONES: MICROIRRIGATION IS EXCLUDED AS LONG AS THE
11:17:22AM EMITTERS ARE LESS THAN 30 GALLONS PER HOUR.
11:17:26AM I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CODE.
11:17:29AM IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
11:17:31AM IT'S A LOW-FLOW, AND WE DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS.
11:17:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T WATER AT ALL.
11:17:37AM I MENTIONED I FINALLY TOOK PART OF COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S
11:17:42AM ADVICE AFTER FIVE YEARS OF LISTENING BY SWITCHING TO
11:17:45AM MICROJETS, MINE WENT DOWN TO A TENTH OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE
11:17:48AM OR LESS.
11:17:49AM FOR PEOPLE USING MICROJETS, IS THERE A NUMBER THEY CAN CALL
11:17:53AM TO TALK TO YOU ALL TO SEE IF THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED?
11:17:57AM >> SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN IRRIGATION EVALUATION PROGRAM THAT
11:18:00AM --
11:18:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR NAME.
11:18:02AM >> SARAH BURNS.
11:18:03AM I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
11:18:05AM WE DO HAVE AN IRRIGATION EVALUATION PROGRAM THAT'S VERY
11:18:09AM SUCCESSFUL.
11:18:09AM OUR TEAM GOES OUT AND WILL MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH HOMEOWNERS
11:18:12AM TO HELP THEM IRRIGATE BETTER.
11:18:14AM A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE FAR RIGHT, PEOPLE ARE NOT
11:18:18AM IRRIGATING APPROPRIATELY.
11:18:19AM THEY DON'T ACTUALLY NEED THAT MUCH WATER TO KEEP THEIR LAWNS
11:18:22AM ALIVE AND WE CAN HELP THEM GET THERE.
11:18:24AM WE HAVE A TEAM OF EXPERTS.
11:18:25AM YOU CAN ALSO HIRE A LICENSED IRRIGATION SPECIALIST WHO IS
11:18:28AM WITH THE FLORIDA IRRIGATION SOCIETY AND THEY ALSO ARE REALLY
11:18:32AM WONDERFUL AT WHAT THEY DO.
11:18:33AM WE CAN HELP PEOPLE LEARN TO USE WATER MORE.
11:18:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW DO THEY CONTACT YOU AND REACH OUT?
11:18:39AM >> JULIA --
11:18:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: WEBSITE OR SOMETHING?
11:18:43AM >> HERNANDEZ, ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST WITH THE CITY OF
11:18:45AM TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT.
11:18:46AM OUR E-MAIL IS SAVEWATER@TAMPA.GOV.
11:18:51AM OUR WEBSITE IS ALSO TAMPA.GOV/SAVEWATER.
11:18:54AM WE CAN ALSO BE REACHED VIA PHONE AT 813-274-8121, OPTION
11:18:58AM NUMBER 5.
11:19:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST THING, THE PRESS CONFERENCE THE
11:19:02AM OTHER DAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WENT TO, THERE WAS AN
11:19:05AM INDIVIDUAL WHO PUT XERISCAPING IN HIS YARD.
11:19:10AM MIRANDA DID IT A LONG TIME AGO.
11:19:11AM WHAT RESOURCE DOES THE CITY HAVE TO HELP OR ANYBODY ELSE
11:19:16AM HAVE?
11:19:16AM INCENTIVES OR REBATES OR WHAT KIND OF --
11:19:20AM >> THERE ARE GRANTS.
11:19:21AM RESEARCHING THE GRANTS.
11:19:23AM PINELLAS COUNTY IS ACTIVE RECIPIENT.
11:19:25AM THEY HAVE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM AS WELL.
11:19:28AM FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING HAS GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE
11:19:31AM LOOKING INTO.
11:19:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYTHING NOW THAT AN INDIVIDUAL, IF THEY
11:19:35AM WANT TO SWITCH -- I'VE GOT PRICES.
11:19:38AM IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.
11:19:39AM ARE THERE ANY REBATES FOR FOLKS --
11:19:42AM >> NOT DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT THROUGH THE
11:19:44AM PROGRAMS YES.
11:19:46AM FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING WORKS WITH THE UF IFAS.
11:19:50AM THEY HAVE AN AGENT HERE LOCALLY THAT CAN ADMINISTER THAT.
11:19:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THAT,
11:20:01AM ALTHOUGH WE CAN BUY FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WE STILL NEED TO
11:20:04AM BE CAREFUL ABOUT CONSERVATION THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
11:20:08AM SO THERE IS A REGIONAL CONSERVATION ISSUE, BUT ALSO THERE IS
11:20:13AM A COST ISSUE.
11:20:15AM PURPLE PIPES, WHATEVER THE FINAL COST WOULD BE EXPENSIVE AND
11:20:18AM ALL RATEPAYERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY SOME OF IT.
11:20:20AM AND IF WE BOUGHT FROM TAMPA BAY WATER SOME OTHER NEW SOURCE,
11:20:24AM IT WOULD INCREASE THE RATES AS WELL.
11:20:26AM SO THERE IS -- PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH -- BUT THERE IS A
11:20:30AM TRADE-OFF BETWEEN COSTS WHICH COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER
11:20:34AM AND CONSERVATION.
11:20:35AM SO I THINK THE PRUDENT THING TO DO RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY IS
11:20:38AM TO FOCUS ON CONSERVATION RATHER THAN CHARGING ALL RATEPAYERS
11:20:42AM MORE.
11:20:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:20:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:20:47AM I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID.
11:20:50AM HOWEVER, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
11:20:51AM THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH USE.
11:20:56AM WE'VE BEEN TRAINED TO USE WHATEVER AMOUNT OF WATER YOU WANT
11:20:59AM EVERY DAY FOR A HUNDRED YEARS OR SO.
11:21:01AM AND THIS WATER IS THE SAME WATER THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND
11:21:04AM THE WORLD FOR THE LAST 300 MILLION YEARS.
11:21:07AM THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND THE CITY OF
11:21:09AM TAMPA, YOU SEE THE RIVER, SEE A LAKE, SEE THE OCEAN, SEE THE
11:21:13AM BAY AND YOU THINK THAT IS THE WATER YOU DRINK.
11:21:15AM IT'S NOT.
11:21:16AM IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO, ALL OF YOU IN
11:21:22AM THE WATER DEPARTMENT, TO CREATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU
11:21:25AM NEED TO DO AND NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT THREE OR FOUR
11:21:29AM ADMINISTRATIONS BACK WE WERE TWO DAYS WITHOUT HAVING ANY
11:21:33AM WATER, AND THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY HAIRY.
11:21:37AM WE BROUGHT SOME PIPES IN FROM WHEREVER WE COULD GET THEM TO
11:21:40AM DRAIN EVERY DROP WE CAN TO BRING IT TO THE HILLSBOROUGH
11:21:43AM RIVER.
11:21:43AM IF WE BROUGHT IN 10 MILLION, ONLY GOT 2.5 MILLION BECAUSE
11:21:47AM THE GROUND WAS SO DRY, SUCK IT UP BEFORE IT GOT TO YOUR
11:21:51AM RESERVOIR.
11:21:51AM WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THAT AND WE LEARNED A LESSON.
11:21:54AM THE LESSON IS DON'T ABUSE IT, JUST USE IT.
11:21:58AM I JUST MADE THAT ONE UP, BY THE WAY.
11:22:00AM WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS DON'T USE IT, HAVE TO CHARGE YOU
11:22:04AM FOR IT.
11:22:05AM BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WITH THESE THINGS, THERE ARE SO MANY
11:22:09AM OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO.
11:22:11AM A, YOUR TOILET FLAPPER.
11:22:13AM IF THAT TOILET FLAPPER IS LEAKING, IT COULD COST YOU 200
11:22:17AM GALLONS OF WATER A DAY.
11:22:20AM AND YOU CAN SOLVE THAT FOR ABOUT SIX BUCKS, THE HOMEOWNER
11:22:25AM CAN.
11:22:25AM JUST DO YOURSELF A FAVOR.
11:22:28AM THINK OF THE 4th OF JULY AND CHRISTMAS, AND EVERY TIME YOU
11:22:31AM HIT THE 4th OF JULY, CHANGE YOUR FLAPPER.
11:22:34AM EVERY TIME YOU HIT CHRISTMAS, CHANGE YOUR FLAPPER.
11:22:38AM INVEST IN YOURSELF AND YOU'LL SAVE MORE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S
11:22:43AM GOING TO LEAK SOONER OR LATER, IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IT, AT
11:22:48AM LEAST ONCE A YEAR, IT WILL LEAK.
11:22:49AM NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A FLAPPER BUT ME.
11:22:51AM THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO THAT IS COSTLY.
11:22:54AM YOU HEARD THE CRAZY GUY SAY THIS.
11:22:57AM EVAPORATION OF WATER IS AS HIGH AS 18% A DAY ANYWHERE.
11:23:03AM IT MAY BE LOWER, BUT GOES AS HIGH AS 18%.
11:23:06AM IF YOU PUT SOLAR PANELS ON DIFFERENT THINGS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
11:23:14AM BYPASS CANAL, YOU SAVE WATER AND YOU BRING IN ENERGY AT ZERO
11:23:19AM COST AFTER YOUR INVESTMENT.
11:23:20AM I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT SOMETHING WE'VE
11:23:23AM GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT FROM NOW ON.
11:23:26AM YES, 24 YEARS AGO I CHANGED EVERYTHING AT THE HOUSE.
11:23:31AM I HAVE NO LAWN.
11:23:33AM YET STILL GREEN THERE.
11:23:35AM PLANTS THAT I DON'T WATER, BUT THEY GROW.
11:23:41AM IN FACT, NOW I'VE GOT TO CHANGE ALL THE ROCK BECAUSE THE
11:23:45AM LINER WENT BAD AND I'VE GOT WEEDS COMING UP.
11:23:48AM I'VE GOT TO DO WORK.
11:23:49AM ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER, I'LL GIVE YOU A JOB WITH ME.
11:23:52AM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO WORK WITH
11:23:54AM THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:23:55AM WE IN THIS WORLD ARE ABUSING OURSELVES AND WE'RE KILLING
11:24:00AM OURSELVES, PERIOD, ON AIR AND WATER.
11:24:02AM AND SOMETHING HAS GOT TO CHANGE.
11:24:04AM I'M NOT THE LEADER FOR THAT.
11:24:06AM SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN ME SHOULD BE.
11:24:09AM BUT I WILL FOLLOW THOSE RULES.
11:24:10AM SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
11:24:13AM I THINK THIS IS PERMANENT UNTIL CHANGED.
11:24:16AM >>RORY JONES: THANK YOU, YES.
11:24:17AM IT IS A CHANGE OF MINDSET AND THIS IS A STEP ONE THAT I
11:24:21AM THINK WATER IS A FUTURE GOAL.
11:24:24AM WE NEED TO START SAVING IT NOW.
11:24:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN
11:24:27AM HURTAK.
11:24:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
11:24:29AM I WANT TO SAY THAT MR. MIRANDA, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD GET AN
11:24:32AM ORANGE JUMP SUIT AND GO OUT AND START MOVING THOSE ROCKS AND
11:24:36AM HAVE A PHOTOGRAPHER THERE TO SHOW YOU IN A JUMP SUIT MOVING
11:24:40AM ROCKS AND YOU CAN USE THAT IN YOUR NEXT CAMPAIGN VIDEO.
11:24:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:24:44AM BUT I THINK THE ROCKS, YOU SHOULD HELP ME WITH THEM.
11:24:47AM GET SOME EXERCISE.
11:24:49AM YOU'VE BEEN GAINING WEIGHT SINCE YOU WERE ELECTED.
11:24:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OW, OW.
11:24:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONLY A FRIENDLY THING.
11:24:57AM I LOVE YOU, MAN.
11:24:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ET TU.
11:25:05AM SO MUCH FOR THE BAGEL I JUST ATE.
11:25:06AM [ LAUGHTER ]
11:25:07AM I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE
11:25:12AM CITY OF TAMPA AND THE REGIONAL RESIDENTS.
11:25:14AM I THINK OUR WATER DEPARTMENT IS DOING A STELLAR JOB.
11:25:16AM I SPOKE WHEN WE WERE IMPLEMENTING THE WATER RESTRICTIONS.
11:25:20AM I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS ON AGAIN/OFF AGAIN BECAUSE
11:25:23AM WATER IN OUR AREA IS A LIMITED RESOURCE.
11:25:26AM QUITE FRANKLY, REGARD THE FACT IT IS LIMITED, IT'S
11:25:29AM EXPENSIVE.
11:25:30AM AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY CHEAPER.
11:25:31AM THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WATER FOR
11:25:35AM THE ABSOLUTE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE COST IS GOING
11:25:39AM TO CONTINUE TO RISE AND HAVING CONSERVATION IS GOING TO KEEP
11:25:43AM THAT UNDER CONTROL AND HELP IT BE AFFORDABLE FOR FOLKS.
11:25:46AM THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
11:25:49AM I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO REEVALUATE THIS EACH TIME.
11:25:52AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING PERMANENT WATER RESTRICTIONS.
11:25:55AM IT MAKES SENSE.
11:25:58AM THE SAME WATER DRINKING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS.
11:26:01AM SAME WATER CIRCULATING.
11:26:03AM PROCESSING AND MAKING IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY IS NOT GOING TO
11:26:06AM GET ANY CHEAPER.
11:26:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:26:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN TALKING ABOUT FLORIDA FRIENDLY
11:26:12AM LANDSCAPING, A REALLY WONDERFUL RESOURCE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT
11:26:14AM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ENOUGH IS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S IFAS.
11:26:17AM JUST CALLING IFAS, I MOVED AN AVOCADO TREE.
11:26:25AM JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- THEY ARE VERY NOTORIOUS FOR
11:26:31AM BEING PICKY WHEN THEY MOVED.
11:26:33AM CALLED THEM.
11:26:34AM GAVE GREAT ADVICE.
11:26:36AM I DIDN'T LEAVE A MESSAGE BUT THEY CALLED ME BACK AND SAID
11:26:40AM THEY GOT A CALL FROM THIS NUMBER.
11:26:42AM VERY RESPONSIVE.
11:26:43AM IFAS CAN HELP YOU WITH SO MANY THINGS, ESPECIALLY FLORIDA
11:26:46AM LANDSCAPING.
11:26:47AM PERSONALLY, I KNOW YOU SAY IT MIGHT CHANGE, OPEN UP A CAN OF
11:26:51AM WORMS, BUT I THINK 45% OF WATER BEING USED BY 18% OF WATER,
11:26:57AM NO PROBLEM OPENING THE IDEA OF AN INCREASE FOR USE OF OVER
11:27:05AM 10,000 GALLONS A MONTH, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL, PRETTY
11:27:08AM MUCH FOR EVERYBODY.
11:27:09AM WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY REVISIT THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
11:27:14AM DOUBLE IT.
11:27:15AM WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
11:27:17AM MAYBE START BY SENDING INFORMATION OUT.
11:27:19AM MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THIS, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, DO
11:27:22AM YOU KNOW YOU USED SO MUCH WATER AND THESE ARE WAYS WE CAN
11:27:26AM HELP YOU.
11:27:26AM BUT ALSO I REALLY DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN INCREASE
11:27:30AM IN FEES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE RESOURCES.
11:27:33AM THIS GOES TO ALL THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
11:27:34AM IF YOU USE MORE, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING MORE.
11:27:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:27:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:27:39AM THREE LITTLE THINGS, QUICKLY.
11:27:41AM I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT VIOLATE ITS OWN
11:27:44AM ORDINANCE.
11:27:45AM THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WATER.
11:27:47AM A LOT OF THINGS WE KEEP UP.
11:27:48AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
11:27:49AM NUMBER TWO, THANK THE DEPARTMENT.
11:27:51AM I GOT A COUPLE OF E-MAILS FROM PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
11:27:54AM CORRESPONDING AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT EVERYTHING
11:27:57AM THEY ASKED WAS ANSWERED.
11:27:58AM THANK YOU ALL PERSONALLY FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
11:28:00AM NUMBER THREE -- WHAT WAS NUMBER THREE?
11:28:04AM I THINK I FORGOT.
11:28:05AM I HAD SO MANY THINGS IN MY HEAD GOING ON.
11:28:08AM THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
11:28:10AM IT'S A WONDERFUL DAY IN TAMPA AND WE'LL GET BETTER.
11:28:15AM >> APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
11:28:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THIS.
11:28:19AM I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT.
11:28:20AM MY OFFICE HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ALL ON THIS,
11:28:23AM FROM 33647 IN NEW TAMPA.
11:28:29AM WE GOT AN E-MAIL, AND YOU ALL AS ALWAYS GREAT TO WORK WITH.
11:28:30AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS OBVIOUSLY VERY INVOLVED IN THE WATER
11:28:33AM ISSUE.
11:28:33AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, JUST A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, ET CETERA.
11:28:36AM THERE WILL BE PROTECTION FROM PENALTIES.
11:28:40AM ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HEARING, ESPECIALLY FROM
11:28:44AM NEW TAMPA BECAUSE WE HAVE HOA, CDDs, ET CETERA, RIGHT, IS
11:28:48AM FOR YARDS, PROTECTION FOR PENALTIES, USERS COMPLYING WITH
11:28:51AM THIS ACTION SHALL NOT BE PENALIZED, FINED, LIEN OR ANY OTHER
11:28:55AM FORM FOR THE PRESENCE OF UNWATERED OR DRY APPEARING TURF
11:28:58AM GRASS UNDER PROPERTY BY THE CITY OR ANY OTHER ENTITY.
11:29:01AM THAT'S GREAT BUT I WANT TO SEE THAT FLESHED OUT MORE.
11:29:04AM I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THAT.
11:29:06AM ALMOST LIKE AN INSURANCE CONTRACT, WELL, THIS IS COVERED.
11:29:09AM YEAH, BUT IF AN ADJUSTOR SAY IT'S NOT COVERED.
11:29:14AM HEY, LISTEN, MY GRASS IS LOOKING IN A DISMAL WAY.
11:29:17AM OH, IT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING IT ONCE A WEEK.
11:29:20AM HOW DO YOU PROVE CAUSATION?
11:29:22AM WHAT I WANT TO SEE AND THIS IS MY CHALLENGE WITH THIS, SOME
11:29:26AM MORE DEFINITION OF THAT.
11:29:28AM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AMENDING IN THE COMING
11:29:32AM WEEKS OR MONTHS?
11:29:32AM I WOULD ASSUME.
11:29:34AM FLESHING THAT MORE OUT.
11:29:37AM GIVING HOMEOWNERS MORE PROTECTION IF THEY REALLY DO BELIEVE
11:29:40AM THAT THIS RESTRICTION ADVERSELY AFFECTS YOUR LAWN.
11:29:44AM TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN FINED IN MY OWN TIME AT HUNTER'S GREEN
11:29:48AM AND BEFORE THAT TAMPA PALMS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
11:29:50AM IT'S NEVER PLEASANT.
11:29:52AM BUT PROVING IT'S BECAUSE OF A GOVERNMENT REGULATION, THAT'S
11:29:55AM A BURDEN THAT A HOUSE CARRIES.
11:29:58AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM AS MUCH ASSISTANCE AS
11:30:01AM WE CAN.
11:30:02AM I DON'T MEAN MONETARY ASSISTANCE.
11:30:03AM I MEAN ASSISTANCE THROUGH GUIDANCE AND REGULATIONS.
11:30:06AM THAT'S MY BIG CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.
11:30:07AM I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM 33647 ON THIS ISSUE, THE NEW TAMPA
11:30:11AM AREA.
11:30:12AM THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG CHALLENGES IS FLESHING THAT OUT MORE.
11:30:18AM >> McLANE EVANS, LEGAL.
11:30:21AM MAY I RESPOND?
11:30:23AM >> OF COURSE.
11:30:24AM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA, I PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HOW THAT
11:30:27AM WAS PHRASED BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS
11:30:32AM WORKING IN COOPERATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND WHETHER OR
11:30:34AM NOT THAT MEETS THEIR STANDARDS.
11:30:36AM THE INTENT THAT I WAS THINKING WAS, AS THE CITY, WE ONLY
11:30:42AM HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF JURISDICTION IN TERMS OF THE FINES
11:30:48AM THAT WE ISSUE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
11:30:50AM HOWEVER, THE WAY IT IS PHRASED, THE "AND ANY OTHER ENTITY"
11:30:56AM WOULD PROVIDE A PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION PROTECTION IF THERE
11:30:58AM IS A DISPUTE BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PARTIES THAT DON'T INVOLVE
11:31:02AM THE CITY.
11:31:02AM I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU OR ANYONE ELSE FROM
11:31:10AM COUNCIL AND TAKE INPUT IF YOU HAVE IDEAS ON HOW TO TIGHTEN
11:31:13AM THAT UP WHILE NOT OVERSTEPPING THE CITY'S LEGAL ABILITY FOR
11:31:17AM ENFORCEMENT.
11:31:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:31:19AM IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL, I WOULD
11:31:21AM LIKE TO SET UP SOMETHING WITH YOURSELF, ME, AND A COUPLE OF
11:31:24AM FOLKS FROM NEW TAMPA, MAGGIE WILSON, AMONG OTHERS, TO TALK
11:31:28AM ABOUT THIS.
11:31:29AM AGAIN, NEW TAMPA IS VERY UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD.
11:31:32AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR THAT.
11:31:35AM AGAIN, SAYING THAT IT'S A DEFENSE, YOU SHOW THAT TO HOA OR
11:31:40AM CDD, THEY GO, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
11:31:42AM THANKS.
11:31:43AM WE'RE STILL FINING YOU.
11:31:45AM AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BIG CHALLENGE IN A LOT OF THESE
11:31:48AM COMMUNITIES, THESE ENTITIES HAVE THE POWER OF PUTTING A LIEN
11:31:50AM ON YOUR HOUSE.
11:31:51AM IF YOU DON'T PAY IT, THEN YOU HAVE ATTORNEYS' FEES AND THEN
11:31:54AM THEY CAN TAKE YOUR HOUSE.
11:31:56AM THAT'S MY BIG CHALLENGE WITH IT AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE
11:31:59AM SOME MORE DEFINITION IN IT.
11:32:01AM THAT'S MY THING.
11:32:02AM AGAIN, GREAT INTENT, ET CETERA.
11:32:05AM I SALUTE ALL THE WORK BEHIND IT.
11:32:09AM DISTRICT 7 PERSON, THAT IS MY BIG CONCERN.
11:32:11AM AGAIN, THAT CAN BE REMEDIED.
11:32:13AM I'LL SET THAT UP.
11:32:14AM BY THE WAY, THAT'S ON ME, WHICH IS WE CAME WITH YOU ALL ON
11:32:18AM THIS IN THE LAST WEEK.
11:32:19AM SHOULD HAVE COME LAST MONTH.
11:32:21AM MEA CULPA OR WHATEVER.
11:32:24AM I WILL BE MEETING WITH YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO WITH NEW
11:32:27AM TAMPA FOLKS TO SEE HOW WE CAN BETTER EQUIP THAT FOR NEW
11:32:31AM TAMPA.
11:32:32AM >> CERTAINLY.
11:32:32AM I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
11:32:34AM ALSO, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THE CITY CAN'T PROVIDE AS
11:32:36AM MUCH SUPPORT AS POSSIBLE IN THE FORM OF OUR PUBLIC RECORDS
11:32:40AM SHOWING THE USERS ACTUAL USE AND RECORDS.
11:32:43AM I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD FIRST STEP IN
11:32:46AM PROVING THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY IRRIGATING ON THEIR
11:32:49AM IRRIGATION DAY.
11:32:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
11:32:52AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
11:32:53AM WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.
11:32:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:32:55AM YESTERDAY, I SO HAPPENED TO GO TO A CITY EVENT CELEBRATING
11:32:59AM THE GREEN TEAM WITH THE CITY.
11:33:01AM I HAPPENED TO SIT NEXT TO A GENTLEMAN FROM THE WATER
11:33:04AM DEPARTMENT AND HE TOLD ME THAT LOOKING AT THE DATA, IT WILL
11:33:10AM BE A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS WITH THESE WATERING RESTRICTIONS
11:33:16AM AND THAT IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH IT.
11:33:18AM I'M BIG WITH PERSONALLY WATER CONSERVATION, JUST IN PERSONAL
11:33:21AM USE.
11:33:22AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT WITH THE SIMPLE
11:33:25AM THING OF JUST CHECKING YOUR TOILET FLAPPER.
11:33:28AM I'M NOT A PLUMBER, I FIX SO MANY TOILETS THAT I SEE HOW MUCH
11:33:33AM WATER IS WASTED.
11:33:34AM I THINK I EVEN FIXED THE ONE IN THE BACK ONE TIME YEARS AGO.
11:33:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A PROBLEM AT MY HOUSE.
11:33:42AM CAN YOU STOP BY MY HOUSE?
11:33:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M NOT LICENSED.
11:33:46AM EVEN BRUSHING OUR TEETH.
11:33:47AM MY OWN FAMILY MEMBERS, I WON'T NAME THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE
11:33:50AM WATCHING, THEY ARE GUILTY IN HOW THEY WASTE WATER,
11:33:52AM ESPECIALLY MY MOTHER.
11:33:53AM I KNOW SHE'S WATCHING.
11:33:55AM SHE KEEPS THAT SINK RUNNING.
11:33:58AM BUT SO MANY LITTLE THINGS THAT ADD UP.
11:34:01AM JUST A TOILET FLAPPER, 200 GALLONS A DAY OF WATER.
11:34:05AM YOU THINK, OH, JUST TRICKLING, MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE.
11:34:08AM SO MANY THINGS.
11:34:10AM I'M NOT GOING TO GO DEEPER AND DEEPER.
11:34:12AM BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
11:34:14AM GREAT DEPARTMENT, GREAT TEAM.
11:34:16AM MANY ARE RIGHT HERE.
11:34:17AM I REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW, 25, 30 YEARS AGO, I THINK THE CITY
11:34:22AM HAD STRICTER RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER GOT CITED.
11:34:26AM I GET IT.
11:34:28AM IT'S RAINY SEASON NOW BUT GETS VERY, VERY DRY.
11:34:32AM WE HAD A VERY DRY TIME THIS YEAR WHERE PEOPLE'S GRASS WAS
11:34:36AM DYING AND WHATNOT.
11:34:37AM AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR WATER AND THE SUPPLY
11:34:41AM AND EVERYTHING.
11:34:41AM CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:34:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU SLID WAY DOWN ON YOUR MOTHER'S
11:34:49AM FAVORITE COUNCILPERSON LIST, WAY DOWN.
11:34:51AM >> QUICK CLARIFICATION.
11:34:52AM DRIP IRRIGATION IS RESTRICTED FOR THE LAWN.
11:34:54AM IT IS NOT FOR PLANTS AND SHRUBS.
11:34:58AM LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON RELATIONSHIP WITH UF IFAS.
11:35:04AM WE HAVE A REALLY SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND FLORIDA
11:35:07AM FRIENDLY.
11:35:09AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, IF NOT, THAT'S FINE.
11:35:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU SEND US THE INFORMATION?
11:35:14AM >> YES.
11:35:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:35:15AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:35:17AM SECOND FROM VIERA.
11:35:18AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:35:18AM AYE.
11:35:19AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:35:21AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:35:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY.
11:35:22AM MOTION TO REOPEN.
11:35:24AM MOTION TO REOPEN AND SECOND.
11:35:26AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:35:26AM AYE.
11:35:27AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 48?
11:35:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE --
11:35:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT.
11:35:49AM >> LAST TIME -- JONES, RIGHT?
11:35:51AM RORY JONES.
11:35:52AM THE LAST TIME MR. JONES WAS HERE, HE SAID ONLY WATERING OUR
11:35:55AM GRASS ONE DAY PER WEEK SAVED THE CITY 6 MILLION GALLONS OF
11:35:59AM WATER PER DAY.
11:36:01AM LET THAT SINK IN.
11:36:02AM WE SAVED 8% OF THE ENTIRE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY PER DAY BY NOT
11:36:08AM WATERING TWICE A WEEK.
11:36:09AM SAVE WATER.
11:36:11AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WE NEED TO QUIT FREAKING
11:36:14AM PUTTING DOWN GRASS.
11:36:15AM EVERY TIME SOD COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL AT LEAST HALF A
11:36:20AM MILLION DOLLARS.
11:36:21AM THEN PISS AWAY MORE WATER AND MORE MONEY TO WATER IT.
11:36:24AM LET'S SPEND THE MONEY ON TREES.
11:36:26AM LET'S PUT DOWN -- GRASS IS THE CHEAPEST TO PUT DOWN BUT IT
11:36:30AM IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.
11:36:32AM THE CITY NEEDS TO QUIT WASTING THEIR MONEY ON GRASS.
11:36:36AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:36:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:36:40AM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:36:42AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:36:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:36:44AM AYE.
11:36:45AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:36:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM NUMBER 48, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
11:36:49AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:36:50AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, PERTAINING TO
11:36:53AM UTILITIES, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES,
11:36:56AM CHAPTER 26 UTILITIES, ARTICLE II WATER, SECTION 26-97 WATER
11:37:01AM CONSERVATION, PROVIDING FOR ONE DAY PER WEEK IRRIGATION;
11:37:06AM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS;
11:37:09AM PROVIDING FOR PROTECTION FROM PENALTIES FOR COMPLIANCE;
11:37:12AM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS
11:37:15AM OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR
11:37:18AM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:37:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:37:21AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:37:23AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:37:24AM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:37:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:37:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
11:37:34AM >> HENDERSON?
11:37:34AM VIERA?
11:37:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
11:37:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:37:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:37:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:37:42AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA VOTING NO AND
11:37:45AM HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
11:37:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, I THINK I WAS CLEAR ON THAT IN MY
11:37:51AM REMARKS.
11:37:52AM AGAIN, MY NO VOTE, I LOOK FORWARD IF THIS COMES BACK TO US
11:37:56AM ONCE WE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS TO CONTINUE MOVING THIS
11:37:58AM FORWARD.
11:37:58AM IT'S OBVIOUSLY A GREAT GOAL.
11:38:00AM AGAIN, MY CONCERNS WITH THE NEW TAMPA ISSUE AND EVERYTHING.
11:38:03AM BUT THAT'S IT.
11:38:04AM THANK YOU.
11:38:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:38:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. JONES, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST
11:38:11AM NIGHT.
11:38:11AM ANYTHING YOU ALL CAN DO TO GO TO THE PUBLIC DIRECTLY BECAUSE
11:38:17AM AS I SAID THIS WORD PERMANENT HIT THE MEDIA AND HOPEFULLY
11:38:21AM THE MEDIA ARE WATCHING AND WON'T USE IT.
11:38:23AM BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S OUT THERE, IT'S SCARING
11:38:26AM PEOPLE.
11:38:27AM YOU TALKED ABOUT MICROJETS AND OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE USED
11:38:31AM TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN GO EVEN NEIGHBORHOOD BY
11:38:34AM NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF YOU CAN DO GROUPS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND
11:38:37AM THAN CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
11:38:39AM THE MORE YOU CAN GET OUT OVER THE NEXT 30, 60 DAYS, THE
11:38:42AM BETTER TO CORRECT THE MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.
11:38:46AM >> THANK YOU.
11:38:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:38:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:38:48AM WE'LL GO TO THIS ALLEY VACATION, VACATING THE ALLEY.
11:38:55AM ITEM 49.
11:38:56AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
11:38:59AM PRESENTING FILE VAC-24-14.
11:39:02AM GET THE CLERK TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
11:39:07AM APPLICANT IS LUIGI NOVEMBRE.
11:39:10AM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1101 EAST JACKSON STREET.
11:39:14AM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY
11:39:17AM LOCATED NORTH OF WASHINGTON STREET, SOUTH OF JACKSON STREET,
11:39:20AM EAST OF BRUSH STREET AND WEST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE.
11:39:25AM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED ON APRIL 29, 2024.
11:39:28AM THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS COORDINATION
11:39:31AM WITH LANDOWNERS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
11:39:34AM RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
11:39:37AM EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY APPROXIMATELY 2007 SQUARE FEET.
11:39:41AM HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW, PROPOSED ALLEY VACATING HERE IN
11:39:46AM YELLOW.
11:39:47AM THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
11:39:56AM BEST IMAGE I HAVE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
11:39:59AM HERE IS CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS SHOWING THE ALLEY IN BLOCK 8
11:40:08AM HERE.
11:40:08AM OTHER PAST VACATINGS.
11:40:12AM HERE IS AN IMAGE, THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM NORTH
11:40:21AM BRUSH STREET.
11:40:24AM HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE ALLEY LOOKING SOUTHWEST FROM
11:40:29AM NEBRASKA AVENUE.
11:40:30AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST, EAsem*nT
11:40:38AM RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY FRONTIER, SPECTRUM AND TECO.
11:40:41AM CONSIST OF NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 AS
11:40:47AM REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY
11:40:50AM IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO ANY VACATED AREA.
11:40:55AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
11:40:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SAMONS?
11:40:58AM NO.
11:40:59AM ALL RIGHT.
11:40:59AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:00AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE?
11:41:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:41:10AM SCOTT GILNER WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES.
11:41:12AM CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
11:41:14AM WITH ME TODAY IS ROBERT LYONS WHO IS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE
11:41:17AM APPLICANT.
11:41:17AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE CONDITIONS.
11:41:21AM WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
11:41:23AM THIS IS FOR THE AURA DEVELOPMENT.
11:41:25AM PROBABLY SEEN THE RENDERINGS THAT COME UP IN TAMPA TOMORROW
11:41:28AM WHATNOT.
11:41:29AM THIS IS BASICALLY TO COMPLETE THE BLOCK SO WE CAN REDEVELOP.
11:41:33AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:41:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: CONFLICT OF INTEREST DISCLOSURE, JOKING, THIS
11:41:42AM FINE GENTLEMAN AND WIFE WORKED WITH ME 20 YEARS AGO.
11:41:49AM >> THANK YOU.
11:41:50AM SHE'S BEEN RETIRED FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
11:41:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK
11:41:55AM ON THIS VACATING?
11:41:56AM WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED.
11:42:01AM IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:42:02AM IF NOT, ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:42:05AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM CLENDENIN AND SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
11:42:07AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:42:08AM AYE.
11:42:08AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:42:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:42:11AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
11:42:14AM CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:42:16AM VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT
11:42:19AM ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF WASHINGTON STREET, SOUTH OF
11:42:22AM JACKSON STREET, EAST OF BRUSH STREET, AND WEST OF NEBRASKA
11:42:25AM AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF DREW'S ADDITION TO TOWN OF TAMPA
11:42:29AM SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
11:42:31AM FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF,
11:42:35AM SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS
11:42:39AM MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR
11:42:41AM ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR
11:42:43AM DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING CONFLICTS;
11:42:47AM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:42:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:42:51AM VIERA.
11:42:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:42:52AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:42:53AM AYE.
11:42:54AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:42:59AM >>THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
11:43:01AM AUGUST 22, 2024, AT 10 A.M. LOCATED AT 315 EAST KENNEDY
11:43:06AM BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:43:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL DO ITEM 50 AND BREAK FOR LUNCH.
11:43:16AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
11:43:19AM PRESENTING FILE VAC-24-15.
11:43:24AM THE APPLICANT IS FAITH HOPE AND LOVE MINISTRIES WITH FRANK
11:43:29AM HARVEY LOGAN, INCORPORATED.
11:43:30AM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 4005 SHORT 30th STREET.
11:43:34AM PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED
11:43:38AM NORTH OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF IDA
11:43:42AM STREET, EAST OF SHORT 30th STREET, AND WEST OF 30th
11:43:45AM STREET.
11:43:45AM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED JUNE 7, 2024.
11:43:51AM THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THIS APPLICATION IS, OUR MINISTRY
11:43:55AM RECENTLY PURCHASED A PROPERTY ON 4005 SHORT 30th STREET
11:44:01AM AND CURRENTLY OWNS THE PARCEL AT 2916 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER
11:44:05AM KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.
11:44:06AM THE PROPERTIES ARE DIVIDED BY A DEAD-END ALLEY.
11:44:07AM THE MINISTRY WOULD LIKE TO VACATE THE ALLEY TO CONNECT THE
11:44:11AM PARCELS.
11:44:11AM WE NEED IT TO LEGALLY CONNECT SEWER AND WATER SERVICES TO
11:44:14AM THE CHURCH WHICH IS NORTH OF THE ALLEY.
11:44:16AM THERE IS CURRENTLY UTILITY REQUEST WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:44:21AM THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
11:44:26AM EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 684 SQUARE FEET.
11:44:29AM HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN
11:44:34AM YELLOW.
11:44:35AM THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS IN RED.
11:44:38AM CSX RAILWAY AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD TO THE
11:44:46AM SOUTH.
11:44:46AM HERE IS THE ALLEY CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
11:44:55AM HERE IS AN IMAGE LOOKING EAST FROM SHORT 30th STREET.
11:45:05AM THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION IS HERE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
11:45:08AM THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM NORTH 30th STREET, APPROXIMATE
11:45:16AM LOCATION SAME BUILDING IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
11:45:19AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE VACATING REQUEST.
11:45:27AM SPECIAL CONDITIONS MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 AS REQUIRED
11:45:31AM TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
11:45:34AM PLACED TO ADJACENT TREES IN VACATED AREA.
11:45:36AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE STAFF REPORT THAT I DID SUBMIT
11:45:40AM HAD -- ORIGINALLY HAD OBJECTIONS FROM TRANSPORTATION AND
11:45:45AM URBAN DESIGN.
11:45:46AM I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THEM BETWEEN NOW AND THAT
11:45:49AM TIME THAT I SUBMITTED AND THEY DID REMOVE THEIR OBJECTIONS
11:45:52AM BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT THE ALLEY WAY
11:45:57AM WIDTH IS SIX FEET, SO IT'S SUBSTANDARD WIDTH IN AN ALLEY
11:46:03AM WAY.
11:46:03AM I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
11:46:04AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
11:46:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
11:46:08AM IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM?
11:46:10AM ITEM NUMBER 50?
11:46:11AM COME ON UP, SIR.
11:46:13AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:46:14AM MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED TO SWEAR THESE FOLKS IN?
11:46:27AM IT DOESN'T SAY --
11:46:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
11:46:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT SAYS PUBLIC HEARINGS ON LEGISLATIVE
11:46:35AM MATTERS BUT NOTHING ELSE.
11:46:37AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:46:38AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
11:46:39AM FRANK HARVEY LOGAN.
11:46:41AM I'M THE MINISTER OF FAITH HOPE AND LOVE MINISTRIES.
11:46:43AM AND THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING AND ADJACENT LOT.
11:46:47AM SO WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING IN APRIL 19th.
11:46:52AM IMMEDIATELY WE TRIED TO ACTIVATE OUR WATER AND GARBAGE
11:46:55AM SERVICES, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BECAUSE OF THIS ALLEYWAY.
11:46:59AM WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD HELP US IN THIS
11:47:02AM SITUATION.
11:47:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:47:03AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:47:04AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
11:47:07AM NUMBER 50?
11:47:07AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:47:11AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:47:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:47:14AM AYE.
11:47:15AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:47:16AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER
11:47:18AM 50?
11:47:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SURE.
11:47:20AM FILE NUMBER VAC 24-15, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:47:27AM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
11:47:30AM TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
11:47:32AM ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER
11:47:35AM KING BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF IDA STREET, EAST OF SHORT 30th
11:47:40AM STREET AND WEST OF 30th STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF NORTH
11:47:43AM CAMPOBELLO SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:47:49AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
11:47:52AM SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
11:47:56AM AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
11:47:59AM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS;
11:48:02AM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
11:48:05AM CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
11:48:08AM EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:48:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:48:11AM CLENDENIN.
11:48:11AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:48:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:48:14AM AYE.
11:48:15AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:48:18AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HENDERSON BEING
11:48:21AM ABSENT.
11:48:21AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD AT OLD CITY HALL
11:48:24AM LOCATED AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA
11:48:28AM FLORIDA, 33602.
11:48:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:48:31AM MR. WIGGINTON, ARE YOU COMING UP?
11:48:33AM NO.
11:48:33AM ALL RIGHT.
11:48:34AM WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH -- WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR
11:48:41AM LUNCH AND COME BACK.
11:48:42AM WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
11:48:45AM THANK YOU.
11:48:45AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:48:46AM [LUNCH RECESS]
01:30:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
01:30:57PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:31:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:31:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
01:31:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
01:31:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:31:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:31:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:31:16PM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:31:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT A MINUTE.
01:31:21PM WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT?
01:31:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE --
01:31:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
01:31:25PM OKAY, GO AHEAD.
01:31:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
01:31:28PM YES, SIR, OUR REALLY HARD-WORKING ATTORNEY -- AND THANK YOU
01:31:32PM FOR THIS, MR. SHELBY, WE DISCUSSED ON COUNCIL SOME SORT OF A
01:31:35PM BUILT-IN WAIVER SO WE CAN GET THIS DONE TODAY.
01:31:38PM AND MR. SHELBY DRAFTED A RESOLUTION THAT WILL ALLOW FOR
01:31:41PM THAT.
01:31:41PM AND I -- AND I WOULD BE GLAD BY THE WAY TO WITHDRAW 64 IN
01:31:46PM EXCHANGE IN -- 100%.
01:31:49PM >> SECOND.
01:31:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
01:31:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO REDRAW 64.
01:31:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE.
01:31:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ACCEPT A SUBSTITUTE.
01:31:58PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTE FROM COUNCILMAN
01:32:02PM VIERA.
01:32:02PM WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:32:04PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:32:05PM ANY OPPOSED.
01:32:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
01:32:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THEN IF I MAY, IF --
01:32:10PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND HENDERSON
01:32:13PM BEING ABSENT.
01:32:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:32:16PM I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 4, WHICH IS TO APPOINT JOE GRECO TO THE
01:32:21PM CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
01:32:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER.
01:32:25PM WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS FIRST.
01:32:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO SORRY.
01:32:27PM I THOUGHT WE DID.
01:32:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ACCEPTED THE SUBSTITUTE.
01:32:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: MY APOLOGIES COUNCIL.
01:32:34PM I MOVE RESOLUTION -- THIS --
01:32:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 64.
01:32:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: I APOLOGIZE.
01:32:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:32:44PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:32:46PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:32:48PM OPPOSED.
01:32:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
01:32:51PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND HENDERSON
01:32:55PM BEING ABSENT.
01:32:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: I APOLOGIZE.
01:32:56PM I MOVE, IF I MAY, ITEM 4.
01:33:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:33:05PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:33:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
01:33:11PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND HENDERSON
01:33:15PM ABSENT.
01:33:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAPTAIN GRECO, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK FOR
01:33:25PM 30 SECONDS?
01:33:25PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:33:32PM >> I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR AT LEAST GOING THROUGH ALL THAT
01:33:36PM FOR ME TO BE APPOINTED TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY.
01:33:39PM I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT.
01:33:42PM MARTIN SHELBY, I APPRECIATE YOU FASHIONING THAT RESOLUTION
01:33:48PM FOR APPOINTMENT.
01:33:50PM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS JOE GRECO, A
01:33:54PM LIFE-LONG CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
01:33:56PM BORN AND RAISED HERE.
01:33:57PM MY MOTHER WAS ONE OF THE FIRST FEMALE OFFICERS.
01:34:00PM I SERVED 27 YEARS FOR THE TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT.
01:34:05PM THROUGHOUT THE YEARS I OWNED MANY POSITIONS WITH OUTSIDE
01:34:08PM COMPANIES, COOs, CEOs.
01:34:11PM CURRENTLY, I OPERATE FOUR WAREHOUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
01:34:15PM RUN A BUDGET FOR ICON GOLF CARTS WHICH IS THE THIRD LARGEST
01:34:18PM PRODUCER OF GOLF CARTS IN THE COUNTRY.
01:34:20PM SO I DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD, AND I APPRECIATE
01:34:24PM THE OPPORTUNITY YOU GIVING ME TO SERVE.
01:34:25PM AFTER RETIRING THREE YEARS AGO, I KIND OF LOST TOUCH WITH
01:34:29PM SERVING THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
01:34:30PM AND IT WILL BE NICE TO GET BACK INVOLVED WITH THAT.
01:34:32PM AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
01:34:34PM SO THANK YOU.
01:34:35PM THANK YOU.
01:34:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: DID YOU GIVE UP THE BOAT?
01:34:40PM >> SIR?
01:34:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID YOU WOULD LIVE ON A BOAT.
01:34:45PM >> I LIVED IN A 70-FOOT BOAT.
01:34:48PM I SOLD IT BECAUSE IT WAS A GIANT PAIN IN MY BUTT.
01:34:52PM I DON'T LIVE IN PASCO.
01:34:53PM I LIVE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
01:34:54PM I LIVED IN HYDE PARK IN NICHOLAS STOCCO'S HOUSE.
01:34:58PM MY HOME BURNED DOWN AND HE MOVED OUT SO I COULD MOVE INTO
01:35:01PM HIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE IN MELVILLE, 410 SOUTH MELVILLE.
01:35:05PM I RECENTLY BOUGHT A HOUSE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
01:35:07PM THANK YOU, Y'ALL.
01:35:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANKS, JOE.
01:35:12PM >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
01:35:14PM I AM SORRY.
01:35:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:35:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE NONE, JOE.
01:35:18PM THANK YOU.
01:35:19PM >> THANK YOU.
01:35:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I GO AHEAD FOR MR. SCAGLIONE AND DO A
01:35:24PM WAIVER AS WELL.
01:35:25PM WILL THAT BE --
01:35:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:35:28PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:35:30PM MR. SHELBY.
01:35:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, A WAIVER TO
01:35:34PM THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENCY TO THE CITIZENS
01:35:39PM ADVISORY COUNCIL BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.
01:35:41PM THAT IS THE FULL MOTION, IF YOU CAN, SIR.
01:35:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:35:48PM YOUR SECOND STILL STANDS COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:35:51PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:35:52PM OPPOSED.
01:35:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
01:35:56PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND HENDERSON
01:35:59PM ABSENT.
01:36:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC
01:36:03PM HEARINGS.
01:36:03PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
01:36:08PM CLENDENIN.
01:36:08PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:36:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
01:36:14PM DEPARTMENT.
01:36:15PM ITEM 46, THE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED A LET FROM JIM PORTER
01:36:20PM ITEM NUMBER OF 4, NOTICE ON INTENT TO SUSPEND ALCOHOL
01:36:24PM PERMIT.
01:36:24PM NEITHER MR. PORTER OR HIS CLIENT WERE AVAILABLE FOR TODAY'S
01:36:29PM HEARING.
01:36:29PM THEY HAVE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE.
01:36:31PM I SPOKE TO MR. PORTER, AND BOTH HE AND HIS CLIENT ARE
01:36:35PM AVAILABLE ON SEPTEMBER 19 AT 1:30 FOR A CONTINUED PUBLIC
01:36:39PM HEARING ON THIS MATTER MR. PORTER HAS AGREED TO THAT DATE IF
01:36:49PM THE COUNCIL WISHES TO CONDITION.
01:36:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE RECORD, MR. PORTER SET OUT A
01:36:54PM LETTER FOR HIS REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE AND ALSO CITED
01:36:57PM COUNCIL'S RULES THAT ALLOW THE -- THE FIRST CONTINUANCE IF A
01:37:01PM CERTAIN CRITERIA IS MET AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
01:37:05PM AND MY REVIEW OF THAT LETTER SPELLS OUT THAT HE DID MEET
01:37:08PM THAT CRITERIA.
01:37:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:37:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 19.
01:37:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 54 TO
01:37:18PM WHAT AS THE DATE?
01:37:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEPTEMBER 19.
01:37:22PM 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
01:37:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:37:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:37:31PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:37:33PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:37:34PM OPPOSED?
01:37:34PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:37:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MATTER OF RIGHT.
01:37:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 51.
01:37:48PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
01:37:50PM PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:37:51PM REVIEW HEARING FOR 3416 WEST HARBORVIEW AVENUE.
01:37:56PM THE PETITIONER IS DANIEL FEINMAN.
01:37:59PM AND HE IS -- THE PROPERTY OWNER FILED A REQUEST FOR THE CITY
01:38:07PM FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
01:38:09PM STAFF DENIED THE REQUEST FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE AT
01:38:13PM THAT LOCATION MAY 16, 2024.
01:38:15PM STAFF DENIED THE REQUEST ON THE BASIS THAT THE APPLICATION
01:38:18PM DID NOT MEET THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS REGARDING EXTENDED
01:38:22PM FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT ARE LOCATED IN CODE SECTION 27-132
01:38:28PM THAT DOESN'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
01:38:30PM I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL COPIES OF CODE SECTION-27-61 WHICH
01:38:36PM IS THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW -- FOR REVIEW HEARING.
01:38:39PM IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU WILL HAVE COPIES OF CODE SECTION
01:38:43PM 27-132, WHICH PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR EXTENDED
01:38:54PM FAMILY RESIDENCE AND CODE ELECTION 27-29.
01:38:57PM AND CODE SECTION-130 THAT PROVIDES THE CONDITIONS AND
01:39:03PM SAFEGUARDS FOR EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
01:39:10PM I HAVE SAMPLE MOTIONS AND WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL TO USE TO
01:39:12PM CONDUCT THE HEARING.
01:39:13PM AS STATED IN 27-6, SUBSECTION J-3, THIS HEARING BEFORE CITY
01:39:20PM COUNCIL IS A DE NOVO HEARING, WHICH MEANS CITY COUNCIL SHALL
01:39:23PM NOT BE LIMITED IN ITS REVIEW TO THAT INFORMATION,
01:39:26PM DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT
01:39:30PM WAS BASED.
01:39:31PM CITY COUNCIL CAN OR RECEIVE NEW EVIDENCE.
01:39:40PM STAFF WILL HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION
01:39:44PM RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION AFTER HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE,
01:39:50PM CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TWO ACTIONS.
01:39:51PM AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO DENIED
01:39:55PM THE REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
01:39:56PM OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF ZONING
01:40:01PM ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, GRANT THE REQUEST OF THE
01:40:04PM APPLICANT.
01:40:09PM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO LAURA MARLEY WHO WILL GIVE
01:40:13PM WHAT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE APPLICATION AND THE STAFF
01:40:16PM REPORT.
01:40:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED TO SWEAR EVERYBODY IN.
01:40:18PM IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, 51, 52, 53,
01:40:25PM OR 55, PLEASE STAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:40:28PM [SWEARING IN]
01:40:40PM >>LAURA MARLEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, LAURA MARLEY, ZONING
01:40:43PM COORDINATOR.
01:40:44PM CAN I PLEASE SHARE MY SCREEN?
01:42:20PM >>LAURA MARLEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
01:42:22PM THIS IS LAURA MARLEY.
01:42:24PM CAN I PLEASE SHARE MY SCREEN?
01:42:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT US OR HER?
01:42:30PM >>LAURA MARLEY: I DO NOT HAVE A REQUEST TO SHARE MY SCREEN
01:42:33PM YET.
01:42:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, WELL --
01:42:35PM >>LAURA MARLEY: OKAY.
01:42:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
01:42:38PM YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT NOW.
01:42:41PM >>LAURA MARLEY: YES.
01:42:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:42:42PM THERE WE GO.
01:42:43PM >>LAURA MARLEY: OKAY.
01:42:44PM THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR SU 124-25 FOR 3416 WEST
01:42:52PM HARBORVIEW AVENUE.
01:42:53PM THE PETITIONER IS DANIEL FEINMAN.
01:43:00PM THE PROPERTY OWNER IS DANIEL FEINMAN.
01:43:03PM THE PROPERTY ADDRESS 3416 WEST HARBORVIEW AREA.
01:43:07PM THE ZONING IS RS-60.
01:43:09PM THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
01:43:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN UP TOP.
01:43:16PM THERE WE GO.
01:43:19PM SORRY.
01:43:20PM GO AHEAD.
01:43:24PM >>LAURA MARLEY: THAT'S OKAY.
01:43:25PM THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SITE PLAN OF THE
01:43:28PM PROPERTY.
01:43:28PM THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF THE REAR.
01:43:31PM THE REAR SETBACK IS REQUIRED TO BE THREE FEET.
01:43:34PM AND IT IS 2.9 FEET.
01:43:36PM THE APPLICANT IS MEETING ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
01:43:40PM THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IT DIDN'T MEET WAS THE REAR YARD NOT
01:43:44PM MEETING THE THREE FEET.
01:43:45PM AND THAT IS THE PRESENTATION.
01:43:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:43:51PM >>LAURA MARLEY: YOU ARE WELCOME.
01:43:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP, WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT.
01:43:55PM SIR?
01:43:57PM DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
01:43:58PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUESTION.
01:43:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THIS MIGHT BE FOR MISS PETTIS-MACKLE
01:44:06PM MAY ANSWER THIS.
01:44:07PM DIDN'T WE JUST CHANGE THIS RULE UNDER OUR JANUARY CYCLE?
01:44:12PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WITH REGARDS TO WHAT?
01:44:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BEING ABLE TO VEST CURRENT -- OR -- EXISTING
01:44:20PM STRUCTURES?
01:44:22PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IF I MAY JUST HAVE ONE MOMENT.
01:44:25PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:44:30PM IF I CAN RESPOND TO QUESTION.
01:44:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
01:44:34PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE CHANGES WERE TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
01:44:39PM IN THE NEXT CYCLE GOING FORWARD WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE
01:44:42PM JULY CYCLE, WE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE EXTENDED FAMILY
01:44:47PM RESIDENCE FOR THAT SAME RIGHT-OF-WAY.
01:44:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
01:44:51PM >>ERIC COTTON: YOU ARE WELCOME.
01:44:52PM >> SURE.
01:44:56PM I HAVE AN EXHIBIT HERE.
01:44:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME HERE.
01:44:59PM >> DANIEL FEINMAN.
01:45:01PM HOW ARE YOU.
01:45:01PM IF I CAN TAKE TWO SECONDS OF CITY COUNCIL'S TIME.
01:45:04PM THE PAST TWO YEARS, I SERVED AS -- I HAD THE HONOR OF
01:45:08PM SERVING AS PRESIDENT AS THE BAYSHORE LITTLE LEAGUE ON DAVIS
01:45:11PM ISLAND.
01:45:12PM I DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS EVER.
01:45:15PM BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT CITY EMPLOYEES
01:45:18PM THAT HELPED WITH THE FACILITY'S USAGE AGREEMENT.
01:45:21PM IT IS JUST -- IT HAS -- A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND
01:45:23PM THE CHILDREN.
01:45:24PM ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE.
01:45:26PM MY NAME IS DAN FEINMAN.
01:45:28PM THE REASON WHY I'M HERE, I AM TRYING TO PUT PLUMBING AND
01:45:31PM RUNNING WATER IN A SMALL EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT ALREADY
01:45:34PM EXISTS ON THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY.
01:45:37PM I AM A PRACTICING ATTORNEY.
01:45:39PM I WORK LATE.
01:45:40PM I AM A SINGLE DAD.
01:45:41PM MY PARENTS TAKE CARE OF MY CHILDREN.
01:45:44PM THEY ARE SIMPLY GETTING TOO OLD TO DRIVE AT NIGHT.
01:45:47PM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBITS I SUBMITTED ABOUT A YEAR AND
01:45:54PM A HALF AGO, I STARTED THE PROCESS OF TURNING THE 500 PLUS
01:45:58PM OR MINUS SQUARE FEET STRUCTURE OR BUNGALOW ALREADY IN THE
01:46:02PM BACK OF THE PROPERTY INTO AN APPLICATION TO GET RUNNING
01:46:06PM WATER.
01:46:06PM AND SEWER BACK THERE.
01:46:08PM SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON DRAFTING, SURVEYING, ETC.
01:46:12PM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT I SUBMITTED, WE ARE AT A
01:46:21PM MAXIMUM ONE-INCH AND AT A MINIMUM A QUARTER INCH --
01:46:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
01:46:28PM WHAT DO YOU NEED?
01:46:29PM SORRY.
01:46:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ZOOM OUT.
01:46:32PM >> YEAH, SURE.
01:46:33PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
01:46:34PM SO THE -- IF YOU SEE IT, THE ONE-STORY EXTENDED FAMILY
01:46:42PM RESIDENCE IS IN THE BACK.
01:46:43PM IT IS ALREADY THERE.
01:46:44PM I HAVE A SMALL HOUSE THAT IS 1500 SQUARE FEET AND NOT ENOUGH
01:46:48PM SPACE FOR MY FOLKS BACK THERE.
01:46:49PM IF YOU LOOK -- IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT
01:46:54PM HERE.
01:46:55PM THE RED INDICATES THE AREA ENCROACHMENT.
01:46:58PM THAT IS THE ENCROACHMENT RIGHT THERE.
01:47:01PM IT EXISTS FOR EIGHT FEET.
01:47:03PM IT IS ABOUT AN INCH TO A QUARTER INCH ALONG THE SIDE OF THE
01:47:08PM STRUCTURE.
01:47:08PM OF COURSE, I SPOKE WITH THE SURVEYOR.
01:47:10PM HE SAID, IT'S PROBABLY THREE FEET.
01:47:13PM I MIGHT HAVE MADE HUMAN ERROR HERE WHEN I CONTACTED THE CITY
01:47:18PM AND WENT IN TO SEE THEM.
01:47:20PM THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN FROM THE BEGINNING,
01:47:23PM WHICH TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THE PROCESS DONE TO GET
01:47:26PM TO THIS POINT BEFORE -- TO BASICALLY START ALL OVER AGAIN
01:47:30PM FOR THAT INCH TO A QUARTER-INCH ENCROACHMENT.
01:47:34PM ON THE INTERIM, WE WERE WAITING.
01:47:37PM MY PARENTS TRIED TO DRIVE HOME AT NIGHT.
01:47:39PM IN A MASSIVE FOUR-CAR PILE-UP ON THE VETERANS AFTER COMING
01:47:43PM HOME FROM WATCHING MY KIDS.
01:47:44PM SO, IN CLOSING, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR
01:47:50PM TIME OVER AN INCH OR A QUARTER INCH.
01:47:52PM I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE HERE TO HELP PEOPLE.
01:47:54PM GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE HERE TO HELP PEOPLE.
01:47:56PM AND ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS, YOU WILL BE MAKING THE CITY, A
01:48:00PM COMMUNITY THE SAFER PLACE.
01:48:01PM AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
01:48:03PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
01:48:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
01:48:06PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:48:07PM WE NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:48:09PM ANYONE HERE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
01:48:14PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:48:15PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
01:48:19PM THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE POOP THAT CAME FROM
01:48:24PM ACROSS THE STREET OF CITY COUNCIL SHOULDN'T BE MAKING
01:48:26PM DECISIONS ABOUT STUFF.
01:48:27PM BECAUSE THE LAND USE DEPARTMENT CAN MAKE DECISIONS, BUT THEY
01:48:32PM DON'T HAVE ANY WIGGLE ROOM.
01:48:33PM THEY CANNOT USE COMMON SENSE.
01:48:35PM AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE MOST
01:48:40PM OF YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS HOUSE IS, BECAUSE THE LAST
01:48:42PM OWNER ALL OF YOU KNEW.
01:48:44PM BUT I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE COMMON SENSE SITUATIONS.
01:48:48PM THE GARAGE IS THERE.
01:48:50PM IT PROBABLY HAS BEEN THERE FOR 30, 40 YEARS.
01:48:53PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE.
01:48:57PM AND THAT JUDGE DIDN'T USE COMMON SENSE WHEN SHE SAID, OH,
01:49:01PM YOU GUYS CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS.
01:49:02PM YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE STAFF TO MAKE DECISIONS.
01:49:05PM THIS CASE IS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS WHERE WE HAVE TO -- WE
01:49:11PM HAVE TO MAKE A LOGICAL THOUGHT PROCESS AS HUMAN BEINGS.
01:49:14PM IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THIS GENTLEMAN TO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO
01:49:21PM WITH THE PROPERTY.
01:49:21PM HE IS NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING CRAZY.
01:49:24PM HE IS TALKING ABOUT AN INCH.
01:49:26PM HE IS NOT EVEN GOING TO TAKE A MILE.
01:49:28PM WE DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE A MILE ALL THE TIME.
01:49:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?
01:49:34PM THAT WOULD CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:49:37PM WOULD YOU LIKE REBUTTAL, SIR?
01:49:40PM YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
01:49:41PM PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM OR LECTERN.
01:49:43PM >> I DON'T HAVE REBUTTAL.
01:49:45PM I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.
01:49:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.
01:49:49PM THE MICROPHONE NEEDS TO PICK UP YOUR VOICE.
01:49:54PM >> I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WOMAN IS, BUT I AM IN AGREEMENT.
01:49:57PM THANK YOU.
01:49:57PM [LAUGHTER]
01:49:59PM THANK YOU, ALL.
01:50:00PM I APPRECIATE YOU.
01:50:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:50:03PM YOU NEED TO TURN THE MIC ON.
01:50:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
01:50:10PM HEARING.
01:50:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
01:50:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:50:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:50:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
01:50:17PM DENIAL OF SU 24-025 OF 3416 HARBOR VIEW AVENUE OF COMPETENT
01:50:27PM AND SPECIFIC EVIDENCE FOR THE REQUIREMENT OF CODE 27-132 AND
01:50:34PM GRANT THE REQUEST TO ALLOW AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE TO
01:50:37PM BE IN A NONCONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THE FOLLOWING
01:50:43PM REASONS: -- YEAH, I MEAN -- SURE, I WILL GO WITH DIMINIMUS
01:50:55PM IMPACT.
01:50:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:50:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:50:59PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:51:01PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:51:02PM ANY OPPOSED?
01:51:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING WITH MY VOTE.
01:51:06PM I AM VOTING IN FAVOR.
01:51:07PM NORMALLY I DO I DON'T LIKE TO OVERTURN THE SUBJECT MATTER
01:51:11PM EXPERTS ON ZONING ADMINISTRATORS, BUT THIS IS SUCH DIMINIMUS
01:51:15PM IMPACT.
01:51:16PM AND I AGREE WITH THE PERSON THAT COMMENTED ON PUBLIC COMMENT
01:51:19PM THAT WE CAN INJECT COMMON SENSE AND WE HAVE THE LATITUDE TO
01:51:22PM DO THIS AND SOMETIMES STAFF HAS TO CONFORM WITH THE RULES.
01:51:25PM NORMALLY I WOULD NOT OVERTURN THEIR DECISIONS, BUT THIS IS
01:51:29PM BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.
01:51:30PM AND A GREAT HOUSE, BY THE WAY.
01:51:32PM I ACTUALLY TRIED TO CONVINCE MY KIDS TO BUY THAT HOUSE WHEN
01:51:36PM JOHN SOLD IT.
01:51:36PM SO THERE YOU GO.
01:51:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:51:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD LUCK WITH THE KIDS.
01:51:46PM I HAVE BEEN A SINGLE DAD BEFORE.
01:51:48PM THANK GOODNESS FOR ABUELO AND ABUELA.
01:51:54PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:51:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEED TO READ THE VOTE.
01:51:57PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HENDERSON BEING
01:51:59PM ABSENT.
01:52:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR,
01:52:02PM CONGRATULATIONS.
01:52:02PM ITEM NUMBER 52.
01:52:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:52:09PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:52:11PM ITEM 52 IS REVIEW HEARING OF THE DECISION OF A VARIANCE
01:52:15PM REVIEW BOARD IN CASE NUMBER VRB-24-15. THE ADDRESSES ARE
01:52:23PM 2510 GUY NORTH VERGER BOULEVARD AND 1597 LEHAM STREET.
01:52:29PM THE APPLICANT IS THE PORT AUTHORITY AND THE REQUEST, REMOVAL
01:52:33PM OF TWO GRAND TREE TO CONSTRUCT A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
01:52:40PM THE VRB SAID THAT THE REQUEST DOES NOT MEET THE REQUEST FOR
01:52:44PM A VARIANCE OF 27-80 THAT DESCRIBES THE VARIANCE POWER AND
01:52:49PM 27-284.2.5 WHICH IS THE CODE SECTION RELATED TO GRAND TREE
01:52:54PM REMOVAL.
01:52:54PM SPECIFICALLY, THE VRB CAN BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED FOR THE
01:53:02PM TWO TREES AND NO HARDSHIP TO JUSTIFY THE GRANTING IN THAT
01:53:06PM CASE.
01:53:06PM MR. EYSTER WILL GO THROUGH IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
01:53:12PM I BELIEVE MR. SHELBY PASSED OUT A PACKAGE FOR COUNCIL OF THE
01:53:18PM PROCEDURES AND RULES FOR THE HEARING.
01:53:19PM CODE SECTION 27-80, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE
01:53:24PM POWER.
01:53:25PM 27-61, THE PETITION FOR REVIEW CRITERIA OR STANDARDS.
01:53:30PM AND ALSO CODE SECTION 27-284.2.5 WHICH IS THE TREE REMOVAL.
01:53:37PM AND I WILL CALL YOUR ATTENTION PAGES 3 THROUGH 5 OF THAT
01:53:41PM CODE SECTION WHICH SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE STANDARDS FOR
01:53:46PM GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
01:53:47PM I ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR COUNCIL.
01:53:52PM AND -- AS MISS PETTIS-MACKLE NOTED IN THE HEARING, THE
01:53:57PM STANDARD OF REFER VIEW A DE NOVO AND TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY
01:54:03PM AND HELP MEET THE VARIANCE CRITERIA WITH CODE SECTION 27-80
01:54:09PM AND SECTION 27-284.2.5.
01:54:12PM SO I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT HOW THOSE TWO
01:54:15PM CODE SECTIONS WORK TOGETHER.
01:54:17PM BECAUSE I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION IN THE PAST.
01:54:20PM CODE SECTION 27-80 REGARDING THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE
01:54:25PM POWER SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
01:54:28PM CANNOT TAKE ACTION UNLESS THERE IS A HARDSHIP THAT IS
01:54:31PM ESTABLISHED.
01:54:31PM 27-284.2.5 DESCRIBES KIND OF THE CRITERIA FOR GRAND TREE
01:54:38PM REMOVAL.
01:54:39PM IT INCLUDES IF A TREE WILL BE RENDERED HAZARDOUS AS A RESULT
01:54:44PM OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY BASED ON STRUCTURES THAT ARE
01:54:47PM PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY.
01:54:48PM UTILITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHETHER OR
01:54:52PM NOT THE PROPERTY CAN BE REASON ME RECONFIGURED OR NOT.
01:54:56PM SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HARDSHIP, IF A PROPERTY CAN BE
01:55:00PM REASONABLY RECONFIGURED, THEN IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT THERE
01:55:04PM IS NO HARDSHIP.
01:55:07PM IF THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED, THERE
01:55:11PM COULD BE A HARDSHIP.
01:55:12PM AGAIN, MR. EYSTER IS HERE TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE
01:55:17PM APPLICATION AND THE VRB DECISION.
01:55:19PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE HEARING, COUNCIL'S POTENTIAL
01:55:22PM ACTIONS ARE A AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE VRB AND DENY THE
01:55:27PM REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO GRAND TREES.
01:55:29PM COUNCIL CAN REMAND TO THE VRB FOR FURTHER FOODS WITH
01:55:33PM DIRECTION AND INDICATING THE BASIS FOR THE REMAND.
01:55:36PM AND THIRD, AND FINALLY, COUNCIL COULD OVERTURN THE DECISION
01:55:39PM BY THE VRB AND, THEREFORE, GRANT THE REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL
01:55:43PM OF THE TWO GRAND TREES.
01:55:44PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. EYSTER IF COUNCIL HAS ANY
01:55:49PM QUESTIONS.
01:55:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF
01:55:55PM MR. EYSTER, IF YOU READ THROUGH, THIS IS AN UNANIMOUS
01:55:57PM DECISION.
01:55:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: TWO TREES IN QUESTION.
01:56:00PM ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS UNANIMOUSLY DENIED BY THE VRB.
01:56:04PM THE OTHER REQUEST WAS DENIED ON A 3-2 VOTE.
01:56:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MR. SHELBY.
01:56:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, A MOTION TO
01:56:13PM ACCEPT ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, IF ANY.
01:56:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:56:18PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
01:56:20PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:56:21PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR OPPOSED?
01:56:23PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
01:56:24PM YES, SIR.
01:56:25PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:56:35PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
01:56:37PM STEVEN EYSTER.
01:56:40PM I SENT THIS OVER BUT WE CAN DO THE PAPER COPY.
01:56:43PM PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR VRB 24-15, AS LEGAL STATED.
01:56:49PM TWO ADDRESSES ARE 2510 GUY NORTH VERGER BOULEVARD AND
01:56:55PM 1597 LEHAM STREET.
01:56:56PM THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE TAMPA PORT AUTHORITY.
01:56:59PM THE APPLICANT WAS RICKY PETERIKA OF DARK MOSS.
01:57:03PM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2510 GUY NORTH VERGER BOULEVARD.
01:57:08PM AND ZONING IS IH AND REQUEST TO REMOVE TWO GRAND TREE TO
01:57:12PM CONSTRUCT A INDUSTRIAL PORT FACILITY.
01:57:14PM THIS WAS THE VRB DETERMINATION.
01:57:17PM THERE WAS A -- THE FIRST TREE, TREE 13, WAS DENIED 5-0.
01:57:22PM THE MOTION TO DENY BOTH GRAND TREE REMOVALS PASSED WITH THE
01:57:26PM 3-2.
01:57:27PM THERE WAS A SECOND MOTION BETWEEN THOSE, BUT IT FAILED TO
01:57:30PM HAVE A SECOND AND THAT WAS FOR THE REMOVAL OF TREE NUMBER
01:57:33PM 21.
01:57:36PM SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE SITE.
01:57:38PM IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PORT OF TAMPA.
01:57:42PM SO THE TWO GRAND TREES IN QUESTION, GRAND TREE ONE, WHICH IS
01:57:50PM -- TREE 13.
01:57:51PM AND GRAND TREE 2, WHICH IS TREE 21 ON THE ARBORIST
01:57:56PM INFORMATION OF BOTH TREES ARE LIVE OAKS.
01:57:58PM ONE IS 35-INCH DBH.
01:58:02PM THE OTHER 35.
01:58:03PM WITH 57 FEET TO 55 FEET AND 64 BY 64 FEET.
01:58:09PM THE TREES RATING B 5 FOR GRAND TREE ONE AND C-4 FOR GRAND
01:58:16PM TREE TWO.
01:58:17PM AND SIMILAR MITIGATION OF 13 TREES FOR GRAND TREE ONE AND 14
01:58:22PM FOR GRAND TREE TWO.
01:58:23PM SO THESE ARE TWO OVERALL SITE PHOTOS.
01:58:27PM GRAND TREE ONE IS HERE.
01:58:28PM GRAND TREE TWO IS HERE.
01:58:31PM JUST A QUICK FACT OF THE CANOPY SQUARE FOOTAGES.
01:58:37PM EACH TREE HAS APPROXIMATELY 34-FOOT CANOPY WHICH IS BEYOND
01:58:45PM THE 20-FOOT RADIUS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.
01:58:48PM THIS SITE IS 457,000 SQUARE FEET.
01:58:51PM ALMOST TEN ACRES.
01:58:52PM THE PRESERVATION OF EACH TREE TAKES.7% OF THE AREA ON-SITE.
01:58:58PM SO JUST TO GIVE YOU GUY AS REFERENCE FROM THE MAP THAT
01:59:03PM SHOWED TO THE -- TO THE TREES.
01:59:05PM SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE.
01:59:09PM AND CONDITION.
01:59:11PM BOTH TREES ARE LOCATED IN THIS SMALL SECTION HERE.
01:59:13PM GRAND TREE 13 AND THEN 22, I BELIEVE, IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA
01:59:20PM HERE.
01:59:20PM WE WILL DO A ZOOM IN.
01:59:22PM THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF BOTH TREES.
01:59:27PM THIS TREE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ALREADY A -- LIKE A
01:59:29PM ACCESS ROAD THAT COMES AROUND ON ALL SIDES OF THIS TREE THAT
01:59:35PM IS CURRENTLY BEING USED TO ACCESS IN SITE AND THE
01:59:37PM NEIGHBORING SITE NEXT DOOR.
01:59:39PM AND THEN THIS TREE IS IN A LARGER GREEN SPACE WITH A ROAD
01:59:42PM STILL THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG HERE.
01:59:45PM THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
01:59:51PM AS YOU SEE, BOTH TREES ARE LOCATED WITHIN -- RIGHT IN THIS
01:59:56PM -- THIS IN AREA HERE.
01:59:57PM THIS IS ALTERNATE SITE PLAN ONE WHERE THEY HAVE ADJUSTED THE
02:00:05PM PARKING STORAGE AREA FOR THE PORT FACILITY.
02:00:09PM I THINK OVERALL, THIS ALTERNATE PLAN AFFECTS 12 TO 15
02:00:14PM SPACES, STORAGE SPACES.
02:00:16PM AND THEN ALTERNATIVE PLAN TWO ADJUSTS THE ACCESS ROAD THAT
02:00:24PM RUNS ALONG AROUND THE TREE, TO GIVE EACH SITE ITS OWN
02:00:30PM ACCESS.
02:00:31PM SO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMENTS.
02:00:35PM EVERYBODY WAS CONSISTENT, EXCEPT FOR NATURAL RESOURCES.
02:00:39PM THE COMMENT READS, THE SITE CURRENTLY LACKS ANY STRUCTURES.
02:00:43PM LOADING AREAS CAN BE REDUCED AND RECONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE
02:00:47PM THE GRAND TREE.
02:00:48PM EXISTING ROAD IS SERVING BOTH SITES AND CAN ACCOMMODATE THE
02:00:53PM TREE SINCE IT IS ALREADY EXISTING.
02:00:54PM DUE TO THE ABSENCE OF STRUCTURES AND UTILITIES AND THE
02:00:57PM FLEXIBILITY TO REFLECT STORAGE AREAS, THEY DID NOT MEET THE
02:01:01PM CRITERIA FOR THE GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
02:01:04PM AND THEN THIS IS THE CRITERIA HERE FOR A GRAND TREE REMOVAL
02:01:09PM THAT SUSAN BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON.
02:01:11PM AND YOU CAN SEE A, IS IMPACT OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS.
02:01:15PM THIS SITE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS PROPOSED.
02:01:17PM OR UTILITIES.
02:01:19PM AND I -- IN THE APPEAL, I KNOW THEY REFERENCED THE ACCESS
02:01:24PM ROAD.
02:01:25PM THE PORT OWNS ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT SURROUNDS THIS SITE.
02:01:29PM SO I FEEL THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED AS WELL, MAYBE AT A
02:01:33PM SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION TO ACCESS THE SITE.
02:01:35PM AND THEN THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
02:01:40PM AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
02:01:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:01:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:01:45PM CAN YOU PUT UP THE -- THE ALTERNATE ONE MAP.
02:01:51PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: OF COURSE.
02:01:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU SAID WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING THIS, THAT
02:02:10PM THIS IS PARKING?
02:02:12PM >>STEVEN EYSTER; VEHICLE STORAGE FOR A HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL
02:02:14PM PORT FACILITY.
02:02:15PM I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL EXPAND ON THIS MORE.
02:02:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: VEHICLE STORAGE?
02:02:19PM OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:02:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
02:02:24PM NO?
02:02:24PM OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:02:26PM NOW WE HAVE ANY OTHER STAFF PRESENT SOMETHING OR NO?
02:02:32PM NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE PETITIONER, WHICH WILL BE PATRICK
02:02:35PM BLAIR.
02:02:36PM ALL RIGHT.
02:02:39PM AND EVERYONE WAS SWORN IN.
02:02:41PM ALL RIGHT.
02:02:42PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
02:02:43PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:02:45PM RICKY PETERIKA WITH DARK MOSS.
02:02:48PM 308 7th AVENUE.
02:02:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING FOR PORT
02:02:56PM TAMPA BAY.
02:02:56PM >> I AM JOSE DeJESUS, THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING FOR PORT
02:03:00PM TAMPA BAY.
02:03:01PM >> STAFF DID A GREAT PRESENTATION KIND OF ESTABLISHING
02:03:04PM CRITERIA, SO I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT SOME OF THOSE
02:03:07PM ELEMENTS.
02:03:08PM I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, WHICH IS WE
02:03:12PM ARE REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL OVERTURN THE VRB AND GRANT THE
02:03:17PM REMOVAL OF THIS WHY, BECAUSE THE BOARD DID NOT PROPERLY
02:03:22PM WEIGH THE IMPACTS TO THE INTERNAL FLOW AND FUNCTION OF THIS
02:03:27PM VERY UNIQUE TYPE OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL FACILITY.
02:03:30PM IT ON FIRST APPEARANCE LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT.
02:03:35PM SOUNDS LIKE A PARKING LOT.
02:03:36PM BUT THE PORT TAMPA BAY REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TODAY TO
02:03:39PM SPEAK TO HOW THESE TREES IMPACT THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY
02:03:44PM OF THIS TYPE OF FACILITY IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.
02:03:47PM AND SO BEFORE THAT, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE TREES
02:03:53PM QUICKLY.
02:03:53PM TREE 13.
02:03:59PM THIS IS THE ONE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
02:04:01PM IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION.
02:04:03PM AND THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, SORT OF, ABOUT THE CONDITION
02:04:07PM RELATIVE TO THIS REQUEST.
02:04:08PM THIS IS TREE 21.
02:04:12PM THIS IS MORE IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT, THE ALTERNATE SITE
02:04:15PM PLAN ONE THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED.
02:04:17PM ITS CONDITION WAS ONLY LOWERED BECAUSE OF THE STEMS ARE LOW
02:04:23PM TO THE GROUND, BUT OTHERWISE A GOOD TREE.
02:04:25PM SO THE REQUEST -- NONE OF THE REQUESTS RELATE TO THE TREE'S
02:04:29PM CONDITION.
02:04:30PM AND WHAT WASN'T DISCUSSED BUT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, IN MY
02:04:34PM OPINION, THAT THREE ADDITIONAL GRAND TREES ARE PRESERVED ON
02:04:38PM THIS SITE ON THE PORT FACILITY THAT AREN'T JUST RELATIVE TO
02:04:42PM THE APPLICATION BECAUSE WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE REMOVALS.
02:04:45PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAVE MR. BLAIR AND MR. JESUS SPEAK TO
02:04:49PM THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY COMPONENT.
02:04:51PM THANK YOU.
02:04:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:04:53PM THIS IS A RAILROAD TERMINAL.
02:04:56PM THE CAR THAT YOU SEE IT.
02:04:57PM THE CAR DEALERSHIP.
02:04:58PM THEY COME IN ON A LARGE VESSEL.
02:05:01PM IF YOU SEE ONE A RAMP THAT DROPS DOWN ON THE STERN AND THE
02:05:04PM QUARTER RAMP ON THE SIDE.
02:05:05PM AND YOU HAVE A SERIES OF DRIVERS THAT UNLOAD THE CARS.
02:05:08PM TWO TEAMS OF, LIKE, FIVE.
02:05:10PM YOU WILL HAVE TEN CARS DRIVEN OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
02:05:12PM AND TWO MINIVANS THAT WILL PICK UP THE DRIVERS AND
02:05:15PM CONSTANTLY ROTATE THEM.
02:05:17PM UNLOADING APPROXIMATELY 2,000 TO 3,000 CARS IN A FEW HOURS.
02:05:21PM NOT A TYPICAL PARKING LOT WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARK.
02:05:23PM THIS IS A HIGH-DENSITY FAST OPERATION WHERE YOU ARE LOADING
02:05:27PM THESE VEHICLES QUICKLY.
02:05:28PM OTHER PORTS, YOU WON'T SEE A TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
02:05:31PM TERMINAL, KIND OF SIMILAR TO AN AIRPORT TARMAC.
02:05:36PM YOU WOULDN'T LEAVE ON.
02:05:37PM WE WOULD CONSIDER IT A SAFETY ISSUE.
02:05:39PM THESE OPERATIONS HAPPEN LATE AT NIGHT AS WELL.
02:05:43PM THEY ARE PORT CREATED LAND.
02:05:45PM MAN MADE IN 1939 WHEN WE FILLED THE LAND.
02:05:48PM WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
02:05:51PM THIS IS AN OPERATIONAL THING.
02:05:53PM ISN'T WHERE YOU TYPICALLY LEAVE TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
02:05:56PM YARD AND YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO DRIVE AROUND THEM.
02:05:58PM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
02:06:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW WHY -- YOU SAY PORT-MADE LAND --
02:06:07PM RECLAIMED LAND.
02:06:08PM WHY IS THAT TREE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
02:06:10PM DO YOU KNOW -- WHAT?
02:06:12PM >> I ASSUME SOME TYPE OF ANIMAL BROUGHT A SEED ON TO THE
02:06:15PM SITE -- WHEN I SAY -- YOU DO HAVE A LAND RECLAMATION MAP,
02:06:22PM THE 80% TO 90% LAND RECLAMATION.
02:06:25PM DREDGE THE CHANNEL.
02:06:27PM USE THE FILL WITH THE LAND.
02:06:30PM HOOKER'S POINT, DAVIS ISLAND, AND HARBOUR ISLAND IN 1939.
02:06:35PM THE AREA IS -- EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT IS ALL -- IT WAS
02:06:39PM WATER AT ONE POINT.
02:06:41PM THAT IS WHEN WE SAY "LAND RECLAMATION" USING DREDGE FLOWS TO
02:06:46PM CREATE UPLOADS.
02:06:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THERE WAS -- NEVER MIND, THANK YOU.
02:06:49PM >> THERE WAS WATER AND MADE LAND AND EVENTUALLY A SEED GOT
02:06:54PM THERE.
02:06:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS ASKING MORE ABOUT THE TREE.
02:06:57PM THANK YOU.
02:06:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
02:07:00PM >> SOME ADDITIONAL POINT WE WANTED TO BRING UP.
02:07:02PM IT REALLY SPEAKS TO -- REALLY THE UNIQUENESS OF THE LAND
02:07:07PM THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
02:07:08PM YOU KNOW, THERE ARE -- LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY HAVE
02:07:14PM EXEMPTIONS FOR LANDSCAPING AND LOADING FACILITIES.
02:07:17PM AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE LDC HAS PROVISIONS TO PROVIDE
02:07:23PM EXISTING INDUSTRIAL MARITIME AND COMMERCIAL USES
02:07:26PM SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO PORT AUTHORITY ACTIVITIES WITH THE
02:07:29PM OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND, PROSPER AND GROW.
02:07:33PM I THINK THIS CLEARLY SPEAKS TO THE IMPORTANCE THAT -- THAT
02:07:38PM COUNCIL AND THE CITY PUT ON PORT FACILITIES RECOGNIZE THESE
02:07:42PM ARE VERY UNIQUE.
02:07:43PM THERE ARE NOT -- MARINE TERMINALS ARE VERY UNIQUE BY THEIR
02:07:51PM DEFINITION.
02:07:51PM THE TERMINAL WE USE TO UNLOAD THESE VEHICLES, THERE AREN'T A
02:07:56PM LOT OF OTHER SPACES AT THE PORT THAT WE CAN USE.
02:07:58PM IN ADDITION -- IN ADDITION TO -- YOU KNOW, WE NEED THIS
02:08:04PM FACILITY, AGAIN, NOT A PARKING LOT.
02:08:06PM IT IS A MARINE STORAGE AREA ADJACENT TO THE -- TO THE -- TO
02:08:11PM THE -- SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY -- WE DON'T HAVE
02:08:16PM A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO SITE SELECTION.
02:08:20PM IT NEEDS TO BE ADJACENT TO THAT.
02:08:21PM FURTHERMORE, LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN, LAND USE POLICY
02:08:28PM 8.1.1.
02:08:28PM ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PORT OF TAMPA FOR
02:08:32PM INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE PORT IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THE
02:08:35PM ORDERLY GROWTH OF THE PORT OF TAMPA BY IDENTIFYING THOSE
02:08:38PM AREAS THAT ARE -- AND I EMPHASIZE THIS -- BEST SUITED FOR
02:08:42PM PORT AND MARITIME ACTIVITIES AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES.
02:08:45PM THE COMP PLAN RECOGNIZES THE NEED TO PROTECT INDUSTRIAL LAND
02:08:49PM WHICH IS CLUSTERED AROUND THE PORT AND OTHER MAJOR ECONOMIC
02:08:53PM ENGINES INCLUDING -- INCLUDING THE AIRPORT.
02:08:56PM PROVIDES ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS.
02:09:00PM LAND USE POLICY 8.9.2 IS TO ENCOURAGE THE INTENSIFICATION
02:09:06PM AND INDUSTRIAL WHERE THEY HAVE DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES.
02:09:11PM THE PORT WITH THE USE OF THE LAND THAT WE CREATED AND WE ARE
02:09:15PM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
02:09:16PM AGAIN, NOT A FLEXIBILITY FOR US TO GO WITH THIS TERMINAL.
02:09:19PM THIS IS WHY WE ASK FOR THIS VARIANCE.
02:09:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:09:26PM YOU HAD YOUR MIC ON FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:09:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I AM NOT
02:09:34PM HEARING ANYTHING IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT WOULD INFER THAT
02:09:38PM THESE TWO TREES WOULD UNJUSTLY INTERFERE WITH THE -- WITH
02:09:44PM EVERYTHING THAT IS CALLED IN THAT.
02:09:45PM BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
02:09:48PM I MEAN IF IT WAS BLOCKING LOADING AND UNLOADING, OR IF IT
02:09:53PM WAS -- IF IT WAS -- IF IT WAS TRULY AN OBSTRUCTION OF THE
02:09:58PM DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, BUT SUCH AN STATISTICALLY
02:10:04PM INCONSISTENT.
02:10:04PM A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE PORT.
02:10:06PM I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS MODEL THERE.
02:10:08PM AND WHETHER LAND IS CREATED OR NOT CREATED IS NOT RELEVANT
02:10:11PM TO THIS.
02:10:12PM BUT WHO CREATED THE LAND, GOD CREATED THE LAND AND PORT
02:10:16PM CREATED THE LAND.
02:10:17PM THE TREE IS THERE.
02:10:18PM AND WE FREQUENTLY HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS COUNCIL
02:10:24PM WITH PRIVATE DEVELOP WHO DEVELOP PROPERTY THAT WE INSIST
02:10:27PM THAT THEY MOVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND HOUSES AND
02:10:30PM ACCOMMODATE AND BUILD SMALLER HOUSES TO ACCOMMODATE TREES.
02:10:34PM MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT IS THE REAL IMPACT, OPERATIONAL
02:10:39PM IMPACT -- BECAUSE I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT THAT --
02:10:42PM WITH THE EXPANSION AND ADDING TO THIS CAPACITY.
02:10:45PM BUT WHAT IS THE TRUE IMPACT.
02:10:47PM AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST THE PORT AUTHORITY TO
02:10:52PM ACCOMMODATE THESE TWO TREES ON IN GIGANTIC.
02:10:57PM >> YES, COMMISSIONER -- I MEAN COUNCILMEMBERS.
02:11:01PM WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS AT THE PORT.
02:11:02PM OPERATIONAL ISSUE, THOUSANDS OF CARS DRIVING OUT IN A
02:11:07PM EXTREMELY TIGHT WINDOW.
02:11:09PM FIVE HOURS.
02:11:10PM SAFETY ISSUE, THE TREE WILL GET HIT.
02:11:13PM WE HAVE IF BOLLARDS AROUND EVERY LIGHT.
02:11:16PM YOU HAVE TO GET OUT THERE TO APPRECIATE IT.
02:11:18PM A HIGH-VOLUME SITUATION WHERE THOUSANDS OF CARS ARE BEING
02:11:21PM UNLOADED IN FOUR HOURS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT.
02:11:23PM AND DRIVERS GETTING OUT AND BEING PICKED UP IN MINIVANS, AND
02:11:27PM THIS IS CONSTANTLY GOING ON ALL NIGHT.
02:11:30PM SITE-LIGHTED BUT A SAFETY ISSUE HAVING TREES IN THE MIDDLE
02:11:33PM OF THE SITE.
02:11:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TRULY YOU COULD EXPAND THEA COME DATED
02:11:37PM AREA TO -- TO I DID MINIMIZE THE --
02:11:42PM >> SO TO THAT POINT, RICKY MENTIONED THAT WE ARE THE
02:11:48PM LANDOWNER, BUT WE LEASE OUR LAND TO OUR OPERATORS.
02:11:50PM IN THIS CASE, THIS SITE IS LEASED OUT TO A COMPANY
02:11:56PM CALLED GLOBIS.
02:11:56PM THEY WILL BE OPERATING AND DOING THE HANDLING OF THE
02:11:59PM VEHICLES.
02:11:59PM ADJACENT TO THE NORTH IS PORTS AMERICA.
02:12:02PM OUR GENERAL CARGO YARD.
02:12:04PM BRINGING STEEL, LUMBER AND OTHER PRODUCTS THAT WE USE IN THE
02:12:08PM SOUTHWEST MOSAIC.
02:12:10PM SO I HAVE A DEFINED FOOTPRINT.
02:12:13PM I CANNOT -- WE CAN NOT INTERMINGLE THOSE USES.
02:12:16PM FACILITIES HAVE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT SECURITY -- FACILITIES
02:12:21PM SECURITY PLANS THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE COAST GUARD.
02:12:23PM SO I CANNOT HAVE THE OPERATION GOING INTO PORTS AMERICA
02:12:26PM BECAUSE IT IS A VIOLATION OF -- OF THE PORT SECURITY PLAN.
02:12:29PM SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE VERY LIMITED FLEXIBILITY TO THIS.
02:12:32PM AND WE WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS ON THIS TO MAKE SURE WE
02:12:36PM HAVE THE BEST CONFIGURATION OF -- OF THE SITE.
02:12:39PM AND RICKY MENTIONED TOO, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SOME TREES THAT
02:12:42PM WE ARE PRESENTING ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE, ADJACENT TO THE
02:12:45PM WATER, BECAUSE WE -- YOU KNOW, WE DID -- WE SAW WE COULD
02:12:49PM KEEP THAT AREA AS IT WAS.
02:12:50PM BUT IN THIS CASE, THE TREES ARE IN THE WAY OF THE OPERATION,
02:12:54PM UNFORTUNATELY.
02:12:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL THERE BE LIGHT POLES AT THE PARKING
02:12:57PM LO THE?
02:12:58PM >> YES, THERE IS GOING TO BE.
02:13:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LIGHT POLES ARE INSTRUCTION.
02:13:04PM >> VEHICLE SAFETY BOLLARDS AROUND BECAUSE THEY WILL GET HIT.
02:13:08PM YOU GO TO ANY RAILROAD FACILITY IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE
02:13:11PM IS NO TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD RAILROAD TERMINAL.
02:13:17PM NO FACILITY IN THE UNITED STATES HAS TREES IN THE MIDDLE.
02:13:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANSWER MY SPECIFIC QUESTION THOUGH.
02:13:24PM OTHER THAN YOUR DRIVERS RUNNING INTO TREES, WHAT IS THE
02:13:27PM OPERATIONAL COST OR OPERATIONAL IMPACT OF LOSING THAT SPACE
02:13:32PM AROUND THAT TREE.
02:13:33PM I MEAN, WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS WEIGH THE BENEFIT OF
02:13:37PM THE PORT VERSUS THE BENEFIT OF LEAVING THAT TREE.
02:13:41PM AND MAKING THIS DETERMINATION.
02:13:43PM AND I AM NOT HEARING THAT FROM YOU YET.
02:13:46PM THAT IS MY QUESTION.
02:13:47PM WHAT ARE YOU LOSE FROM THE PORT AS FAR AS OPERATIONAL --
02:13:52PM >> FINANCIALLY, IF WE TAKE THIS EVERY TWO WEEKS AND LOSING
02:13:57PM 15 SPOTS, 30 SPOTS AT 15 A SPOT.
02:14:00PM $600 A MONTH TIMES 12.
02:14:03PM $700 TO $1,000 A MONTH.
02:14:06PM DOESN'T COVER THE LEAST COST OF THE SPACES, A YEAR.
02:14:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE THESE SHIPS COMING IN, ARE THESE SPOTS
02:14:15PM ALWAYS FILLED?
02:14:16PM >> YOU WILL SEE IT COMPLETELY FULL AND EMPTIED OUT SO --
02:14:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERY SINGLE SPOT?
02:14:21PM >> USUALLY.
02:14:21PM YOU WILL SEE THESE CAR HANDLERS SHOW UP.
02:14:24PM WE HAVE OVERFLOW THAT JOSE IS ABOUT TO STATE.
02:14:26PM WE WILL TRY TO FIND OTHER PLACES TO PARK THEM.
02:14:29PM OBVIOUSLY THE ECONOMY AND MARKET FLUCTUATES, THE AMOUNT OF
02:14:33PM CARS BEING SOLD INCREASES OR DECREASES.
02:14:36PM SOMETIMES A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
02:14:38PM IF THEY ARE NOT MOVING, THEY WILL STAY.
02:14:40PM CAR TRANSPORTERS DOWN THE STREET COME PICK UP FIVE TO TEN
02:14:44PM CARS AND TAKE THEM OFF TO DEALERSHIPS.
02:14:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
02:14:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:14:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW MANY CAR ALSO BE ABLE TO BE PARKED HERE
02:14:53PM MAX?
02:14:54PM >> 2,000 TO 3,000 IN THIS SPACE.
02:14:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WAY TOO LARGE OF A RANGE.
02:15:02PM HOW MANY CARS?
02:15:03PM I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO TELL ME WITHIN THE TENs.
02:15:07PM IF YOU GUYS HAVE ENGINEERED THIS TO THIS DEGREE.
02:15:10PM >> WE DO.
02:15:11PM WE HAVE IT DOCUMENTED.
02:15:12PM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.
02:15:15PM I DON'T KNOW -- I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU WITH THE NUMBER.
02:15:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP WITH THIS CASE.
02:15:21PM SERIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
02:15:28PM >> HI --
02:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
02:15:35PM >> I BELIEVE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK UP THE CAR COUNT FOR YOU
02:15:39PM COMMISSIONER -- COUNCILMEMBER.
02:15:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW MANY CARS
02:15:44PM WOULD THIS TREE TAKE UP?
02:15:47PM >> I ALREADY STATED DISPLACE 15 TREES.
02:15:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 15 CAR SPACES.
02:15:53PM >> 15 CAR SPACES.
02:15:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE TELLING ME IN TEN ACRES, YOU ARE
02:16:01PM LOSING 15 CAR SPACES BECAUSE -- I HONESTLY CAN'T BELIEVE WE
02:16:06PM ARE HERE.
02:16:06PM BUT OKAY.
02:16:08PM THAT IS MY QUESTION.
02:16:08PM THANK YOU.
02:16:09PM >> AGAIN, OUR CONCERN IS NOT THE NUMBER OF CARS WE ARE
02:16:12PM LOSING --
02:16:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU -- I UNDERSTAND.
02:16:19PM THANK YOU.
02:16:19PM >> I WILL SPEAK QUICKLY THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES --
02:16:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.
02:16:26PM >> IN THE VARIANCE APPLICATION, WE HAD 1312.
02:16:32PM AND IMPACT TO THIS TREE 21 WAS -- REDUCE IT TO 1285.
02:16:40PM UP HERE.
02:16:43PM AND THEN A SLIGHTLY -- A SIMILAR NUMBER FOR THE OTHER TREE,
02:16:48PM BUT THAT HAS MORE IMPACTS TO THE ACCESSORY SLATED TO THE
02:16:52PM LEASE LIGHTS.
02:16:53PM IT DOESN'T REDUCE THE PARKING THIS MUCH.
02:16:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOLD ON.
02:16:57PM GO BACK TO THAT SECOND ONE.
02:16:59PM THIS IS WHERE I AM CONFUSED.
02:17:00PM NOW YOU HAD IT ON THE RIGHT.
02:17:02PM AND I CAN'T SEE IT.
02:17:03PM >> SORRY.
02:17:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW CAN YOU HAVE -- YOU SAID 2332 ORIGINAL
02:17:12PM PROPOSAL?
02:17:15PM >> 1312.
02:17:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 1312.
02:17:19PM THE OTHER ONE HAD 1312?
02:17:22PM >> THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
02:17:24PM THIS TABLE SHOWING WHAT IS PROPOSED AND WHAT THE REASONABLE
02:17:27PM RECON EFFECTS.
02:17:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO 12 SPACES FOR ONE TREE.
02:17:31PM AND 27 SPACES FOR ANOTHER.
02:17:35PM GOT IT.
02:17:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:17:42PM >> SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
02:17:46PM WE HAD TOO CLOSE.
02:17:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: RICKY, IF YOU CAN SHOW US THAT MAP AND SHOW
02:17:49PM US WHERE THE THREE TREES ARE THAT YOU ARE SAVING AND TELL US
02:17:52PM WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF THOSE.
02:17:54PM >> TREE 13 IS HERE.
02:18:03PM TREE 21 IS ABOUT THERE AND THE THREE GRAND TREES ARE HERE.
02:18:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE THREE THAT YOU ARE RETAINING.
02:18:09PM WHAT ARE YOU GIVING UP BY RETAINING THOSE?
02:18:12PM >> THEY ARE ADJACENT TO PART OF THE EXISTING POND THAT IS
02:18:15PM BEING EXPANDED.
02:18:16PM AND BECAUSE THE DRIVE AISLE -- THERE IS NO STORAGE ON THAT
02:18:20PM SIDE, IT WAS JUST A MASSAGING OF THE DRIVE AISLE TO
02:18:25PM ACCOMMODATE THOSE TREES IN PLACE.
02:18:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE NOT GIVING UP BY RETAINING THOSE.
02:18:31PM >> I AM CHRIS MATTHEWS.
02:18:32PM I AM THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.
02:18:34PM ACTUALLY TO AVOID THOSE TREES AS KIND OF A TRADE-OFF OF
02:18:39PM KEEPING THE TWO TREES WE ARE TRYING TO REMOVE.
02:18:42PM WE HAD NO MOVE THIS DRIVE AISLE OVER.
02:18:44PM SO WE ACTUALLY LOST A NUMBER OF TREES -- BASICALLY OF
02:18:50PM PARKING SPACES.
02:18:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU THINK YOU GAVE UP?
02:18:54PM >> TO QUANTIFY THAT, I WOULD SAY 0 TO 40.
02:18:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: ON ONE HAND, YOU ARE GIVING UP 30 TO 40
02:19:00PM SPACES.
02:19:00PM THE OTHER HAND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP 80 -- WE WILL GIVE
02:19:05PM UP HALF.
02:19:06PM MY NUMBERS AREN'T EXACTLY RIGHT.
02:19:08PM GIVE UP SOME SPACES AND ABLE TO HE ENGINEER AND GIVE 40
02:19:12PM SPACES FOR THE THREE TREES BUT DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE
02:19:15PM OTHER.
02:19:15PM LET ME ASK YOU FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT AND
02:19:18PM COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT.
02:19:19PM HOW IMPORTANT IS -- IS -- IS THE -- THE TIME THAT YOU --
02:19:25PM THAT YOU ARE -- YOU ARE ABLE TO OFFLOAD THESE CARS.
02:19:29PM SO IF OPERATIONALLY THE TREE SLOWED YOU DOWN, HOW IMPORTANT
02:19:33PM IS TIME TO MAINTAINING YOUR CUSTOMERS AND MAINTAINING THE
02:19:36PM EFFICIENCY OF THE PORT.
02:19:37PM HOW IMPORTANT ARE THESE ADDITIONAL 40 OR SO SPACES.
02:19:41PM HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE BUSINESS AND OPERATIONS.
02:19:45PM AND INCOME OF THE PORT.
02:19:47PM AND THEN -- ALSO, IF YOU -- EVEN IF YOU HAVE PYLONS AROUND
02:19:52PM THE TREES.
02:19:53PM IF YOU HIT THEM AND CRASHED THE CARS.
02:19:56PM WHAT IS THE RISK OR COST TO THE PORT BY DOING THAT.
02:20:00PM IF YOU DID THAT REGULARLY, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD YOU NOT ONLY
02:20:03PM HAVE THE EXPENSE OF THE CAR BUT POTENTIALLY LOSE THIS
02:20:06PM BUSINESS TO ANOTHER PORT OR ANOTHER CITY?
02:20:08PM AND WOULD THAT COST OUR PEOPLE BUYING CARS HERE MORE MONEY.
02:20:11PM THAT KIND OF THING.
02:20:12PM WHAT -- JUST AN EXTENSION OF MR. CLENDENIN -- COUNCILMAN
02:20:16PM CLENDENIN'S QUESTIONS AS WELL.
02:20:17PM WHAT IS THE COST TO THE PORT AND THE COMMUNITY IN -- BE IN
02:20:23PM -- IN NOT -- MAINTAINING THOSE TWO TREES.
02:20:25PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
02:20:28PM THE TYPICAL DELAYS IN THE MARITIME INDUSTRY.
02:20:32PM $30,000 TO $40,000 A DAY.
02:20:34PM BEING DELAYED OF UNLOADING AND LOADING A VESSEL RUNNING WITH
02:20:38PM A 30,000 TO $40,000 PRICE TAG WHOEVER IS LEASING THE VESSEL.
02:20:42PM AND THE BUSINESS IS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE.
02:20:49PM USED TO BE FROM SOUTH AMERICA AND COMING FROM SAVANNAH AND
02:20:54PM MEXICO AS WELL.
02:20:55PM A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE MARKET.
02:20:57PM PORT AUTHORITY HAS A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THEY ARE ALL
02:21:08PM LABOR JOBS AND A HEAVY IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.
02:21:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD
02:21:14PM PRESENTATION BEFORE CHARLES KLUG HAS BEEN IN HERE BECAUSE OF
02:21:20PM ENCROACHMENT BY DEVELOPMENT.
02:21:21PM PEOPLE LIKE BUILD CONDOS AND TAKE OVER THE PORT.
02:21:24PM HE HAS PRESENTED THAT THERE IS LITTLE OR NO LAND AVAILABLE.
02:21:27PM SO IF YOU SAID, OKAY, THESE TREES ARE IN THE WAY.
02:21:30PM IF SOMEBODY SAID PICK THIS UP AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
02:21:33PM IS THERE SPACE TO MOVE IT TO?
02:21:40PM >> THE CHANNEL IS -- IT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE TO DREDGE
02:21:47PM A NEW CHANNEL OFF TO UNDEVELOPED LAND.
02:21:49PM SO THE DEVELOPED LAND WE HAVE ADJACENT OR UNDEVELOPED LAND
02:21:53PM ASSAY INTELLIGENT TO THE FEDERAL LAND IS DIMINISHING QUICKLY
02:21:57PM AND WE NEED THAT.
02:21:57PM YOU CAN NOT MOVE THE FACILITY.
02:22:00PM ECONOMICALLY NOT VIABLE TO CREATE A NEW CHANNEL.
02:22:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL.
02:22:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO KNOW THE SAME AREA THAT
02:22:10PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS RELATE TO IT, MOVING TO ONE SIDE.
02:22:14PM SOIL BORINGS.
02:22:16PM WHAT CAPACITY AND WHAT DID YOU FIND?
02:22:18PM >> WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF SANDY AND CLAY MATERIAL.
02:22:20PM THE PAVEMENT EXCEPTION WILL BE EXCAVATED DOWN TWO FEET AND
02:22:24PM REBUILD THAT BACK UP TO HANDLE THE LOADING OF THE VEHICLE
02:22:27PM AND THE TRAFFIC HAULERS.
02:22:28PM >> THE TREES WERE SURVIVING, THREE TREES NOW THAT YOU ARE
02:22:31PM NOT GOING TO MOVE?
02:22:34PM >> YES, COMMISSIONER -- COUNCILMAN, NOT A TON OF TREES.
02:22:37PM HALF OF THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO FOR A
02:22:40PM CRUISE TERMINAL THAT WENT EXTINCT AND USED FOR BREAK BULK,
02:22:45PM LUMBER AND STEEL FOR CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN LAID THERE AND
02:22:50PM CONVERTING INTO RAILROAD DUE TO THE EXPANSION OF OUR
02:22:53PM RAILROAD BUSINESS.
02:22:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
02:22:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
02:22:58PM ANYTHING FURTHER IN YOUR PRESENTATION?
02:23:00PM >> NO, COUNCILMAN.
02:23:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:23:04PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
02:23:08PM LORRAINE PERRINO REGISTERED AND I SEE HER IN THE AUDIENCE.
02:23:13PM NO ONE ELSE REGISTERED ONLINE.
02:23:15PM STATE YOUR NAME.
02:23:16PM PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND WITH THE PART.
02:23:20PM >> I AM AN ENGINEERING AND CONTRACTOR AND WORKING AT THE
02:23:23PM PORT FOR 12 YEARS.
02:23:24PM I AM NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
02:23:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WOULD BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
02:23:29PM YOU CAN SPEAK AT REBUTTAL TIME, BUT NOW OPEN TO GENERAL
02:23:32PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:23:33PM >> I THOUGHT I WAS GENERAL PUBLIC.
02:23:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE DID WORK WITH THE PORT.
02:23:41PM ARE YOU REPRESENTING?
02:23:42PM >> NO, I AM NOT REPRESENTING.
02:23:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY --
02:23:45PM >> I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS THERE.
02:23:46PM I'M HERE FOR A CITY OF TAMPA PROJECT.
02:23:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, AFTER THE YOUNG LEADER SPEAKS WE
02:23:51PM WILL GO TO YOU, YOUNG LADY.
02:23:52PM >> YOUNG LADY?
02:23:54PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:23:55PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:23:56PM MY NAME IS ALISON DATE.
02:23:59PM I AM MEMBER OF THE TAMPA SIERRA CLUB AND THE TAMPA TREE
02:24:04PM ADVOCACY GROUP.
02:24:05PM DESPITE OUR EFFORTS -- WE CONTINUE TO LOSE TREES IN TAMPA AS
02:24:11PM YOU KNOW.
02:24:11PM AND I WANT TO SHARE SOME NEW FINDINGS IN A RECENT STUDY.
02:24:17PM THIS IS SORT OF AN INFORMATIONAL BLURB FOR TREES, WE NEED
02:24:27PM THEM MORE THAN THEY NEED US.
02:24:28PM A RECENT STUDY IN "NATURE" THAT EXPLAINS HOW TREE BARK
02:24:32PM SURFACES PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE OF REMOVING METHANE GAS FROM
02:24:36PM THE ATMOSPHERE.
02:24:36PM HERE ARE SOME EXCERPTS FROM THE ARTICLE.
02:24:40PM CARROLL ANN SENT YOU THIS ARTICLE THIS WEEK.
02:24:44PM TREES HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BENEFIT CLIMATE BY REMOVING CARBON
02:24:48PM DIOXIDE FROM THE ATMOSPHERE UNLIKE CARS OR PETRO CARS, AN
02:24:55PM INTERNATIONAL TEAM OF RESEARCHERS HAVE SHOWN FOR THE FIRST
02:24:58PM TIME THAT BUGS LIVING IN THE BARK OR WOOD ITSELF REMOVING
02:25:07PM ATMOSPHERIC OF SOIL.
02:25:10PM IN NEWLY DISCOVERED PROCESS, IT MAKES TREES 10% MORE
02:25:14PM BENEFICIAL FOR CLIMATE THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.
02:25:17PM METHANE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 30% OF GLOBAL WARMING.
02:25:26PM ALTHOUGH MOST METHANE IS REMOVED BY PROCESSES IN THE
02:25:31PM ATMOSPHERE, SOILS ARE FULL OF BACTERIA THAT ABSORB THE GAS
02:25:34PM AND BREAK IT DOWN FOR USE AS ENERGY.
02:25:37PM SOIL HAS THOUGHT TO BE THE ONLY TERRESTRIAL SINK FOR METHANE
02:25:44PM BUT RESEARCH SHOWS THAT TREES ARE AS IMPORTANT AND PERHAPS
02:25:47PM MORE SO.
02:25:47PM THE LEAD OF RESEARCHER SAID THE MAIN WAYS IN WHICH WE
02:25:52PM CONSIDER THE CONTRIBUTION OF TREES TO THE ENVIRONMENT
02:25:58PM THROUGH ABSORBING CARBON DIOXIDE THROUGH PHOTO.
02:26:00PM AND RESTORING IT AS CARBON.
02:26:08PM A NEW WAY FOR TREES OF CLIMATE SERVICE.
02:26:11PM TREE WOODY SERVICES ADD A NEW DIMENSION WITH THE WAIT LIFE
02:26:15PM ON EARTH INTERACTS WITH THE ATMOSPHERE AND THIRD DIMENSION
02:26:19PM IT TEEMING WITH LIFE.
02:26:21PM PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS INDICATE THAT THE CORRECTION OF
02:26:24PM TREE IS BETWEEN 25 TO 50 MILLION TONS OF METHANE.
02:26:29PM THE GLOBAL METHANE PLEDGED LAUNCHED IN 2021 AT THE CLIMATE
02:26:35PM CHANGE.
02:26:36PM AND BY THE END OF THE, DECADE,
02:26:39PM OUR RESULTS SUGGEST THAT PLANTING MORE TREES AND REDUCING
02:26:44PM DEFORESTATION MUST BE IMPORTANT PARTS OF ANY APPROACH TOWARD
02:26:47PM THIS GOAL.
02:26:48PM EVERY HEALTHY, MATURE, AND GRAND TREE LEFT STANDING HELPS
02:26:52PM RESTORE OUR ATMOSPHERE.
02:26:53PM PLEASE UPHOLD THE VRB DECISION, FOLLOW OUR TREE CODE, AND
02:26:58PM PROTECT THESE TREES THAT ARE PROTECTING US.
02:27:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:27:02PM APPRECIATE THAT.
02:27:03PM SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO --
02:27:05PM >> YES.
02:27:06PM YES.
02:27:06PM SORRY, I AM --
02:27:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME.
02:27:10PM >> KEITH COATES.
02:27:11PM I AM WITH A CONSTRUCTION GROUP.
02:27:13PM I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PORT FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE
02:27:16PM PATRICK AND JOSE AND A LOT OF THEM.
02:27:17PM I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH
02:27:20PM PORT OPERATIONS.
02:27:21PM AND I AM AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER.
02:27:24PM I DO A LOT OF CIVIL ENGINEERING.
02:27:26PM YOU KNOW, THEY ARE TALKING OF THE PARKING SPACES.
02:27:29PM YOU THINK OH, PARK AROUND THEM LIKE A PARK LOT BECAUSE WE DO
02:27:32PM ALL OF THAT.
02:27:33PM NOT SO MUCH JUST THAT, BECAUSE AT THE PORT, ALL MY YEARS OF
02:27:37PM EXPERIENCE, I CAN SEE THIS GO AWAY IN A MONTH AND THEN BRING
02:27:42PM IN STEEL.
02:27:43PM NOW THEY CAN'T.
02:27:44PM LIKE HAVING A TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTAINER YARD.
02:27:47PM THE LOCATION BEING IN THE CENTER OF THE MASS OF CONCRETE.
02:27:50PM RIGHT IN THE DEAD CENTER.
02:27:52PM ALL THE TREES ON THE SIDE ARE NOT A BIG DEAL.
02:27:54PM THEY ARE NOT A DANGER, BUT THE LOCATION OF IT.
02:27:56PM AS AN ENGINEER, I WOULD BE NERVOUS FOR SOME OF THE
02:28:00PM OPERATIONS.
02:28:00PM MAYBE PARKING CARS, NOT SO MUCH.
02:28:02PM BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN A MONTH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER TENANT WOULD
02:28:06PM SAY I WOULD LOVE TO USE THAT FOR PUTTING THIS STEEL.
02:28:09PM THEY HAVE BEEN BRINGING IN STEEL, WOOD.
02:28:11PM THINGS CHANGE.
02:28:12PM CARGO IS UP.
02:28:14PM YOU KNOW WE GOT THE MOST CARGO COMING IN THE PORT NOW WITH
02:28:18PM THE NEWS REPORTS I SEE.
02:28:19PM AND WHEN I AM OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T USE IT.
02:28:22PM IT IS RIGHT IN THE WAY.
02:28:23PM IT IS TOO DANGEROUS.
02:28:24PM THEY HAVE FORKLIFTS RUNNING.
02:28:26PM GIANT FORKLIFTS.
02:28:28PM THEY RUN AN INCH OFF THE GROUND.
02:28:30PM TREE ROOTS COME UP, THEY ARE GOING TO CALL SAFETY HAZARDS.
02:28:34PM STUFF FALLS OVER.
02:28:36PM PEOPLE GET KILLED.
02:28:37PM FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE LOCATION IS NOT SO MUCH
02:28:40PM WHERE THEY CAN PLANT THE -- THE TREES ALONG THE BORDER.
02:28:43PM AND THIS WOULDN'T HURT THEIR OPERATION, BUT IT IS RIGHT IN
02:28:46PM THE DEAD CENTER OF WHATEVER GAS, TEN ACRES.
02:28:49PM THEY ARE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF IT AND WHERE THE PROBLEM
02:28:53PM LIES AND COULDN'T USE IT FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
02:28:55PM IF YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT FOCUS REAL THAT ARE ROW AT
02:28:58PM PARKING CARS, YES.
02:28:59PM LOOKING FOR BIG PICTURE AND PORT GROWTH, I WOULD SAY THEY
02:29:03PM ARE BETTER OFF TO PLANT.
02:29:04PM YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND GET THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT THE
02:29:07PM ENGINEER OF RECORD HAD DONE.
02:29:09PM AND FIND SOME PLACES TO PLANT THEM, THEY WILL STILL GET THE
02:29:12PM OXYGEN AND STILL PROVIDE -- I THINK THESE TREES WERE
02:29:15PM PROBABLY PLANTED THERE 40 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT WAS A CRUISE
02:29:20PM TERMINAL AT A TIME.
02:29:20PM NOW THEY ARE IN A VERY BAD SPOT.
02:29:22PM AND THEY ARE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE
02:29:25PM TEN ACRES.
02:29:26PM JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FROM AN OUTSIDER'S PERSPECTIVE ON
02:29:29PM IT.
02:29:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:29:32PM NEXT.
02:29:33PM >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:29:36PM MY NAME IS NANCY STEVENS.
02:29:39PM MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND THE TREE ADVOCACY
02:29:45PM GROUP.
02:29:45PM AND THE BENEFIT OF TREES KEEP BEING TOP IN MIND THAT LIVE
02:29:50PM OAKS ARE PARTICULARLY VALUABLE.
02:29:51PM THE MOST VALUABLE TREES IN FLORIDA.
02:29:53PM AND THEY ARE ALSO VERY RARE.
02:29:54PM 2.8% OF OUR CANOPY.
02:29:57PM AND THEY DO ALL THE WORK.
02:29:58PM IN PARTICULAR, THESE TWO TREES THAT ARE IN THIS INDUSTRIAL
02:30:01PM PARK, THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN THAT SPACE.
02:30:04PM IF THEY WERE MITIGATED SOME PLACE ELSE, THEY WOULDN'T BE
02:30:08PM QUITE SO VALUABLE.
02:30:09PM SO I HAVE -- I HAVE SOME PAGES FROM THE TREE STUDY.
02:30:15PM THIS ONE SHOWS THE CARBON BENEFIT OF LIVE OAKS.
02:30:19PM THE BOTTOM LINE, ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE.
02:30:22PM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT LIVE OAKS AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS ARE
02:30:26PM VERY RARE.
02:30:26PM MOST OF THEM -- MOST IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS --
02:30:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND.
02:30:33PM IF YOU WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, IF YOU CAN TAKE IT
02:30:36PM OUTSIDE.
02:30:36PM IT IS PICKED UP ON THE MIC.
02:30:40PM THANK YOU.
02:30:40PM >> I ALSO -- THEY ALSO HELP AVOID RUNOFF.
02:30:46PM HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE AGAIN.
02:30:48PM LIVE OAKS NUMBER ONE IN AVOIDING RUNOFF.
02:30:50PM AND AGAIN, INDUSTRIAL AREAS, THEY ARE VERY RARE.
02:30:53PM THESE ARE RARE -- RARE OF THE RAREST TREES.
02:30:56PM THEY ALSO -- YOU KNOW, SILL SOAK UP INDUSTRIAL POLLUTANTS
02:31:05PM FROM THE WATER AND PREVENT THEM FROM GOING IN THE BAY.
02:31:08PM HAVING THEM ON THE BAY YOU ARE PROVIDING A BENEFIT RIGHT
02:31:11PM THERE.
02:31:12PM SO, AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD, THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION IS
02:31:19PM AVAILABLE THAT TAKES AWAY A FEW SPACES.
02:31:21PM IT CAN BE EASILY RECONFIGURE RATED.
02:31:25PM NO HARDSHIP TO DO THAT THAT OUT OUTWEIGHS THE BENEFIT OF THE
02:31:28PM TREE.
02:31:29PM WE HAVE A TREE CODE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE VALUE OF THE TREES
02:31:32PM HERE IN TAMPA THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA ARE PAID
02:31:37PM WITH PAVED WITH NO VEGETATION AT ALL AND THEY ARE MUCH MORE
02:31:42PM VALUABLE HERE.
02:31:43PM AND MAYBE WE WENT SEE THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE EXISTING
02:31:48PM INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.
02:31:49PM AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO CONTROL FLOODWATERS.
02:31:52PM ABSORB CARBON DIOXIDE.
02:31:54PM THESE ARE THINGS WE WANT AND TREES ARE DOING THAT.
02:31:58PM AND WHY WOULD WE TAKE DOWN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE TO
02:32:01PM HELP US.
02:32:01PM THANK YOU.
02:32:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:32:08PM CAN WE KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS IN THE BACK DOWN.
02:32:14PM SIR.
02:32:16PM >> A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH THREE NAMES.
02:32:26PM SANDY SANCHEZ, ADRIAN -- SANDY SANCHEZ.
02:32:31PM ADRIAN LARAMIE, OKAY.
02:32:35PM AND ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
02:32:37PM DO I SEE THE NAME, ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
02:32:40PM YOU ARE WAIVING A MINUTE?
02:32:41PM OKAY.
02:32:41PM VERY GOOD.
02:32:42PM THREE EXTRA MINUTES.
02:32:45PM A TOTAL OF SIX.
02:32:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
02:32:51PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:32:52PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE-LONG RESIDENT AND
02:32:58PM FOUNDING MEMBER OF TREE TAG.
02:32:59PM MR. PETERIKA'S STATEMENT SAY A HEALTHY LIVE OAK ISOLATED IN
02:33:06PM A PARKING LOT.
02:33:07PM HEALTHY AND STOUT TREE.
02:33:09PM YOU CAN SEE THE COULD BE CRETE HERE AND HERE AND HERE.
02:33:11PM THEY CAN SAVE THIS TREE AND DEVELOP THIS SITE WITH 1285
02:33:19PM SPACES FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKING OF IMPORTED VEHICLES.
02:33:23PM THAT IS A MERE 2% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF SPACES.
02:33:27PM THEY CAN BUILD 98% OF THE PARKING SPACES THEY WANT.
02:33:34PM THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION HERE THAT THEY MIGHT TALK ABOUT
02:33:38PM IS ONLY ABOUT NINE AND A HALF INCHES.
02:33:42PM AND IF YOU ASK MR. EYSTER, HE SAYS IF THE TREE WELL IS THE
02:33:48PM SIZE OF THE CANOPY, THIS PROJECT IS 457,380 SQUARE FEET.
02:33:53PM THE SPACE NEEDED FOR THIS TREE A .7% OF THE SITE.
02:33:59PM THEY CAN KEEP THE TREE AND RETAIN 99.3% OF THEIR SQUARE
02:34:04PM FOOTAGE, BUT THEY WANT TO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE DRIVERS THEY
02:34:07PM HIRE ARE SO BAD, SO IN-DEPTH THAT THEY CAN'T EFFICIENTLY
02:34:14PM PARK THE CARS BECAUSE OH, MY GOD, THERE IS GRASS AND COST
02:34:17PM $30,000 OR $40,000.
02:34:19PM THE SECOND TREE IS SURROUNDED BY CONCRETE ON A LITTLE SPACE
02:34:27PM ISLAND A THRIVING B-5.
02:34:30PM YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.
02:34:30PM THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW.
02:34:33PM COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY CONCRETE.
02:34:34PM AND THIS TREE ISN'T ON THE PROPERTY.
02:34:37PM HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:34:39PM THIS IS TREE NUMBER 13.
02:34:44PM THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER.
02:34:48PM AND AS YOU SAW IN THE AERIAL, THE TREE IS SURROUNDED BY
02:34:51PM CONCRETE.
02:34:52PM THEY CAN USE THE CONCRETE THAT IS ALREADY THERE ON THE OTHER
02:34:56PM SIDE OF THE TREE.
02:34:57PM THEY ARE STRAIGHTENING THIS ACCESS ROAD RIGHT HERE THAT
02:35:02PM CURVES SLIGHTLY ON TO THIS PROPERTY.
02:35:04PM THEY ARE STRAIGHTENING IT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
02:35:08PM AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY CAN DRIVE RIGHT AROUND IT, BECAUSE
02:35:11PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS CONCRETE RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER
02:35:14PM SIDE OF THAT TREE.
02:35:14PM THE ACCESS ROAD THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT STRAIGHTENING IS
02:35:22PM RIGHT HERE.
02:35:22PM THIS LITTLE PART RIGHT HERE.
02:35:24PM THEY CAN GO RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
02:35:26PM THE ACCESS ROAD THAT -- THAT -- THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE
02:35:30PM FOR THE PROPERTY THAT -- THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING IS NOT
02:35:32PM THAT ONE.
02:35:33PM IT IS HERE.
02:35:34PM THIS IS THE ACCESS ROAD FOR THE PROPERTY THEY ARE
02:35:37PM CONSIDERING.
02:35:37PM THIS IS A FENCE.
02:35:38PM THIS IS THE GATE.
02:35:39PM IN LEGAL CITATION IS FROM GINA GRIMES.
02:35:46PM IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE LAW THAT A LANDOWNER IS ENTITLED TO
02:35:50PM THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THEIR LAND.
02:35:53PM THEY CAN PAVE 98% OF THE SPACES AND 99.3% OF THE SQUARE
02:35:58PM FOOTAGE THEY WANT.
02:35:59PM WANTING EVERY LAST INCH IS NOT A LEGAL BASIS FOR A HARDSHIP
02:36:04PM OR VARIANCE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO DETERMINE.
02:36:07PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HELD A WORKSHOP THAT VARIANCES ARE NOT
02:36:11PM SUPPOSED TO BE GRANTED JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS
02:36:13PM MORE THAN THE CODE ALLOWS.
02:36:14PM WELL-ESTABLISHED VARIANCE LAW, THAT THE VARIANCES SHOULD BE
02:36:20PM RARE AND NOT BE GRANTED JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS A POOL OR
02:36:23PM WANTS A GARAGE OR WANTS 2% MORE.
02:36:26PM PRESERVING THESE TREES DOES NOT STOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
02:36:31PM PROPERTY OR ITS REASONABLE USE.
02:36:32PM THE STAFF REPORT IS INCONSISTENT, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET
02:36:35PM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VARIANCE OR OUR CODE.
02:36:38PM I QUOTE, INCONSISTENT.
02:36:40PM THE SITE CURRENTLY LACKS ANY STRUCTURES.
02:36:42PM LOADING AREAS CAN BE REDUCED TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO GRAND
02:36:45PM TREES.
02:36:46PM EXISTING ROAD IS SERVING PURPOSE OF ACCOMMODATING THE SITE.
02:36:52PM THE ABSENCE OF STRUCTURES AND FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST STORAGE
02:36:56PM AREAS, THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN 27-284 IS NOT BEING MET.
02:37:01PM THE BURDEN TO PROVE THE EXISTENCE -- SORRY, LAST YEAR, A
02:37:08PM VARIANCE WAS DENIED AND THE APPLICANT CHOSE THE OPTION OF
02:37:11PM APPEALING TO A SPECIAL HEARING OFFICER.
02:37:13PM HERE IS THE FINAL REPORT BY THE DULY APPOINTED HEARING
02:37:16PM OFFICER.
02:37:16PM THEY SAID NO HARDSHIP EXISTED AND GAVE THESE LEGAL CITATIONS
02:37:20PM FOR SUPPORTING THE DENIAL.
02:37:23PM THIS IS THE LAW.
02:37:23PM THE BURDEN TO PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THE REQUIRED HARDSHIP
02:37:28PM AND UNIQUE CONDITIONS ARE ON THE APPLICANT SEEKING A
02:37:30PM VARIANCE.
02:37:31PM UNDER FLORIDA LAW, A MERE ECONOMIC DISADVANTAGE OR THE
02:37:34PM OWNER'S MERE PREFERENCE WHAT WE LIKE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY
02:37:38PM IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONSTITUTE A HARDSHIP ENTITLING THE
02:37:42PM OWNER TO A VARIANCE.
02:37:43PM FLORIDA COURTS FIND A HARDSHIP REQUIRED FOR A VARIANCE IS
02:37:47PM ONLY WHERE THE PROPERTY IS VIRTUALLY UNUSABLE OR INCAPABLE
02:37:51PM OF YIELDING REASONABLE RETURN AND HARDSHIP MUST BE UNRELATED
02:37:56PM TO THE SELF-ORIGINATED EXPECTATIONS OF ITS OWNERS.
02:38:01PM THERE IS NO VESTED RIGHT UNDER FLORIDA LAW TO DEVELOP
02:38:07PM PROPERTY AT THE MAXIMUM GROSS DENSITY IN THE ZONING DISTRICT
02:38:10PM OR LAND USE.
02:38:11PM WHO OTHERWISE WOULD WITH NEGATE THE ABILITY OF THE IS IT I
02:38:15PM TO REQUIRE SET- ASIDES FOR WETLANDS, RIGHT-OF-WAY, ETC.
02:38:21PM THE CITY'S TREE REGULAR REGULATIONS ARE NO DIFFERENT AND
02:38:26PM MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE DUE DILIGENCE REQUIRED BY THE
02:38:30PM DEVELOPER.
02:38:30PM DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A HARD HIP OR VARIANCE.
02:38:33PM THE SITE WAS 3400 SQUARE FEET SMALLER, THEY COULD AND BUILD
02:38:37PM THIS.
02:38:37PM IF THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG ONE SIDE DIFFERENT, THEY WOULD
02:38:43PM AND COO BUILD THIS.
02:38:45PM 389,000-SQUARE-FOOT SITE.
02:38:48PM THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE DEBIT CARD WITH THE PROPERTY LINE
02:38:54PM WAS DIFFERENT.
02:38:55PM IN THEY CAN AVOID CARS DRIVEN ON PAVEMENT.
02:38:59PM THEY CAN AVOID A TREE WELL AND PLEASE UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
02:39:04PM AND BE THIS IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK THAT THE.
02:39:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:39:10PM NEXT SPEAKER.
02:39:11PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:39:14PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:39:15PM LORRAINE PERRINO.
02:39:18PM I AM PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
02:39:21PM THE 2021 URBAN TREE ANALYSIS SHOWED TREE CANOPY IS LOWEST IN
02:39:28PM 26 YEARS.
02:39:28PM TAMPA LOST 300 ACRES SINCE 2011.
02:39:32PM AREA OF SIZE OF FOUR DAVIS ISLANDS, 35 AL LOPEZ PARKS, 2025
02:39:42PM TIMES THE AREA OF RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
02:39:44PM THIS IS WHAT 3300 ACRES LOST TREES LOOK LIKE.
02:39:49PM EVERY RED DOT IS A HOUSE IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT WAS RAZED.
02:39:55PM DESTROYING ONE OR SEVERAL GRAND TREES.
02:39:57PM THEY ARE GIANT AIR CONDITIONERS ABSORBING WATER THROUGH THE
02:40:01PM ROOTS AND RELEASING WATER VAPOR.
02:40:03PM AIR TEMPERATURES UNDER A TREE ARE UP TO 25 DEGREES COOLER.
02:40:05PM COOLER SUMMER TEMPERATURES FLOW FROM A HEALTHY TREE CANOPY
02:40:10PM EASING THE DRESS OF TREE ISLANDS AND GLOBAL WARM WILLING.
02:40:14PM THEY STORE WATER, HELP WITH POLLUTION AND PROVIDE SUPPORT
02:40:18PM FOR NATIVE WILDFIRE.
02:40:19PM THE TWO LIVE OAKS BY THE PORT AUTHORITY ARE THE MOST
02:40:22PM VALUABLE SPECIES OF TREES IN FLORIDA.
02:40:24PM COMPRISING LESS THAN 12% OF TREES IN TAMPA, LIVE OAKS HAVE
02:40:28PM CANOPY SPREAD THAN ANY OTHER TREE.
02:40:31PM TAMPA'S URBAN TREE SEQUESTERED 1710 MILLION CARBON TO THE
02:40:37PM CITY.
02:40:37PM A 27% LIVE OAK STORED MORE CARBON THAN ANY OTHER TREE.
02:40:43PM URBAN TREES MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE NEXT OF POLLUTANTS AND
02:40:48PM STORMWATER RUNOFF BY CATCHING RAINFALL BEFORE IT HITS THE
02:40:52PM GROUND PREVENTING IT TO FLOW FROM THE NEAREST BODY OF WATER.
02:40:55PM 50%, LIVE OAKS CAPTURE MORE RUNOFF THAN ANY OTHER TREE.
02:41:01PM A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
02:41:04PM AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO TAMPA GRAND TREES ARE
02:41:08PM PRECIOUS AND MUST BE PRESERVED.
02:41:09PM TAMPANIANS NEED THEM FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF
02:41:14PM FUTURE GENERATIONS.
02:41:15PM AND DESPITE THE VALUE OF LIVE OAKS, TAMPA CONTINUES TO
02:41:19PM DESTROY THEM AS IF THEY WERE SOMEONE'S TRASH, DESTROYING SO
02:41:22PM MANY GRAND TREES THAT THEY ARE NOW CONSIDERED TO BE RARE.
02:41:24PM WOULD YOU THROW OUT A PRECIOUS TREASURE THAT YOU INHERITED?
02:41:28PM DESTROYING THESE VALUABLE LIVE OAKS IS LIKE THROWING AWAY AN
02:41:33PM ANCIENT COIN PRICED AT HUNDREDS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
02:41:37PM HOW CAN HE BE SO FOOLISH.
02:41:40PM WE CAN REPLANT TREES OF THE ONES WE ARE DESTROYING, BUT CAN
02:41:44PM YOU WAIT 75 YEARS OF THE ONES DESTROYED.
02:41:48PM AND TREE ORDINANCE MANDATES TO SAVE A GRAND OAK, PLANS MUST
02:41:52PM BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED.
02:41:54PM IF THE PORT AUTHORITIES ASPIRING TO BE A GOOD CORPORATE
02:41:58PM CITIZEN, IT MUST RECONSIDER TO SAVE BOTH OF THESE VALUABLE
02:42:02PM TREES.
02:42:03PM EASY PEASY.
02:42:04PM FOLLOW THE CODE.
02:42:05PM SAVE THESE GRANDS.
02:42:07PM REPHRASING JOANIE MITCHELL'S DON'T PAVE PARADISE TO PUT UP A
02:42:12PM PARKING LOT.
02:42:12PM THANK YOU.
02:42:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:42:20PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:42:23PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
02:42:26PM I AM NOT A TREE HUGGER BUT MY FRIENDS ARE.
02:42:30PM THIS PARKING LOT IS TWICE THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT
02:42:33PM OUTSIDE THIS WINDOW.
02:42:34PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT A GRAND TREE OR NOT, BUT A PRETTY DAMN
02:42:38PM BIG TREE.
02:42:39PM THE THING THEY ARE TELLING YOU THESE GUYS THAT PULL CARS ON
02:42:44PM TRACTOR-TRAILERS AND PULL THEM OFF OF TRACTOR-TRAILERS ARE
02:42:46PM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO PARK AROUND A TREE.
02:42:48PM HMM.
02:42:50PM IT IS CONFUSING TO ME.
02:42:52PM MAYBE I AM TOO STUPID, BUT I CAN GET IN A PARKING SPOT.
02:42:56PM 10-FOOT X 20-FOOT BASICALLY.
02:43:00PM LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AT THAT PROPERTY, AND AT LEAST ONE SIZE
02:43:04PM OF THAT.
02:43:04PM PROBABLY TWO.
02:43:05PM FOR A TREE THAT THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO PARK AROUND.
02:43:08PM OH, MY GOODNESS.
02:43:10PM AND YOU GUYS KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYBODY THAT I AM ALL ABOUT
02:43:13PM PRESERVING INDUSTRIAL LAND.
02:43:15PM BUT BY GOD, COMMON SENSE BE DAMNED.
02:43:20PM HERE WE GO AGAIN.
02:43:21PM YOU GUYS ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THE
02:43:24PM POLICY IS.
02:43:25PM WHAT YOU ARE MAKING A DECISION ON IS MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO
02:43:28PM THE RULE.
02:43:28PM BE AND UNLIKE THE ONE EARLIER THE ONE AGREED WITH WHICH A
02:43:36PM WAS COMMON SENSE TO MAKE THE EXCEPTION.
02:43:38PM I BELIEVE IN THIS COMMON SENSE, THIS IS A GUESS.
02:43:46PM THE CARS ARE SHIPPED HERE WITH PLASTIC COATING.
02:43:49PM MORE DANGER DRIVING DOWN THE INTERSTATE THAN THEY ARE
02:43:53PM PARKING CLOSE TO A GRAND TREE OR AN OFF-SITE GRAND TREE.
02:43:56PM SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS THE ANNUAL PEN FITS FROM
02:44:03PM THE TREES -- AND MY TREE FRIENDS GIVING IT TO ME.
02:44:05PM TOTAL ANNUAL BENEFITS IS $3.6 MILLION.
02:44:08PM AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE LOST SO MUCH OF THE TREE CANOPY.
02:44:12PM AND LORAINNE SHOWED YOU.
02:44:19PM EATEN THE TREE CANOPY ONE TREE AT A TIME.
02:44:22PM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
02:44:25PM WHY DO WE NEED SOMETHING TWICE THE SIZE OF OUR PARKING LOT
02:44:29PM FOR CARS TO PARK -- I AM SORRY, BUT I CAN'T -- I JUST CAN'T.
02:44:33PM THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
02:44:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:44:37PM ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
02:44:39PM ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS?
02:44:41PM NO?
02:44:42PM ANYTHING?
02:44:47PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -- STEVEN EYSTER WITH
02:44:52PM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH.
02:44:53PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS.
02:44:56PM THIS IS THE SITE AS IT STANDS TODAY.
02:44:58PM THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE.
02:45:01PM THE DIFFERENCE A LOT OF TIMES ARE, WE ARE RESTRICTED BY THE
02:45:05PM SIZE OF THE LOT.
02:45:06PM RIGHT-OF-WAY RESTRICTIONS.
02:45:07PM THINGS LIKE THAT.
02:45:08PM THIS PROPERTY ALL AROUND THROUGH HERE IS ALL RIGHT-OF-WAY
02:45:12PM OWNED BY THE PORT.
02:45:14PM THE ACCESS POINT WHERE THE TREE SITS IS HERE.
02:45:17PM LET ME USE MY -- SO THIS -- THIS LOT IS BEING SEPARATED BY A
02:45:23PM FENCE DUE TO WHATEVER AGREEMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE.
02:45:26PM THE ENTRANCE IS HERE.
02:45:28PM SO WE HAVE TO COME AND TURN HERE AND THIS IS STRAIGHT AND
02:45:36PM THE TREE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPACTED ON THIS EXISTING
02:45:41PM PORT FACILITY NOW HAS TO BE REMOVED.
02:45:44PM THIS ACCESS ROAD IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR BOTH
02:45:48PM SITES.
02:45:49PM AND THEY HAVE TO SEPARATE IT OUT DUE TO SECURITY REASONS.
02:45:52PM OKAY.
02:45:53PM BUT THIS TREE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AROUND.
02:45:56PM IT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONCRETED.
02:45:58PM IT HAS GOT CONCRETE 360.
02:46:01PM THE ONLY TREE REALLY THAT NEEDS ANY SPECIAL PROVISIONS WOULD
02:46:05PM BE THIS TREE RIGHT HERE.
02:46:06PM AND THAT IS MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE.
02:46:13PM LIKE STATED BEFORE, THESE TREES COME OUT, THEY HAVE NO SPACE
02:46:21PM LEFT TO MITIGATE.
02:46:21PM OVER HERE IS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMMODATED OF GRAND TREES ON THE
02:46:28PM EXISTING STORMWATER POND.
02:46:30PM WHERE DOES THE MITIGATION GO FOR THESE TWO.
02:46:32PM BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BUFFERS LEFT HERE OR HERE.
02:46:41PM THAT'S IT.
02:46:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:46:46PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:46:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:46:51PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:46:52PM I WANT TO STATE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
02:46:54PM FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED UNDER THE VARIANCE
02:46:59PM CRITERIA.
02:47:00PM AND I KNOW -- I KNOW THE CODE SECTIONS, BUT THE CODE SECTION
02:47:06PM IS HARDSHIP.
02:47:07PM I BELIEVE IT WAS ALLUDED TO IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT
02:47:09PM THAT YOU HEARD, BUT THERE ARE LEGAL STANDARDS WHAT IS OR
02:47:12PM WHAT IS NOT A HARDSHIP UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
02:47:14PM AND IT WAS STATED THAT ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS ARE NOT
02:47:18PM SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY A HARDSHIP.
02:47:20PM SO THAT IS PART OF THE ESTABLISHED CASE LAW IN FLORIDA.
02:47:24PM SO I DID WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THAT.
02:47:27PM THERE WAS COMP PLAN CONSIDERATIONS LISTED OFF BY THE
02:47:31PM PETITIONER AS WELL AND THAT SUN CONSIDERATIONS.
02:47:35PM THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SELF-IMPOSED.
02:47:40PM SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO
02:47:43PM ANSWER THEM.
02:47:43PM THAT IS ALL I HAD AT THIS POINT.
02:47:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
02:47:46PM IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO REBUTTAL.
02:47:49PM THE PETITIONER HAS FIVE MINUTES OF REBUTTAL, YES, SIR.
02:47:52PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:47:53PM RICKY PETERIKA.
02:47:55PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
02:47:56PM I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF POINTS QUICKLY.
02:47:58PM THE TREE THAT IS ALONG THE ACCESS DRIVE IS LOCATED ON THIS
02:48:02PM VERY WILD PARCEL OF RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT RUN THROUGH THE ENTIRE
02:48:08PM PORT.
02:48:08PM AND I ALMOST CAN'T DESCRIBE MUCH ELSE BUT HAD TO NOTIFY THE
02:48:18PM ENTIRE PORT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PARCEL WORKED.
02:48:20PM I DON'T WANT TO YOU CONSIDER IT OFF-SITE BUT ON A DIFFERENT
02:48:25PM PARCEL WITHIN THE PORT FACILITY.
02:48:27PM THE PROBABLY TEAM TOTALLY AGREES AND UNDERSTANDS THE
02:48:35PM BENEFITS OF THE TREES AND ME PERSONALLY ON EVERY PROJECT.
02:48:38PM THIS REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY THE EXISTING LOCATION OF THESE
02:48:44PM TREES IN SUCH AN UNIQUE PLACE IN THE CITY WHERE -- I AM
02:48:47PM GOING TO SAY TIME AND SPACE ACT DIFFERENTLY THAN ALMOST ALL
02:48:50PM THE OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE YOU.
02:48:52PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. BLAIR SPEAK TO SOME OF THE
02:48:55PM OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS SINCE THEY KEEP COMING UP AND IS
02:49:00PM CHARACTERIZED IN MORE URBAN TERMS THAT I THINK THE PORT
02:49:04PM TECHNICALLY IS.
02:49:05PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU AGAIN.
02:49:07PM AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A PARKING LOT.
02:49:09PM IT IS FAR FROM A PARKING LOT.
02:49:12PM AN OPERATIONAL MARINE TERMINAL.
02:49:14PM AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT AN OPERATIONAL MARINE
02:49:19PM TERMINAL VERSUS A PARKING LOT.
02:49:21PM NO AIRPORT OR MARINE TERMINAL IN THE UNITED STATES IS AN OAK
02:49:25PM TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TERMINAL.
02:49:27PM OPERATIONAL SAFETY HAZARD AND NOT DONE THAT WAY.
02:49:30PM THE PORT IS HAPPY TO MITIGATE ON PORT FACILITIES AND THE
02:49:33PM AREA WE PULLED BACK TO MAINTAIN THE OAKS.
02:49:35PM IF THESE TWO OAKS WERE ALONG THE PERIPHERAL WE WOULD SUCK IN
02:49:39PM AS MUCH AS NEEDED FOR 300, 400 CAR SPACES.
02:49:43PM THE FACT IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
02:49:45PM NOT A REQUEST THAT I AM WORRIED OF SAVING 15 SPACES.
02:49:49PM I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE LOCATION.
02:49:51PM SHRINK IT IN WHEREVER I HAVE TO.
02:49:53PM I THINK WHAT RICKY WAS SHOWING YOU WAS THE PORT-OWNED LAND.
02:49:58PM MITIGATE WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE.
02:50:01PM IF THIS WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT, I WOULDN'T BE HERE
02:50:04PM ASKING FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
02:50:07PM THANK YOU.
02:50:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
02:50:12PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:50:13PM >> I WILL CLOSE IN THE MITIGATION CONSIDERATION.
02:50:15PM IF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED -- I HOPE YOU CAN -- WE
02:50:18PM WILL ENTERTAIN A CONDITION TO MITIGATE AT A MINIMUM OF 8
02:50:21PM INNOCENCE.
02:50:22PM AND AT A SQUARE FOOTAGE EQUAL TO THE CANOPY LOSS WHICH WOULD
02:50:27PM EXCEED STANDARD MITIGATION BY AT LEAST DOUBLE.
02:50:31PM AND THE TREE WOULD BE THREE TIMES LARGER AT INSTALLED THAN
02:50:37PM TYPICAL AND WE HAVE THE ENTIRE PORT TO PLACE TREE WHERE IS
02:50:40PM THEY WON'T BE IN THE MIDDLE OF WORKING MARITIME DOCKS.
02:50:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:50:46PM >> THANK YOU.
02:50:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
02:50:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
02:50:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
02:50:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:50:56PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:50:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:50:58PM IT IS VERY CLEAR -- AGAIN, I -- YEAH, I AM THE ONLY ONE LEFT
02:51:03PM THAT WAS ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
02:51:05PM THIS IS SO CUT AND DRY, IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY.
02:51:09PM IT IS JUST CUT AND DRY.
02:51:10PM ECONOMIC DISADVANTAGE IS NOT A REASON FOR A VARIANCE.
02:51:14PM IT IS NOT A HARDSHIP.
02:51:16PM SO I WILL SIMPLY MOVE TO AFFIRM THE VRB'S DECISION TO DENY
02:51:23PM THE VARIANCES REQUESTED IN APPLICATION VRB 24-15 AT 2410
02:51:31PM NORTH VERGER BOULEVARD AND 1597 LETHAM STREET TO FAILURE TO
02:51:38PM MEET THE BURDEN OF PROOF OF COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
02:51:43PM OF AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP AND PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN
02:51:46PM CONSIDERING THE FIVE HARDSHIP CRITERIA SET FORTH IN 27-80
02:51:51PM WITH, AND GRAND TREE REMOVAL IN 24-284.5 -- DOT 2.5 OF THE
02:52:00PM CITY CODE, SPECIFICALLY THAT IN SECTION 27-80,
02:52:07PM SUBSECTIONS A, NUMBER 2, THE HARDSHIP OF PRACTICAL
02:52:10PM DIFFICULTY DOES NOT RESULT IN THE APPLICATIONS OF THE
02:52:12PM APPLICANT.
02:52:12PM A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY SHALL NOT
02:52:16PM JUSTIFY A VARIANCE AND THIS IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A
02:52:20PM SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
02:52:21PM ADDITIONALLY, WILL GO BACK TO SECTION 27-284 OF THE CITY
02:52:27PM CODE.2.5.
02:52:34PM SORRY, A LOT OF PAPERWORK.
02:52:37PM A LOT OF RULES.
02:52:38PM NUMBER ONE, SUBSECTIONS C, THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED
02:52:48PM THERE IS NO OTHER REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION OF THE
02:52:54PM COMPONENTS.
02:52:54PM BUT CLEARLY BOTH OF THE RECONFIGURATIONS WERE REASONABLE.
02:52:58PM SO THAT IS MY -- THAT IS MY -- THAT IS MY MOTION.
02:53:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A SECOND?
02:53:04PM CLENDENIN.
02:53:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
02:53:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA WITH A SECOND.
02:53:10PM CARLSON AND CLENDENIN.
02:53:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.
02:53:14PM IF THIS FAILS, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS TO UNDO -- TO
02:53:18PM OVERTURN THE VRB'S DECISION.
02:53:20PM MY FRIENDS, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL STILL BE FRIEND IN THE
02:53:23PM AUDIENCE THAT ARE TREE ADVOCATES KNOW I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR
02:53:27PM TREES MUCH OR MORE THAN ANYONE OVER THE LAST 20 OR SO YEARS.
02:53:32PM I AM ALWAYS DEFENSIVE OF TREES; HOWEVER, THIS HAS BEEN
02:53:37PM INCORRECTLY POSITIONED AS A PARKING LOT OR COMPARED TO
02:53:42PM DEVELOPERS.
02:53:42PM THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A DEVELOPER WHO CAN CHOOSE A HOUSE
02:53:45PM THAT HAS A TREE -- A HOUSE THAT HAS A TREE OR A LOT THAT
02:53:49PM DOESN'T HAVE THE TREE.
02:53:50PM THIS IS THE PORT AUTHORITY -- MAYBE THEY DID A BAD JOB
02:53:54PM PRESENTING IT, BUT A PORT AUTHORITY THAT HAS VERY LIMITED
02:53:56PM LAND AND A HUGE STRATEGIC ASSET OF THE CITY.
02:54:00PM AND WHAT WE -- AND IN EFFECT, WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS
02:54:05PM MAKING THEM NOT COMPETITIVE.
02:54:06PM IT IS NOT ABOUT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OF LOSING 15 OR 20 SPACES.
02:54:12PM IT'S THAT HE TESTIFIED THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPETITIVE
02:54:16PM INDUSTRY, AND WE ARE COMPETING WITH LOTS OF OTHER CITIES
02:54:18PM INCLUDING SAVANNAH, JACKSON AND OTHERS THAT CAN EASILY TAKE
02:54:22PM THIS BUSINESS AWAY.
02:54:22PM THE FACT THAT THIS LAND WAS CREATED BY THE PORT.
02:54:26PM THE TREE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT OUT YEARS AGO BECAUSE
02:54:29PM SHOULDN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LAND IN A WORKING PORT IN
02:54:34PM THE FIRST PLACE.
02:54:35PM THEY CITED CASE LAW THAT TALKED OF PREFERENCE FOR PORT.
02:54:37PM NOT EVEN THE SAME AS INDUSTRIAL LAND.
02:54:39PM THIS IS VERY RARE LAND.
02:54:42PM DEVELOP VERSE ENCROACHED ON THE PORT.
02:54:44PM NO MORE LAND TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE PORT.
02:54:46PM IT IS GOING TO BE A HARDSHIP FOR OUR COMMUNITY IF THESE --
02:54:50PM IF THESE CARS ARE NOT ABLE TO COME IN BECAUSE THE PRICE ALSO
02:54:53PM GO UP.
02:54:54PM IT WILL CAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD BECAUSE TRUCKS WILL BE ON
02:54:57PM THE ROADS AND TRAINS BRINGING THEM IN FROM OTHER AREAS.
02:55:01PM ALL KINDS OF REASONS NOT TO DO THIS.
02:55:03PM TWO TREES IN THE WAY OF A STRATEGIC INDUSTRY OF OUR PORT
02:55:06PM WHICH IS THE LARGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE IN OUR REGION AND
02:55:10PM CRIPPLE OUR PORT IF WE DO THIS.
02:55:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:55:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SEE A LOT OF REACHES.
02:55:16PM IT IS DIFFICULT TO COME TO -- YOU KNOW, I AM -- I HAVE TO BE
02:55:21PM HONEST WITH YOU WITH THE PRESENTATION.
02:55:22PM I AM LIKE -- I REALLY WANTED TO START OFF WITH A -- REALLY
02:55:27PM BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THE PORT.
02:55:28PM AND I WAS TRYING TO PULL TEETH TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS TO --
02:55:31PM YOU KNOW, TO GET WHERE I FEEL LIKE YOU NEEDED TO, AND -- YOU
02:55:35PM WERE ALMOST THERE, BUT I CAN -- I CAN GET IT.
02:55:38PM I GUESS I NEED SOME LEGAL ADVICE.
02:55:40PM FROM SUSAN OR MARTY OR WHOEVER FEELS UP TO THE SUBJECT
02:55:45PM MATTER TO OFFER THIS.
02:55:46PM ON THIS ISSUE, WE ARE DEALING WITH TWO TREES.
02:55:49PM AND TWO VERY DIFFERENT CIRc*msTANCES.
02:55:51PM I CAN ACTUALLY STRETCH AND UNDERSTAND THE TREE THAT IS IN
02:55:57PM THE MIDDLE AND SOME -- MAYBE SOME -- AND HARDSHIP OF
02:56:01PM OPERATIONAL IMPACT AND THINGS AND BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS
02:56:04PM OF THE PORT PROPERTY FOR THAT TREE THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE.
02:56:06PM I AM -- IT IS ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR ME TO GET THAT --
02:56:12PM TO REACH THE SAME ON THE EDGE.
02:56:13PM CAN WE DIVIDE THIS QUESTION AND THEN WOULD THE APPLICANTS BE
02:56:18PM WILLING TO REACH THE SAME MITIGATION JUST FOR ONE TREE, IF
02:56:22PM WE -- FOR THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE?
02:56:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:56:27PM DEPARTMENT.
02:56:28PM I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION WHAT YOU CAN STREET THE TWO TREES
02:56:33PM INDEPENDENTLY, AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THE
02:56:36PM QUESTION ABOUT MITIGATION.
02:56:38PM INTERESTING THAT YOU ASK THE QUESTION, BECAUSE THE VRB DID
02:56:42PM MAKE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
02:56:43PM THE FIRST ONE FOR THE TREE -- WE WILL CALL IT THE OFF-SITE
02:56:48PM TREE.
02:56:48PM I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE -- BUT THE ONE OFF TO THE SIDE
02:56:53PM NUMBER 13.
02:56:54PM THAT WAS THE TREE -- OR REQUEST THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY DENIED.
02:57:01PM THERE WAS A SEPARATE MOTION TO A PROVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE
02:57:05PM TREE NUMBER 21 THAT IS KIND OF SORT OF IN KIND OF IN BETWEEN
02:57:10PM OR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES.
02:57:13PM THE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT VARIANCE DIED FOR LACK OF A
02:57:17PM SECOND AT THE VRB.
02:57:19PM SO ANOTHER MOTION WAS MADE TO DENY THAT REQUEST FOR A
02:57:23PM VARIANCE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT TREE.
02:57:25PM AND THAT IS THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED 3-2.
02:57:30PM SO IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSES YOU WOULD LIKE TO TREAT THE TREES
02:57:34PM INDEPENDENTLY OR IN TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, YOU ARE CERTAINLY
02:57:38PM WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION TO DO THAT.
02:57:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, SO THAT -- THE SECOND PART OF THAT
02:57:42PM QUESTION AND I BELIEVE I SAW AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
02:57:45PM >> I APOLOGIZE, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:57:50PM >> WE WOULD AGREE.
02:57:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND SECOND.
02:57:56PM THE HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
02:57:59PM >> RICKY PETERIKA.
02:58:02PM SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:58:05PM WE WILL AGREE FOR THE MITIGATION CONDITION FOR ONE OR BOTH
02:58:11PM TREES.
02:58:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR VARIOUS GENEROUS MITIGATION.
02:58:14PM >> WITH WHICH IS IMPOSED IN THE ATTEMPT -- THAT THE TREE
02:58:18PM CODE IS DESIGNED TO REPLACE THE CANOPY IN FIVE YEARS.
02:58:23PM I AM TRYING TO OFFER THAT WE WILL REPLACE THE CANOPY
02:58:26PM INSTANTLY.
02:58:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I PROPOSE THAT WE DIVIDE THIS QUESTION AND
02:58:29PM DEAL WITH THE TREES INDEPENDENTLY.
02:58:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR.
02:58:32PM WHAT IS THE MOTION MAKER SAY?
02:58:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOPE.
02:58:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MOTION MAKER SAYS NOPE.
02:58:39PM WE HAVE A MOTION -- LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC CLEARING.
02:58:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:58:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
02:58:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE AN EXISTING MOTION BY
02:58:49PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:58:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO SAY BECAUSE WHILE IT IS
02:58:53PM GENEROUS, YOU CAN'T -- IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU CAN
02:58:56PM REPLACE THE CANOPY -- YOU CAN NOT REPLACE THAT LIVE OAK.
02:58:59PM YOU CAN'T -- YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN'T REPLACE THAT LIVE OAK.
02:59:03PM IT TAKES SO MUCH THAT -- YEAH, YOU CAN REPLACE IT WITH
02:59:06PM SMALLER TREES, BUT YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO REPLACE WHAT THAT
02:59:09PM LIVE OAK CAN DO.
02:59:10PM AND SO I -- I JUST -- I CAN'T.
02:59:12PM -- YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT A PARKING LOT.
02:59:16PM IT IS A PORT FACILITY, BUT THERE IS NO WAY WITH THIS OPEN
02:59:20PM AREA THAT THE PORT FACILITY CAN'T HANDLE THIS.
02:59:22PM THIS WILL NOT STOP CARS FROM COMING TO THE PORT.
02:59:25PM IT JUST WON'T.
02:59:26PM SO IT'S -- NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO -- AND EVEN IF IT DID,
02:59:32PM ECONOMIC IMPACT IS NOT A CONSIDERATION.
02:59:35PM IT JUST ISN'T.
02:59:36PM IN FACT, THEY CAN SUE AND WIN IF THEY TAMPA NOT A ALLOWABLE
02:59:48PM CONSIDERATION WHEN LOOKING AT IT.
02:59:49PM IT IS CLEAR.
02:59:50PM CASE LAW WAS SHOWN TODAY.
02:59:53PM WE GOT CLARIFICATION FROM OUR LEGAL, THAT ECONOMICS HAS
02:59:58PM NOTHING DO WITH IT.
02:59:59PM NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VARIANCE.
03:00:02PM THE VARIANCE GOES WITH THE LAND.
03:00:04PM THE VOTE GOES WITH MY MOTION.
03:00:07PM IF YOU WANT TO VOTE TO TEAR OUT TREES, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT
03:00:11PM AND THAT WILL NOT BE ME.
03:00:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:00:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT THEY
03:00:18PM GOT CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME ON THAT ONE TREE.
03:00:20PM I GUESS IT IS BECAUSE UNDERSTANDING -- NOT THE ECONOMIC
03:00:26PM IMPACT OF LOSING THE SPOTS.
03:00:27PM BUT THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT OF LOSING THOSE SPOTS TO PORT.
03:00:31PM HARDSHIP TO THE OPERATION --
03:00:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS ALSO NOT AN ALLOWABLE HARDSHIP.
03:00:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE GOT -- SO MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:00:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:00:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TOO MANY NAMES.
03:00:48PM IS OPERATIONAL IMPACT ON THE -- IS OPERATIONAL IMPACT AND
03:00:54PM USABILITY OF THE PROPERTY, DOES THAT -- WOULD THAT BE
03:00:57PM CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP?
03:01:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
03:01:03PM DEPARTMENT.
03:01:04PM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY SPECIFIC CASE LAW THAT TALKS
03:01:08PM ABOUT OPERATIONAL FACTORS IN THIS TYPE OF OPERATION.
03:01:10PM THOSE WERE ALL QUANTIFIED IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC IMPACT.
03:01:14PM AND I AM CERTAIN THAT THE CASE LAW DOES SUPPORT THE NOTION
03:01:18PM THAT ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS, IF YOU WILL, ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO
03:01:21PM JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.
03:01:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ECONOMIC -- I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT IS
03:01:28PM DIFFERENT.
03:01:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ITS EIGHT NOT.
03:01:29PM LIKE WHAT DO YOU GET FROM OPERATIONAL?
03:01:33PM YOU GET ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
03:01:34PM THAT IS THE WHOLE.
03:01:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE APPROVED
03:01:39PM THESE TYPE OF THINGS FROM HE CANNILY BASED ON THE USABILITY
03:01:42PM OF THE PROPERTY AND THE HARDSHIP -- THEY ARE LOOKING -- IF
03:01:46PM THEY ARE LACKING USABILITY OF THAT PROPERTY.
03:01:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I COULD SEE THAT IF WE ARE TALKING
03:01:52PM ABOUT A PROPERTY THE SIZE OF OUR PARKING LOT, BUT WE ARE
03:01:56PM NOT.
03:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CONCUR, BUT ONE SIDE IS OUT OF QUESTION.
03:01:59PM IT IS NO NONSTARTER, BUT I THINK --
03:02:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE WITH UP IN THE MIDDLE IN THE SAME.
03:02:04PM LITERALLY NONSTARTER.
03:02:06PM YOU PUT A BOX AROUND IT.
03:02:08PM AND YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
03:02:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:02:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:02:13PM I AM LOOKING AT THE REVIEW AND THREE MOTIONS MADE BY THAT
03:02:17PM BOARD.
03:02:17PM MOTION TO DENY REMOVAL OF TREE 13 PASSED 5-0.
03:02:21PM MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF TREE 21 FAILED FOR LACK OF
03:02:26PM A SECOND.
03:02:26PM THEN THE THIRD MOTION WAS, MOTION TO COMPLETE DENIAL OF TWO
03:02:30PM GRAND TREE REMOVALS PASSED 3-2.
03:02:35PM COMMISSION HAD TO KNOW THERE WERE TWO VOTES AND DEALING WITH
03:02:39PM THE SAME THING THAT WAS DEALT BEFORE.
03:02:40PM SO WE CAN'T -- IT FAILED OVER THERE 3-2 BECAUSE -- I MEAN,
03:02:46PM IF I WAS THE PETITIONER, I WOULD HAVE A PETITION TO REMOVE
03:02:49PM ONE TREE.
03:02:50PM BECAUSE ALREADY, THIS BOARD, TOO, SAID THEY WOULD VOTE IN
03:02:55PM SOME SENSE.
03:02:56PM BUT YOU CAME UP WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO TREES.
03:02:58PM AND ONE TRY, I UNDERSTAND IT IS IN THE LEVERAGE OF
03:03:03PM RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT COULD BE -- THIS PROPERTY OR THE OTHER
03:03:06PM PROPERTY.
03:03:06PM I AM NOT SEGUIN TESTING ANYTHING THAT I HEARD FOR GRANTED
03:03:09PM AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE DONE.
03:03:11PM BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I DID.
03:03:13PM YOU GUY DID IT AND NOT US.
03:03:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:03:20PM A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:03:22PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:03:24PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:03:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
03:03:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:03:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:03:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
03:03:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
03:03:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:03:44PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTE NOTHING AND
03:03:49PM HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
03:03:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:03:52PM NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 53.
03:03:54PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, MY NAME IS
03:04:09PM DANA CROSBY COLLIER, I AM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND BOARD
03:04:15PM COUNSEL FOR THE PARRY YO LA TINE KNOW COMMISSION.
03:04:18PM YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 53, FILE
03:04:24PM NUMBER BLC-22-185 PROPERTY IS 1715 EAST 4th AVENUE, 1411
03:04:35PM NORTH 17th STREET AND 1707 EAST 4th AVENUE IN YBOR.
03:04:39PM OWNERS AND THE AGENTS ARE JIM SHIMBERG AND STEPHANIE GAINES.
03:04:44PM THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE IS AN AGGRIEVED PERSON,
03:04:49PM NICK CAPITANO, INC. REPRESENTED BY AGENT MARK BENTLEY WHO
03:04:54PM SPOKE AT THE MARCH 26, 2024 BLC PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS
03:04:58PM MATTER.
03:04:58PM FILE NUMBER BLC-22-185 IS A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF
03:05:07PM APPROPRIATENESS FOR A FOUR-LEVEL APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH OVER
03:05:11PM A ONE-LEVEL PARKING -- PARKING WITH SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
03:05:15PM FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 26, THE BLC
03:05:19PM UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH
03:05:23PM CONDITIONS.
03:05:23PM THIS MATTER WAS SET FOR CITY COUNCIL VERY VIEW ON JUNE 20;
03:05:28PM HOWEVER, THE AGGRIEVED PERSON/PETITIONER DID NOT NOTICE THE
03:05:32PM MATTER.
03:05:32PM SO THE MATTER IS NOW PROPERLY NOTICED AND BEFORE YOU TODAY.
03:05:36PM AT THE BLC AND IN ITS PETITION FOR REVIEW TODAY, THE
03:05:40PM PETITIONER PRIMARILY EXPRESSIONS ISSUES WITH AN OFF-SITE
03:05:43PM PARKING AGREEMENT THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY
03:05:47PM STAFF JANUARY 19, 2024.
03:05:49PM THIS WAS THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO THE BLC HEARING.
03:05:53PM THE OFF-SITE PARKING AGREEMENT IS A DE-1, ALLOWED UNDER YOUR
03:05:58PM CODE AND IT IS PERMITTED TO BE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE
03:06:02PM PURVIEW OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND NOT THE BLC.
03:06:06PM IT WAS NOT BEFORE THE BLC WHEN THIS PETITION WAS BROUGHT
03:06:10PM FORWARD AS -- FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND NOT
03:06:15PM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW TODAY.
03:06:16PM I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH PACKETS CONTAINING PROCEDURES FOR
03:06:19PM THIS HEARING, WHERE THE PETITIONER IS SOMEONE OTHER THAN A
03:06:23PM PROPERTY OWNER.
03:06:24PM SAMPLE MOTIONS TO ASSIST YOU AT THE END OF THE HEARING, AND
03:06:28PM THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF CODE FOR THIS REVIEW.
03:06:31PM WE LOOKED AT 27-61, THE PROCESS FOR BOARD REVIEW.
03:06:34PM AND WE ALSO ARE LOOKING IN THIS MATTER AT 27-98, WHICH IS
03:06:41PM THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS GRANTED BY YOUR BLC.
03:06:45PM I SPECIFICALLY CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION SUBSECTIONS 27-98-N
03:06:51PM WHICH STATES THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND NOT THE BLC
03:06:55PM IS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR RELATING TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
03:06:58PM CITY COUNCIL WILL APPLY, AGAIN, THE DE NOVO STANDARD OF
03:07:02PM REVIEW.
03:07:03PM THIS MEANS YOU ARE NOT LIMITED IN YOUR REVIEW TO
03:07:05PM INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE BLC'S
03:07:09PM DECISION WAS BASED.
03:07:10PM THE COUNCIL WILL FOLLOW ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCES AND MAY
03:07:16PM RECEIVE NEW EVIDENCE AT THIS HEARING.
03:07:18PM IN A MOMENT MR. RON VILA OF THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION
03:07:23PM STAFF WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND
03:07:26PM THE BLC DECISION.
03:07:26PM CITY STAFF IS ALSO AVAILABLE -- ZONING STAFF IS AVAILABLE
03:07:30PM ONLINE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:07:32PM AT THE END OF THE HEARING, YOU AI FIRM THE DECISION OF
03:07:36PM THE BLC AND AFFIRM APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF
03:07:40PM APPROPRIATENESS OF THE FOUR-LEVEL COMPLEX OVER ONE-LEVEL
03:07:45PM PARKING, OVERTURN THE DECISION OF BLC DENYING THAT
03:07:49PM CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO
03:07:53PM THE BLC FOR FURTHER DIRECTION CONSISTENT WITH YOUR
03:07:56PM DIRECTION.
03:07:56PM CITY COUNCIL MAY IMPOSE CAN BE ON THE APPROVAL WITH THE
03:08:00PM CONCURRENCE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
03:08:01PM I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FOR WHAT INFORMATION
03:08:05PM PROVIDED YOU.
03:08:05PM AND IF YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR.
03:08:09PM RON VILA.
03:08:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
03:08:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ANY
03:08:16PM EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
03:08:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY MR. VIERA.
03:08:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:08:23PM MR. VILA.
03:08:25PM >>RON VILA: RON VILA, STAFF FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND I
03:08:31PM HAVE BEEN SWORN.
03:08:32PM THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU THIS
03:08:39PM AFTERNOON WHICH IS BLC-22-000-185 FOR THE ADDRESS 1707 EAST
03:08:47PM 4th AVENUE.
03:08:48PM IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
03:08:51PM ATTACHED TO THIS PARCEL OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF YC-6.
03:08:58PM HEIGHT IN THE ZONING APPLICATION COULD GO UP TO 60 FEET.
03:09:01PM THE REQUEST ACCOMPANIED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 66,000 SQUARE
03:09:05PM FEET.
03:09:05PM IT IS ONE LEVEL OF PARKING WITH FOUR LEVELS OF LIVING ABOVE.
03:09:10PM THERE WERE NO VARIANCES ATTACHED TO THEIR REQUEST WHEN THEY
03:09:14PM CAME FORWARD.
03:09:15PM JUST TO GET YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
03:09:22PM THE RED INDICATES THE YBOR CITY LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
03:09:27PM PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS INDICATED BY THE ARROW.
03:09:29PM IT DOES FACE FOURTH AVENUE.
03:09:32PM AS THE NORTH FACADE.
03:09:34PM TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE 17th AVENUE.
03:09:37PM TO THE 8TH OFF ANGEL AVILA STREET.
03:09:42PM AND AN OPERATIONAL ALLEY TO THE REAR.
03:09:44PM THIS IS A CURRENT OVERHEAD.
03:09:48PM OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED WITH A
03:09:55PM GREEN PARCEL.
03:09:56PM AS I STATED, THERE IS AN ALLEY THAT WILL BE OPERATIONAL IF
03:10:00PM THIS PROJECT COMES FORWARD AND SAY PROVED.
03:10:02PM THIS IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL.
03:10:05PM YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY OF THE ROOF THAT COVERS THE PARCELS
03:10:10PM OF THE -- OF THE ABUTTING OR THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
03:10:14PM JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE STREET FACADES.
03:10:18PM THIS IS PART OF THE PARCEL THAT IS GOING TO BE -- GOING TO
03:10:22PM BE BUILT UPON.
03:10:23PM THIS IS A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
03:10:25PM THIS WILL BE REMOVED.
03:10:26PM THIS WAS FORMED AS WE WORK FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST GOING
03:10:32PM DOWN 4th AVENUE.
03:10:34PM WE ARE CONTINUING TO THE WEST.
03:10:36PM THERE IS AN EMPTY PARCEL.
03:10:37PM THIS WAS A STRUCTURE THAT WAS RELOCATED.
03:10:41PM THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
03:10:45PM TERMINATING AT THE CORNER OF 17th STREET AND FOURTH AVENUE,
03:10:53PM THIS IS ON THE EASTERN BORDER.
03:10:56PM AND THEN JUMPING THE STREET, THIS IS FOURTH AVENUE HERE,
03:11:03PM 17th STREET TO THE EAST.
03:11:04PM AND THAT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED
03:11:10PM BY THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
03:11:12PM FOURTH AVENUE TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE A SERIES OF COTTAGES.
03:11:17PM I SPOKE ABOUT THE ALLEY THAT IS BEHIND THE SUBJECT SITE.
03:11:22PM IT IS CURRENTLY OPEN, UNIMPROVED.
03:11:24PM GOING TO THE SITE PLAN, THE ALLEY IN THE REAR WILL BE A
03:11:35PM ONE-WAY ALLEY FROM 17th STREET TO ANGEL AVILA SENIOR STREET.
03:11:42PM THIS FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
03:11:46PM YOU SEE HOW IT UNDULATES AND COMES BACK AND LONG THE STREET
03:11:53PM FACADE, IT HAS AN ELEVATION THAT COMES UP.
03:11:58PM THEN COMES IN AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND CONTINUES OPINION A
03:12:03PM SMALLER SECTION ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
03:12:09PM I WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME ELEVATIONS.
03:12:11PM THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH FACES 4th AVENUE.
03:12:17PM THIS IS JUST A CLOSE-UP OF THE AREA.
03:12:21PM OF THE ENTRANCE.
03:12:22PM THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS.
03:12:27PM THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS ALONG THE ALLEY.
03:12:32PM YOU SEE THE VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE MAIN FLOOR.
03:12:36PM AND THEN THE FOUR LEVELS ABOVE.
03:12:38PM AND THEN THE TWO BOOK ENDS, YOU HAVE THE EAST ELEVATION AND
03:12:41PM THE WEST ELEVATION.
03:12:42PM AND TO CONCLUDE, THIS RENDERING TO PUT EVERYTHING IN
03:12:50PM PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU.
03:12:51PM B LC 22-0000185 FOR THE ADDRESS 1707 EAST 4th AVENUE MADE
03:13:05PM APPLICATION TO THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION ON JUNE --
03:13:10PM EXCUSE ME, JULY 6, 2022.
03:13:12PM AND THEN THE FINAL APPROVAL WAS MARCH 26, 2024.
03:13:16PM FINAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
03:13:18PM STAFF WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS THROUGHOUT
03:13:25PM THE WHOLE PROJECT.
03:13:25PM YOU SAW IT TOOK CLOSE TO TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE.
03:13:29PM STAFF'S REPORT THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH YBOR CITY DESIGN
03:13:35PM GUIDELINES, THE PLANS WE REVIEWED ON MARCH 6, 2024.
03:13:39PM AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS REVIEWED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:13:44PM THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 26, 2024, THE MOTION IS AS
03:13:53PM FOLLOWS: THE APPLICANT DID ADDRESS ALL OF STAFF'S CONCERNS
03:13:57PM AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:13:59PM THE MOTION TO GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE
03:14:05PM DRAWINGS AND DOCUMENTS PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING
03:14:09PM IN BLC 22-185 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1715 EAST 4th
03:14:14PM AVENUE.
03:14:15PM AND THERE WAS MULTIPLE ADDRESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
03:14:19PM PROJECT.
03:14:19PM AND ALSO, IT TALKS ABOUT 1707 EAST 4th AVENUE FOR THE
03:14:23PM FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
03:14:24PM SO AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF IT IS APPROVED TODAY,
03:14:28PM THESE FOUR BULLET ITEMS WILL HAVE TO BE REFLECTED ON THE
03:14:31PM DRAWINGS WE REVIEW, FINALLY SIGN OFF ON THEM.
03:14:34PM AND FORWARD THEM TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
03:14:36PM WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THE ENCROACHMENT PROCESS.
03:14:40PM THERE IS SOME ENCROACHMENTS ON THE FACADE THAT COME INTO THE
03:14:44PM CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY.
03:14:45PM TO LOOK TO EXPLORE A BRICK MATERIAL AT THE ENTRANCE, TO
03:14:50PM STRENGTHEN THAT CENTER CORE, TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH THE
03:14:54PM ENTRANCE TO THE USE OF LANDSCAPING AS WELL, AND TO WORK WITH
03:14:57PM STAFF ON THE FINAL SELECTION FOR LIGHTING, HARDWARE, SIGNAGE
03:15:01PM AND ACCESSORIES.
03:15:01PM THAT'S THE MOTION THAT CAME FORWARD, BECAUSE BASED UPON THE
03:15:05PM FINDING OF FACTS, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH
03:15:08PM THE DESIGN GUIDELINES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE FOLLOWING
03:15:13PM REASONS, THAT IS MEETS THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOR NEW
03:15:16PM CONSTRUCTION BASED ON THE HEIGHT, THE WIDTH, FACADE WIDTH
03:15:20PM AND SETBACKS WITH THE SIMILARITIES AND DETAILS AND FORMS OF
03:15:24PM BUILDING MATERIALS AND THAT MOTION CAME FORWARD FOR A 4-0
03:15:32PM VOTE.
03:15:33PM IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
03:15:34PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
03:15:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:15:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
03:15:39PM I JUST -- WHAT ARE THOSE BLUE THINGS ALONG 4th AVENUE?
03:15:52PM ARE THOSE APARTMENTS OR ARE THOSE OFFICES?
03:15:54PM WHAT -- WHAT IS THAT?
03:15:59PM >>RON VILA: STATES ON THE PLAN AND THE UPPER PORTION THESE
03:16:03PM ARE MICRO UNITS.
03:16:04PM THEY ARE SMALL UNITS BUT TRANSITIONAL.
03:16:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
03:16:08PM MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS LIKE BASS -- WAS APPROVED.
03:16:18PM WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR?
03:16:21PM I WANTED TO KNOW WHY ARE WE HERE?
03:16:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WANTED TO KNOW THE SAME THING.
03:16:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: DANA CROSBY COLLIER WITH THE CITY
03:16:27PM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
03:16:27PM THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE IS REPRESENTED BY MR. BENTLEY
03:16:31PM AND HE WILL BE SPEAKING IN A MOMENT.
03:16:32PM THEY ARE -- THEY ARE AFFECTED PERSONS.
03:16:35PM THE PROPERTY OWNER RESIDES WITHIN 300 FEET OF THIS PROPERTY.
03:16:40PM AND THEY AND AT THE HEARING TO OBJECT TO THE PROJECT.
03:16:44PM SO THE AGGRIEVED PERSON IS NOT THE OWNER.
03:16:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
03:16:48PM THANK YOU.
03:16:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
03:16:51PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. VILA.
03:16:54PM NOW THE PRESENTATION BY MR. BENTLEY.
03:16:58PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:17:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
03:17:02PM >> MARK BENTLEY, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, TAMPA, 33602.
03:17:07PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
03:17:09PM I REPRESENT VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE IMMEDIATE
03:17:12PM VICINITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDING THE CHILLURA
03:17:17PM AND CAPITANO INTEREST AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
03:17:20PM HERE IS A MAP SHOWING THE SCOPE OF OUR PRESENTATION IN
03:17:23PM YELLOW.
03:17:24PM THESE PROPERTY OWNERS BELIEVE THAT AS A RESULT OF APPROVAL
03:17:30PM BY THE BLC, THEY WILL BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THE MASSIVE
03:17:34PM SIZE, SCALE AND MASSING AND LACK OF PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH
03:17:39PM THE SUBJECT PROJECT.
03:17:41PM TO CRYSTALLIZE THE ISSUE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TODAY, THE --
03:17:49PM THE DISPUTE IS CONCERNING THE BLC'S DECISION AND OUR
03:17:54PM CLIENT'S BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE FAILED TO PROPERLY APPROVED
03:18:01PM THE CRITERIA IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
03:18:03PM THIS THE CRITERIA INCLUDED PER CODE -- AND I WILL TAKE ISSUE
03:18:07PM WITH WHAT MISS CROSBY SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT PARKING IS NOT
03:18:11PM AN ISSUE BEFORE THE BARRIO LATINO.
03:18:15PM BUT THE CODE SAID MUST CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF THE COMP
03:18:18PM PLAN, CHAPTER 27, INCLUDING PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE
03:18:21PM CRITERIA SHE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THAT ARE APPLIED
03:18:26PM TO A C.A.
03:18:27PM AND WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY THE CRITERIA FOR C.A. IS NOT
03:18:32PM GENERALLY COMPATIBILITY.
03:18:34PM SLIDE 3, RYAN.
03:18:39PM THE BLC IS CHARGED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING
03:18:46PM COMPATIBILITY AND THE PRIMARY DISTRICT IS ONE-STORY HISTORIC
03:18:51PM FAMILY HOMES.
03:18:52PM I NOTICED THE PHOTOS, RON SHOWED ONE SHOT OF A BUNGALOW.
03:18:59PM BUT THAT IS PRIMARILY THE MAJORITY USE IN THE VICINITY OF
03:19:02PM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
03:19:03PM THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY DESIGN WILL HAVE A DEVASTATING
03:19:07PM IMPACT AND FOREVER ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA AND
03:19:13PM EXACERBATE AN EXISTING SITUATION.
03:19:15PM SLIDE 4.
03:19:16PM THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT
03:19:20PM SUGGESTS THAT LARGER HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS OF TRADITIONALLY
03:19:22PM SMALLER HOMES IN HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD NOT AFFECT THE
03:19:26PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHARACTER OF THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT
03:19:29PM STRUCTURES.
03:19:30PM THE PLAN ALSO TALKS ABOUT PARKING IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY
03:19:40PM THAT YOU NEED TO EVALUATE PARKING AS WELL.
03:19:43PM JUST IN PASSING, COUNCIL, AND TO THE BENEFIT OF YOUR LEGAL
03:19:51PM COUNSEL, MR. SHELBY, THAT WE NOTICE THAT THE BLC NEEDS TO
03:19:57PM MAKE FINDINGS OF FACTS IN THEIR WRITTEN ORDER.
03:20:00PM IF YOU EXAMINE THEIR DECISION WHICH IS PROBABLY IN THE
03:20:03PM BACK-UP, IT FAILS TO INCLUDE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION IS
03:20:07PM THEREFORE AND ENOUGH FOR THE COUNCIL JECT THE BLC'S
03:20:17PM DECISION.
03:20:17PM SLIDE FIVE, THE PROJECT, IS CC-35.
03:20:23PM LAND USE CATEGORY.
03:20:24PM THAT I A LOWS AS OF RIGHT EITHER A F.A.R. OF 2.0 OR 30 UNITS
03:20:31PM PER ACRE.
03:20:31PM PROJECT .4 ACRE IN SIZE AND APPLY 30 UNITS PER ACRE ALLOW
03:20:37PM FOR ROUGHLY 25 UNITS; HOWEVER, 93 UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY.
03:20:41PM HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
03:20:46PM SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT ONLY
03:20:53PM ALLOWS A USE OF F.A.R. IF IT IS DETERMINED -- THAT IS ON THE
03:20:57PM SLIDE HERE -- TO BE COMPATIBILITY AND I WILL QUOTE FROM THE
03:21:00PM COMP PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT.
03:21:01PM IF F.A.R. A APPLIED TO A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT TO DETERMINE A
03:21:06PM SITE'S MAXIMUM DENSITY POTENTIAL, DEVELOPMENT WILL BE
03:21:09PM COMPATIBILITY IN SIZE AND SCALE TO THE SURROUNDING
03:21:12PM RESIDENTIAL BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
03:21:14PM WHAT THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T SIMPLY -- YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT
03:21:16PM ENTITLED TO USE THE MAXIMUM F.A.R. NEEDS TO BE AN ANALYSIS
03:21:21PM IN TERMS OF THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE SURROUNDING
03:21:24PM NEIGHBORHOOD ENVIRONMENT BASED ON MASSING AND SCALE.
03:21:26PM THINGS LIKE THAT.
03:21:29PM IF COUNCIL REVIEWED THE RECORD NO ONE MADE THE DECISION THAT
03:21:33PM 93 UNITS INSTEAD OF 25 WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE OF THE
03:21:38PM BUILT-OUT ENVIRONMENT.
03:21:40PM THAT WAS NOT DONE.
03:21:41PM THE SITUATION IS EXACTLY WHY CITY COUNCIL WITH INPUT FROM
03:21:45PM ITS PROFESSIONAL ZONING STAFF AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD MAKE
03:21:48PM THESE ZONING DECISIONS AS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THE BLC IS
03:21:53PM NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THAT.
03:21:54PM IN OTHER WORDS, COUNCIL TAKES A HOLISTIC LOOK AT A PROJECT
03:21:57PM AND NOT JUST A FEW COMPONENTS.
03:22:01PM SLIDE SIX.
03:22:03PM SO HERE IS THIS LARGE -- WE CALL IT RECTANGULAR BOX THAT IS
03:22:08PM BEING DROPPED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:22:10PM YOU CAN SEE 265 LINEAR FEET LONG ON 4th.
03:22:15PM 60 FEET DEEP.
03:22:16PM AND 60 FEET IN HEIGHT.
03:22:20PM IT IS CALLED "THE FINAL SOLUTION."
03:22:24PM THIS IS A SITUATION THAT COUNCIL OFTEN HEARS A SUGGESTION
03:22:28PM THAT A DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO PUT TEN POUNDS OF SUGAR IN A
03:22:31PM FIVE POUNDS OF BAG.
03:22:32PM THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
03:22:34PM LET'S GO TO SEVEN.
03:22:35PM HERE IS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:22:39PM THESE HISTORIC HOMES.
03:22:41PM THIS IS DIRECTLY NORTH.
03:22:43PM NEXT SLIDE.
03:22:46PM THIS IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
03:22:49PM WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE -- AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN A
03:22:55PM SECOND -- ALL THE PARKING ON 4th IN FRONT OF THESE -- SINCE
03:22:58PM THESE HOMES CAN'T PROVIDE PARKING ON-SITE, THEY HAVE PERMITS
03:23:02PM TO PARK ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
03:23:04PM THAT IS IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE WHEN WE START TALKING OF THE
03:23:06PM PARKING DEFICIENCY WITH RESPECTS TO THE PROJECT, HOW IT WILL
03:23:10PM IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
03:23:11PM AND SLIDE 9.
03:23:13PM THIS IS A SUBJECT SITE TO BE DEVELOPED THAT HAS AN EXISTING
03:23:16PM BUNGALOW.
03:23:17PM WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF THE PLAN IS
03:23:20PM NOT SHOW A WHOLE LOT OF RESPECT TO THIS STRUCTURE EITHER IS
03:23:24PM TO PUT A 60-FOOT WALL RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE SIDE OF THIS
03:23:30PM BUILDING.
03:23:30PM SO WE TALK OF 27-98.
03:23:35PM HERE AGAIN, THE MAIN CHARGE OF THE BLC IN THE FIRST
03:23:39PM PARAGRAPH SAYS SHALL CONSIDER THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE NEW
03:23:42PM CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE YBOR CITY
03:23:46PM DISTRICT.
03:23:47PM EXISTING CHARACTER.
03:23:49PM OKAY.
03:23:49PM I SHOWED YOU WHAT THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE
03:23:52PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:23:52PM AND IT SAYS, WHEN YOU ARE DOING THAT, CONSIDER SCALE,
03:23:56PM HEIGHT, WIDTH, MASSING, BUILDING FORM, ETC., ETC.
03:23:59PM SO JUST BASED ON COMPATIBILITY AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ALONE,
03:24:04PM THE BLC NEVER QUESTIONED 25 UNITS -- AND THE BLC 25 VERSUS
03:24:13PM 39 UNITS AND DID NOT HEAR ANY TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE TO
03:24:15PM SUPPORT 93 UNITS.
03:24:17PM THE PROJECT IS CLEARLY NOT COMPATIBLE.
03:24:20PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT.
03:24:24PM WHAT I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU.
03:24:26PM A TYPICAL SIGN IN FRONT OF THESE UNITS ON 4th AVENUE.
03:24:30PM IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL PERMIT REQUIRED.
03:24:31PM NEXT SLIDE.
03:24:32PM I WANT TO TALK OF THE PARKING DEFICIENCY.
03:24:40PM WE ARE NOT HERE TO CHALLENGE THE VALIDITY OF THE DE-1 ISSUED
03:24:45PM BY THE CITY EVEN THOUGH THE INFORMATION PROVIDE BY THE
03:24:47PM APPLICANT WAS INACCURATE AND INDUCED THE CITY KIND OF ON
03:24:53PM FALSE PRETENSES OF THE PERMIT.
03:24:54PM AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
03:24:56PM SO THE APPLICANT PURPORTED TO HAVE A LEASE AT THE SUBJECT
03:25:01PM PROPERTY.
03:25:06PM AND ALL -- UNDER 12 HERE, BLC IS SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER
03:25:17PM PARKING UNDER CHAPTER 27 AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF
03:25:21PM THE PRESENTATION.
03:25:22PM SO IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE HE HAS A MAX OUT
03:25:29PM THE F.A.R. WITH NOT FULFILL PARKING ON-SITE.
03:25:34PM THE DEVELOPER ENTERED INTO A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT AS
03:25:37PM REQUIRED BY THE CITY CODE.
03:25:38PM BUT SINCE IT HAS A 90-DAY TERMINATION PROVISION, IT IS
03:25:43PM ACTUALLY A REVOCABLE LICENSE UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
03:25:46PM IF YOU CAN TERMINATE UNILATERALLY A LEASE THAT IS SUPPOSED
03:25:50PM TO BE SEVEN YEARS AFTER 90 DAYS, IT IS NOT A LEASE.
03:25:54PM YOU CAN CALL IT A LEASE.
03:25:56PM YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT.
03:25:57PM THEY NEVER GOT A LEASE.
03:25:58PM SINCE IT IS A 90-DAY TERM NATION PROVISION, NOT A LONG-TERM
03:26:03PM LEASE AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.
03:26:04PM ALSO THE SECOND REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY, THAT PARKING HAS TO
03:26:08PM BE WITHIN 1,000 LINEAR FEET WHICH IT IS NOT.
03:26:11PM I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON THAT TOO MUCH.
03:26:12PM IMPORTANTLY, THE OWNER OF THE PARKING AREA THAT IS THE --
03:26:16PM THE LESSOR OR THE SUBJECT PURPORTED LEASE HAS ALREADY
03:26:21PM PROVIDE AN ANTICIPATORY OF THE LEASE.
03:26:31PM THE MIND'S EYE.
03:26:34PM ADDRESSED TO MR. ANDY SCAGLIONE.
03:26:36PM IT SAYS THE PARKING AGREEMENT SIGNED WITH LION'S IS ONLY
03:26:40PM TEMPORARY AND NOT LONG-TERM.
03:26:43PM AGREEMENT HAS A 90-DAY EXIT CLAUSE AS WE PLAN TO BUILD ON
03:26:47PM THE PROPERTY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO MAKING IT UNAVAILABLE
03:26:52PM FOR PARKING.
03:26:53PM 93-UNIT PROJECT WITH A THIRD OF THE PARKING A QUARTER MILE
03:26:56PM AWAY.
03:26:56PM NOW THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PARK AND MEET REQUIRED
03:26:59PM CODES.
03:26:59PM NOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE CARS THAT WERE INTENDED TO PARK IN
03:27:03PM THIS OFF-SITE PARKING LOT?
03:27:10PM THE PROJECT HAS 3,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL TOO THAT
03:27:13PM REQUIRES PARKING.
03:27:14PM UNDER FLORIDA LAW, I THINK THIS IS BLACK LETTER LAW, MR.
03:27:18PM SHELBY, YOU MIGHT HOPEFULLY AGREE WITH ME FOR ONCE IS A
03:27:22PM PERMIT ISSUED IN VIOLATION OF LAW OR MISTAKE A FACT SOMEBODY
03:27:26PM VOID.
03:27:26PM IF YOU FILE AN APPLICATION WITH THE CITY AND MISREPRESENT
03:27:31PM THE FACT TO INDUCE THE CITY TO THE PERMIT, THAT IS A VOID OF
03:27:37PM A PERMIT.
03:27:38PM THE CITY RELIED UPON INACCURATE INFORMATION AND ERRONEOUSLY
03:27:43PM ISSUED A PARKING PERMIT.
03:27:45PM THE PURPORTED LANDLORD SAID THE PARTIES OVER.
03:27:50PM YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PARK.
03:27:51PM SO THEY DO NOT HAVE PARKING, AND THE BLC DID NOT PROPERLY
03:27:59PM REQUIRE PARKING AS IT IS REQUIRED TO DO SO UNDER THE REVIEW
03:28:04PM CRITERIA.
03:28:04PM WE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUES DURING THE BLC.
03:28:08PM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BLC TRIED TO SHUT US DOWN.
03:28:12PM THEY HAVE A DE-1 SO YOU CAN'T TALK OF PARKING.
03:28:17PM BUT ON THE CON TARRY, THE CODE SAYS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER
03:28:21PM PARKING AND WE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THESE DEFECTS.
03:28:24PM WE ARE NOT HERE TO APPEAL THE DE-1.
03:28:27PM THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, COUNCIL, THAT IS NOT EVEN
03:28:32PM PUBLISHED AND TEN DAYS TO FILE THE APPEAL AND PEOPLE DON'T
03:28:35PM KNOW ABOUT THAT.
03:28:36PM THE POINT IS, FLOSS LEASE -- THERE IS NO LEASE WITH THIS
03:28:42PM PROPERTY.
03:28:42PM IN CONCLUSION, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT BUT SEEKING
03:28:47PM A COMPATIBLE PROJECT OF CHARACTER IN TERMS OF MASSING AND
03:28:51PM SCALE IN THE SURROUNDING A AREA THAT ALSO HAS SUFFICIENT
03:28:54PM PARKING.
03:28:55PM WE WANT TO OFFER UP A COUPLE OF SOLUTIONS.
03:28:57PM WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PROJECT KILLED OFF, IT IS JUST TOO
03:29:01PM BIG OF A PROJECT.
03:29:01PM 93 UNITS.
03:29:02PM AND HERE AGAIN, THE COMP PLAN WITHOUT THE F.A.R. SAYS IT
03:29:05PM SHOULD BE 25 UNITS.
3:29:08PM ONE OF THE OPTIONS MIGHT BE -- AND THIS RELATES TO THE
3:29:09PM NECESSITY FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING -- REDUCE THE SCALE AND
3:29:12PM MASSING, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE PARKING DEMAND.
3:29:14PM OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THE DEVELOPER APPLIES FOR A YC-9
3:29:22PM ZONING, WHICH IS YBOR'S EQUIVALENT OF A PD, SO THE NEIGHBORS
3:29:26PM CAN WEIGH IN AND CITY COUNCIL, WITH ITS PLANNING COMMISSION
3:29:30PM AND ZONING STAFF, CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUES CONCERNING
3:29:33PM COMPATIBILITY, INCLUDING PARKING DEFICIENCIES.
3:29:36PM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
3:29:38PM APPRECIATE IT.
3:29:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:29:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
3:29:42PM WHAT IS THE PARKING REDUCTION ASKED FOR IN THIS?
3:29:57PM >> THERE IS NO PARKING REDUCTION.
3:29:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I UNDERSTAND.
3:30:00PM BUT TAKING THE OFF-SITE PARKING AWAY, LIKE, HOW MUCH PARKING
3:30:03PM DO THEY HAVE FOR WHAT THEY NEED?
3:30:07PM >> THEY DISPLACED 29 SPOTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON-SITE
3:30:12PM TO A SEPARATE LOCATION THAT MET CITY OF TAMPA CODE AT THE
3:30:16PM TIME.
3:30:17PM IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND NO PROJECT GOES
3:30:22PM FORWARD IN FRONT OF THE ARC OR BLC WITHOUT ALL THEIR
3:30:27PM ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE.
3:30:27PM SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS A MOOT POINT.
3:30:30PM THE PARKING MET THE CRITERIA AT THE TIME THAT THE BARRIO
3:30:34PM LATINO COMMISSION LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT.
3:30:37PM EVERYTHING FELL INTO PLACE.
3:30:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:30:40PM THANK YOU.
3:30:40PM ONE MORE QUESTION.
3:30:49PM THE UNIT, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN, IT LOOKED LIKE
3:30:54PM THEY WERE ONE BEDROOMS AND STUDIOS.
3:30:57PM >> THERE ARE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES IN THERE.
3:31:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEY ARE SMALL.
3:31:03PM >> SOME ARE ENTRY LEVEL AND SOME UP TO ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS.
3:31:06PM THE CONFIGURATION HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.
3:31:08PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE COUNT OUT TO.
3:31:11PM BUT YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPER WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK NEXT.
3:31:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
3:31:15PM THANK YOU.
3:31:18PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I LEFT OUT ONE POINT.
3:31:20PM CAN I MAKE FOR TEN SECONDS?
3:31:22PM I THINK MS. HURTAK RAISED A GOOD POINT.
3:31:25PM MARK BENTLEY ONCE AGAIN.
3:31:27PM IN ALL THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE MOST MINIMAL PARKING
3:31:33PM REQUIREMENTS ARE IN YBOR CITY.
3:31:34PM IT'S NOT LIKE THE BALANCE OF THE CITY.
3:31:35PM IT IS SIMPLY ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT, WHERE THE BALANCE
3:31:40PM OF THE CITY YOU GO BY BEDROOMS, GUEST PARKING, AND THINGS
3:31:43PM LIKE THAT.
3:31:44PM THIS PROJECT COULDN'T EVEN MEET THE MOST MINIMAL PARKING
3:31:47PM STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:31:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR THE RECORD, HE STILL HAD TIME LEFT
3:31:51PM IN HIS 15 MINUTES.
3:31:55PM >> JUST FROM THE CITY'S POSITION, HE'S CORRECT BY STATING
3:31:59PM THAT THE PARKING IN THE YBOR CITY AREA IS REDUCED, BUT AT
3:32:05PM THE TIME THIS PROJECT CAME FORWARD IT MET THE CODE THAT'S IN
3:32:08PM PLACE.
3:32:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:32:09PM NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE.
3:32:15PM SIR, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES.
3:32:16PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:32:17PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
3:32:18PM MY NAME IS JIM SHIMBERG, 1001 WATER STREET, HERE
3:32:23PM REPRESENTING DON CLENDENON AND JIM HETTINGER, THE DEVELOPERS
3:32:27PM OF THIS PROJECT.
3:32:28PM ALSO WITH ME IS STEPHANIE GAINES WHO IS THE ARCHITECT WITH
3:32:31PM OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DESIGNING PROJECTS IN YBOR WHO
3:32:34PM CAN SPEAK IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN A SECOND.
3:32:37PM FIRST OF ALL, LET'S TALK ABOUT GOOD FAITH FOR A MINUTE.
3:32:41PM OUR CLIENT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY 2022.
3:32:45PM THEY WORKED WITH STAFF.
3:32:47PM THEY WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:32:48PM THEY'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH SOME OF MR. BENTLEY'S CLIENTS.
3:32:53PM THEY INTENDED TO DESIGN A PROJECT THAT CAME TO THE BLC WITH
3:32:56PM NO WAIVER REQUEST.
3:32:57PM THEY MET THE PARKING BY AN OFF-SITE PARKING AGREEMENT.
3:33:00PM UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS I THINK EITHER OUR FOURTH OR FIFTH
3:33:03PM OFF-SITE PARKING AGREEMENT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE ENTERED
3:33:07PM INTO ONE, THE PERSON CALLED US BACK AND SAID, SORRY, WE NEED
3:33:11PM TO TERMINATE.
3:33:12PM DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT HAPPENED MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. THIS
3:33:14PM PARTICULAR AGREEMENT WITH THE LIONS EYE INSTITUTE, I KNOW
3:33:17PM MR. BENTLEY PRODUCED AN E-MAIL TO MR. ANDY SCAGLIONE, WHO IS
3:33:21PM NOT MY CLIENT.
3:33:22PM MY CLIENT HAS BEEN PAYING $1600 TO LIONS EYE INSTITUTE EVERY
3:33:26PM MONTH AND SPOKE TO THEM AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY AND TOLD
3:33:28PM THEM THEY HAD NO PLANS TO EXPAND.
3:33:31PM I ALSO TOTALLY DISAGREE THAT WE MISREPRESENTED ANYTHING.
3:33:34PM WE CAME TO THE CITY WITH A PROJECT THAT HAD BEEN THOROUGHLY
3:33:37PM VETTED BY STAFF, WE VIEWED JUST LIKE THE LAST HEARING YOU
3:33:41PM LOOKED AT WHERE YOU LISTENED TO WHAT THE VARIANCE REVIEW
3:33:44PM BOARD DECIDED.
3:33:46PM IN THIS CASE, WEIGHED PROJECT WHERE OUR CLIENT WORKED VERY
3:33:49PM CLOSELY WITH MR. VILA AND MR. FERNANDEZ AND THEIR STAFF IN
3:33:53PM COMING UP WITH A PROJECT THAT CLEARLY MET ALL THE CODES.
3:33:58PM AND MS. GAINS CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
3:34:01PM THE BLC HAD A VERY THOROUGH HEARING WHERE THEY CONSIDERED
3:34:06PM ALL OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.
3:34:08PM THEY SPOKE TO EACH ONE OF THOSE ISSUES IN DETAIL.
3:34:11PM THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
3:34:15PM THEY WERE CLEARLY TOLD AT THE BEGINNING THAT THE OFF-SITE
3:34:17PM PARKING AGREEMENT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF.
3:34:20PM IT WAS A STAFF APPROVAL.
3:34:21PM THEY COULD HAVE APPEALED THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT MECHANISM.
3:34:23PM IF FOR SOME REASON THE PARKING AGREEMENT GETS TERMINATED,
3:34:26PM OUR CLIENT WILL GET ANOTHER PARKING AGREEMENT BEFORE THEY
3:34:30PM MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
3:34:31PM THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
3:34:32PM I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. BENTLEY'S CLIENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
3:34:34PM OFF-STREET PARKING, BUT THAT IS A VALID ISSUE, NO ONE IS
3:34:38PM ENTITLED TO THOSE OFF-STREET SPACES.
3:34:40PM THAT'S WHY OUR CLIENT ENTERED INTO AN OFF-SITE PARKING
3:34:43PM AGREEMENT AND TOOK OUT THE PROVISION THAT SAID WE COULD
3:34:46PM CANCEL IT.
3:34:47PM WE CAN'T CANCEL THE AGREEMENT.
3:34:48PM THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN CANCEL IT IS THE OTHER SIDE.
3:34:50PM WE EVEN STARTED PAYING THEM 8 OR 9 MONTHS AGO, WHICH IS
3:34:54PM UNHEARD OF.
3:34:56PM NOBODY DOES THAT.
3:34:57PM ANOTHER PROJECT IN YBOR WHERE YOU START PAYING WHEN YOU USE
3:35:01PM THE PARKING SPACES.
3:35:02PM WE HAVEN'T USED ONE PARKING SPACE AND PAID THEM $1600 A
3:35:05PM MONTH FOR THE LAST EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS.
3:35:08PM WE CONTINUE TO KEEP DOING THAT FOR THE PROJECT TO HAVE THE
3:35:13PM APPROPRIATE PARKING.
3:35:14PM LET ME ASK MS. GAINES TO COME UP A MINUTE AND SPEAK TO HOW
3:35:21PM THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED TO MEET THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF YBOR
3:35:24PM REQUIREMENT.
3:35:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING
3:35:27PM WHILE WE'RE HERE?
3:35:28PM >> SURE.
3:35:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE ALLOWED TO ENTER -- TO GET NEW
3:35:34PM INFORMATION, AND I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS -- I DON'T EVEN
3:35:41PM KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, BUT WOULD YOU BE
3:35:46PM WILLING TO HAVE -- WHAT IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR?
3:35:54PM SOMETHING ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT FOLKS WHO
3:36:00PM ARE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR A
3:36:04PM STREET PARKING DECAL?
3:36:06PM WE CAN'T DO THAT.
3:36:08PM OKAY.
3:36:09PM THEN NEVER MIND.
3:36:10PM THANKS.
3:36:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
3:36:12PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:36:13PM >> STEPHANIE DECEMBER GAINES WITH GROH ARCHITECTURE.
3:36:17PM WE ARE A RECENT MERGER OF CURTS GAINES HALL JONES
3:36:20PM ARCHITECTURE AND ROJO ARCHITECTURE.
3:36:22PM TWO TAMPA BASED FIRMS, ONE OVER 50 YEARS OLD AND ONE
3:36:26PM 30 YEARS OLD.
3:36:28PM WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA FOR THOSE 30, 40 YEARS.
3:36:33PM I'M NOT HERE TO TOUT MYSELF, JUST TO SAY THAT OUR CLIENTS
3:36:38PM WHO ARE DEVELOPERS FROM PHILADELPHIA AND KEY WEST, HIRED
3:36:45PM PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
3:36:46PM WE'VE DONE ALL SORTS OF PROJECTS FROM LITTLE TINY
3:36:50PM SINGLE-FAMILY ADDITIONS TO THE UNION PHASE ONE OF GASWORX
3:36:56PM WHICH IS BEING COMPLETED NOW.
3:36:57PM WE'VE DONE LOTS OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
3:36:59PM WE'VE WORKED WITH THE BLC STAFF I THINK BEFORE RON EVEN GOT
3:37:06PM THERE.
3:37:07PM I DON'T WANT TO AGE MYSELF, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE THOROUGHLY
3:37:15PM ACKNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATE THE JOB THAT THE STAFF HAS OF
3:37:19PM ENFORCING THE YBOR CITY GUIDELINES.
3:37:22PM THERE ARE THREE PAGES IN THE 95-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT ARE
3:37:26PM RELATED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
3:37:28PM THREE PAGES.
3:37:29PM THESE WERE WRITTEN -- THEY ARE THE SAME GUIDELINES I'VE BEEN
3:37:35PM USING TO WORK WITH ON PROJECTS FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
3:37:38PM AND I'M NOT BLAMING STAFF.
3:37:40PM I'M SURE IT'S A TIME ISSUE, BUT THEY ARE OUTDATED.
3:37:44PM AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
3:37:49PM WHEN YOU FIND HOLES IN THE GUIDELINES WHERE VERY LITTLE IS
3:37:55PM DEFINED, THEN YOU ARE TO GO TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
3:38:00PM GUIDELINES.
3:38:00PM AND, OF COURSE, THOSE ARE VERY THOROUGH, VERY INVOLVED AND
3:38:03PM THAT IS WHAT WE USE.
3:38:05PM WE WORKED WITH STAFF.
3:38:07PM WE SPENT TWO HOURS IN THE OFFICIAL REVIEW PROCESS -- TWO
3:38:13PM HOURS -- TWO YEARS FROM, YOU KNOW, IF I BACK UP FROM TODAY.
3:38:17PM BEFORE THAT, WE SPENT A YEAR WORKING WITH STAFF BEFORE WE
3:38:20PM MADE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
3:38:24PM THESE CLIENTS, I HAVE TO CORRECT JIM ON ONE THING, THESE
3:38:30PM CLIENTS ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY PLANNED ON SUBMITTING FOR, AND
3:38:33PM DID ACTUALLY MAKE APPLICATION THAT THEY WITHDREW BECAUSE IT
3:38:37PM WAS BASED ON A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF PARKING.
3:38:42PM WE HAVE 63 SPACES ON-SITE AND WE'RE DEDICATING 22 ADDITIONAL
3:38:49PM NONTRADITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR OTHER TYPES OF VEHICLES.
3:38:53PM BUT AFTER MEETING WITH SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND STAFF
3:38:57PM WITH THE BLC, WE REALIZED THAT THE TIMING WAS NOT RIGHT TO
3:39:03PM ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
3:39:04PM THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDERLYING PARKING ISSUES IN YBOR NOW
3:39:07PM THAT THIS PROJECT CAN'T SOLVE.
3:39:08PM BUT WE CERTAINLY WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT A WORSE PROBLEM.
3:39:12PM SO THAT'S WHEN WE WITHDREW OUR APPLICATION AND CAME BEFORE
3:39:15PM THE BOARD WITH A PROJECT THAT MET PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY
3:39:26PM PROVIDING THE OFF-SITE PARKING.
3:39:27PM THE UNITS, SORRY, I JOTTED DOWN A LOT OF NOTES AND I'M GOING
3:39:32PM TO BE PROBABLY RAMBLING.
3:39:33PM THE ISSUE OF GOING WITH YC 9, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A PLANNED
3:39:37PM DEVELOPMENT REQUEST THAT NORMALLY WHEN WE WORK WITH
3:39:43PM DEVELOPERS, THE VERY FIRST THING WE DO IS TRY TO DESIGN A
3:39:47PM PROJECT THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA GIVEN, THAT IS WITHIN THE
3:39:51PM RIGHT, WITHIN THE ZONING CODE.
3:39:53PM AND YC 9 IS RESERVED FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT NEED ALL KINDS
3:39:57PM OF EXCEPTIONS TO THAT BASE ZONING.
3:40:02PM WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE CURRENT ZONING OR
3:40:05PM TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
3:40:06PM I THINK THAT THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I WILL SHOW
3:40:11PM YOU, I KNOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS, BUT I THINK IT'S
3:40:14PM IMPORTANT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS TO SHOW YOU THIS, IF I
3:40:22PM COULD.
3:40:22PM WHICH IS 3D OF THE AREA WITH THE ZONING AREAS DEPICTED.
3:40:29PM IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL, BUT THE DARKER YELLOW OR THE
3:40:34PM ORANGE COLOR IS THE YC 7 DISTRICT, WHICH IS ONE TWO-STORY
3:40:42PM DWELLING NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING.
3:40:44PM AND THE YC 6, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE IN, IS A TRANSITIONAL ZONE
3:40:51PM BETWEEN THE LARGER SCALE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH ALONG ADAMO.
3:40:54PM FOR REFERENCES, THIS IS VERY KEY ASPECT.
3:41:00PM I HAVE THE ENTIRE BLC PRESENTATION HERE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO
3:41:03PM SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE.
3:41:06PM I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
3:41:09PM CIGAR FACTORIES WERE TRADITIONALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT
3:41:17PM NEXT TO ONE-STORY HOMES, TWO-STORY HOMES.
3:41:20PM WE ARE CHARGED BY THE GUIDELINES TO FIND A REFERENCE FOR
3:41:25PM DESIGNING OUR BUILDING AND THE REFERENCE THAT WE USE ARE
3:41:27PM CIGAR FACTORIES.
3:41:29PM THIS CIGAR FACTORY IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE PROJECT.
3:41:32PM HERE IS OUR PROJECT.
3:41:33PM HERE IS THE CORRAL WODISKA BUILDING WHICH WHAT THIS IS.
3:41:38PM THIS IS A NEW PROJECT, I SAY NEW, PROBABLY 15, 20 YEARS OLD
3:41:42PM NOW, BUT APPROVED BY THE BLC WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO
3:41:45PM THE PROPERTY.
3:41:45PM SO IT IS A LARGER SCALE BUILDING THAN THE IMMEDIATE
3:41:51PM SURROUNDING HOMES, BUT IT STILL FITS IN THE CHARACTER THAT
3:41:55PM MAKES YBOR CITY WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS A LIVING, WORKING
3:42:00PM COMMUNITY.
3:42:01PM THE OWNERS COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO PUT IN FEWER LARGE UNITS,
3:42:06PM BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MARKET -- THAT'S NOT THE MARKET THEY
3:42:09PM WANT TO GO AFTER.
3:42:11PM THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO
3:42:15PM WORK IN YBOR AND DOWNTOWN.
3:42:18PM AND THE REASON THAT THEY WERE GOING TOWARD A VARIANCE IN THE
3:42:21PM BEGINNING WAS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE ALTERNATE
3:42:26PM TRANSPORTATION THOUGHTS.
3:42:27PM BUT REALIZE, OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID THAT WE WEREN'T READY
3:42:31PM FOR THAT YET.
3:42:32PM THERE ARE ISSUES IN YBOR THAT THIS CLIENT HAS AGREED TO HELP
3:42:41PM WITH, ASSIST WITH THE PARKING IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
3:42:44PM THEY EVEN BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF BANNING THEIR RESIDENTS
3:42:50PM FROM TAKING, DOING THE PARKING PASSES, BUT WE'RE TOLD WE'RE
3:42:56PM NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
3:42:57PM BUT THEY WILL DISCOURAGE THEM AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
3:43:01PM THEY MADE CHANGES, REDUCING THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE
3:43:05PM BUILDING BY 12%.
3:43:09PM THERE'S A WHOLE SEQUENCE OF EXHIBITS THAT WE PROVIDED AT THE
3:43:12PM HEARING FOR THAT.
3:43:16PM THERE'S ONLY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
3:43:18PM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE 3,000 CAME FROM, BUT A THOUSAND
3:43:21PM SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL WHICH IS A LITTLE BODEGA ON THE
3:43:24PM CORNER.
3:43:25PM LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD BODEGA.
3:43:26PM PARKING IS NOT DEFICIENT.
3:43:29PM WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE F.A.R. AND THAT ALLOWS, INSTEAD OF
3:43:32PM DENSITY, WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE EITHER ONE.
3:43:34PM AND THAT ALLOWS US A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SIZES OF UNITS.
3:43:39PM WE HAVE MOSTLY STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM.
3:43:42PM THERE ARE SIX TWO-BEDROOM UNITS IN THE ENTIRE COMPLEX.
3:43:46PM AFTER MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE ALSO MADE CHANGES TO,
3:43:53PM WE HAVE A LITTLE SMALL ROOFTOP AREA, SO WE MADE CHANGES TO
3:43:57PM THAT AREA TO MINIMIZE THE USE, AT THE TIME OF THE USE OF
3:44:01PM THAT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND TO ELIMINATE A POOL THAT HAD
3:44:04PM BEEN PROVIDED.
3:44:06PM THESE CLIENTS IN PARTICULAR ARE VERY SENSITIVE AND WANT TO
3:44:09PM BE CONTRIBUTING, POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTING TO THE
3:44:13PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:44:13PM THANK YOU.
3:44:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:44:16PM WHO IS NEXT?
3:44:17PM MR. SHIMBERG, ANYBODY ELSE?
3:44:20PM >> WE'LL RESERVE THE REST OF OUR TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
3:44:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:44:23PM AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
3:44:28PM WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
3:44:29PM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE
3:44:32PM YOUR NAME.
3:44:32PM YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
3:44:38PM >> MATTHEW CAMPO, 1725 EAST 5th AVENUE.
3:44:43PM I'M ONE PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
3:44:46PM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT I WANT TO KEY IN
3:44:49PM ON TWO THINGS.
3:44:50PM ONE IS APPROPRIATE.
3:44:52PM THAT'S THE INTENTION OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE BARRIO'S
3:44:55PM FUNCTION IS, IS DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE, NOT JUST
3:45:00PM THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE SITE AND HOW THE SITE FUNCTIONS WITH
3:45:03PM THE PROJECT.
3:45:04PM THE SECOND PART I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS MASSING.
3:45:08PM THERE'S A BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL ON MASSING.
3:45:13PM ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THEY ARE BUILDING -- THIS IS ONE
3:45:25PM OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED.
3:45:27PM THIS LITTLE AREA OVER HERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
3:45:29PM THIS IS FROM THE ARCHITECT.
3:45:33PM THIS IS THEIR HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THEIR STRUCTURE.
3:45:35PM THIS IS THE 60-FOOT LEVEL HERE AND THIS IS A 70-FOOT LEVEL,
3:45:40PM WHICH IS -- IT'S A BUILDING 70 FEET TALL.
3:45:45PM GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT.
3:45:46PM THE OTHER PORTION, AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE MASSING.
3:45:49PM THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS ABOUT 281 FEET WIDE.
3:45:54PM ANYWHERE BETWEEN 60 AND 70 FEET TALL.
3:45:57PM IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN 4th STREET IN EITHER DIRECTION,
3:46:00PM THERE'S NO STRUCTURE WHATSOEVER THAT'S COMPATIBLE AND
3:46:02PM COMPARABLE TO THIS.
3:46:03PM EVERYTHING ELSE IS 120 FEET.
3:46:05PM I KNOW BECAUSE I MEASURED THEM.
3:46:06PM THE HEIGHTS ARE ABOUT 50.
3:46:07PM WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT MASSING AND HOW -- THEY MADE AN
3:46:13PM ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS MASSING BY BASICALLY CHANGING SOME
3:46:14PM COLORING AND PUT SOME ELEVATIONAL CHANGE IN THERE.
3:46:20PM AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE
3:46:22PM BUILDING, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TWO BUILDINGS.
3:46:24PM IT IS A BUILDING THAT'S 280 FEET WIDE, 70 FEET TALL
3:46:28PM SURROUNDED BY SMALLER SINGLE-STORY STRUCTURES.
3:46:31PM THAT'S MY MAIN THING WITH THE PROJECT, MY OBJECTION TO IT IS
3:46:34PM THAT THE MASSING WAS NOT REALLY ACCOUNTED FOR.
3:46:36PM I THINK THE BLC FOCUSED ON THE BUILDING AND THE ARCHITECTURE
3:46:40PM RATHER THAN HOW IT FITS OVERALL INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT
3:46:42PM OR THE OVERALL AREA THAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE.
3:46:45PM THAT'S MY ONE PARTICULAR COMPONENT THAT I WANT TO BRING UP
3:46:50PM TODAY.
3:46:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:46:53PM ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?
3:46:54PM COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
3:47:00PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:47:00PM ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
3:47:03PM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON TWO BEHALVES.
3:47:05PM ON THE 17,000 MEMBERS OF THE GREATER TAMPA REALTORS AND WE
3:47:09PM HAD -- I HAD BEEN MEETING ACTUALLY, HAD SOME CONSTRUCTIVE
3:47:13PM MEETING WITH ATTORNEY JOHN -- ABOUT AMENDING SECTION
3:47:19PM 27.283.6, METHODS OF PROVIDING REQUIRED PARKING AND LOADING.
3:47:27PM THERE IS A DEVELOPER LOOPHOLE HERE.
3:47:30PM AND THE LOOPHOLE ALLOWS YOU TO GO SIGN A LEASE THAT YOU'RE
3:47:36PM REQUIRED FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE CANCELLATION.
3:47:41PM THAT'S NOT A FIVE-YEAR LEASE.
3:47:42PM IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS A SEVEN-YEAR LEASE WITH A 90 DAY
3:47:46PM CANCELLATION.
3:47:47PM THAT IS NOT A SEVEN-YEAR LEASE.
3:47:48PM THAT IS A 90-DAY LEASE.
3:47:50PM THEN YOU SAY WELL WE'LL GO PROVIDE, WE'LL GET OTHER PARKING.
3:47:53PM THERE IS NO OTHER PARKING IN THIS AREA.
3:47:55PM YOU HAVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT CAN'T BE TORN DOWN.
3:47:58PM THERE ARE NO OPTIONS ONCE THIS LEASE.
3:48:00PM AND THIS LEASE, THE CEO OF THE LIONS INSTITUTE WROTE ME AN
3:48:04PM E-MAIL SAYING I'M USING THIS PROPERTY WITHIN A YEAR.
3:48:07PM HE'LL COLLECT THEIR MONEY RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN HE NEEDS THE
3:48:10PM PROPERTY, SO WHERE IS ALL THAT OFF-SITE PARKING, WHERE ARE
3:48:14PM THEY GOING TO GO?
3:48:15PM AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE BACKS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT
3:48:18PM CONTINUES TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WE DON'T KNOW
3:48:21PM HOW MANY TIMES IT HAS HAPPENED THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
3:48:23PM THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
3:48:27PM RESIDENTS, THEY HAVE BUSINESSES AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT
3:48:31PM THEY BUILD THEM, MAKE THEIR MONEY AND THEY ARE GONE AND THE
3:48:35PM NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO SUFFER AND THAT'S WRONG.
3:48:37PM OKAY.
3:48:37PM THAT'S WRONG.
3:48:38PM THIS IS A CASE I'M IN THE TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE.
3:48:41PM I'M TALKING STRICTLY THAT'S WHAT IS RIGHT.
3:48:43PM YOU HEAR ME ALL THE TIME.
3:48:45PM QUALITY VERSUS QUANTITY.
3:48:46PM BY ALLOWING THIS LOOPHOLE THAT YOU CAN TRY TO -- THIS
3:48:52PM AGREEMENT, I LOOKED AT IT, IT'S NOT EVEN RECORDED.
3:48:54PM IN FACT, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF WITNESSES TO
3:48:58PM BE RECORDED.
3:48:58PM TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
3:49:01PM CAN'T HAVE A -- YOU CAN'T PRESENT YOU HAVE A SEVEN-YEAR
3:49:06PM LEASE WHEN YOU HAVE A 90-DAY CANCELLATION.
3:49:11PM EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
3:49:11PM I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS REALLY
3:49:14PM VERY UPSETTING TO ME.
3:49:18PM IT'S ON THE BACKS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS NOT RIGHT.
3:49:20PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:49:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:49:25PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:49:25PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:49:28PM >> HI.
3:49:28PM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
3:49:30PM I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MR. CAMPO AND MR.
3:49:33PM SCAGLIONE AND THE AGGRIEVED PARTY THAT MR. BENTLEY AND MR.
3:49:37PM MANASSE SO APTLY REPRESENTED.
3:49:40PM THIS CASE SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
3:49:45PM I HAD RELATIVES FROM MASSACHUSETTS COME AND STAY WITH US,
3:49:48PM AND I TOOK THEM THROUGH YBOR TO SHOW THEM HOW WONDERFUL IT
3:49:52PM IS.
3:49:52PM THIS IS OBVIOUSLY OUT OF CHARACTER.
3:49:54PM IT'S GOING TO BE SO BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:49:57PM THE TEN POUNDS OF SHIZZLE SUGAR IN A FIVE-POUND BAG.
3:50:02PM I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN HYDE PARK WHERE
3:50:08PM YOU'VE GOT THESE OLD NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NARROW DRIVEWAYS AND
3:50:11PM NARROW STREETS AND LIMITED PARKING.
3:50:13PM PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK THE CLOSEST THEY CAN SO THEY CAN
3:50:17PM LEASE PARKING SOMEPLACE ELSE.
3:50:19PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT IF THERE'S ANYTHING CLOSER,
3:50:22PM WHICH MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE, WHEN A
3:50:25PM HOME HEALTH CARE WORKER COMES, WHEN A PLUMBER COMES, WHEN
3:50:30PM THEY HAVE GUESTS AND RELATIVES OVER, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
3:50:32PM HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
3:50:34PM AND THAT OFF-STREET PARKING IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THEM, WHERE
3:50:39PM THEY HAVE TO SCHLEPP THEIR CASSEROLES.
3:50:43PM I WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS
3:50:47PM WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND ASK YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS.
3:50:50PM IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOOPHOLE.
3:50:52PM THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING.
3:50:53PM A CANCELLATION.
3:50:55PM THEY SAID THEY HAD FOUR PEOPLE CANCEL.
3:50:56PM THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.
3:51:00PM THERE IS NO LEASE FOR PARKING.
3:51:01PM THANK YOU.
3:51:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:51:02PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:51:06PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:51:06PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
3:51:08PM MAN, THAT JUDGE OVER THERE THAT RULED FOR THE LIBERTY GROUP
3:51:13PM THE OTHER DAY, SHE STRIKES AGAIN.
3:51:15PM A BAD IDEA THAT MEETS CODE, BUT DOESN'T MEET THE COMMONSENSE
3:51:20PM TEST.
3:51:20PM CASE NUMBER ONE TODAY, GOOD PLAN TURNED DOWN, COMMON SENSE
3:51:24PM APPLIED BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, NO JUDGE CAN DO THAT BUT YOU.
3:51:28PM COMMON SENSE WAS APPLIED AND WE MOVED FORWARD.
3:51:31PM CASE NUMBER TWO, CRAPPY PLAN TURNED DOWN, COMMON SENSE
3:51:34PM APPLIED, YOU UPHELD IT.
3:51:36PM HERE WE ARE WITH CASE NUMBER THREE, CRAPPY PLAN, APPROVED,
3:51:39PM COMMON SENSE APPLIED HERE, WHICH MEANS YOU SHOULD BE
3:51:42PM REVERSING THIS APPROVAL.
3:51:43PM WHY IN THE WORLD IS THERE A 70-FOOT BUILDING BEING BUILT ON
3:51:48PM THAT CORNER WITH NO PARKING?
3:51:51PM NO PARKING.
3:51:53PM WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND UNLESS EVERYBODY
3:51:57PM IS GOING TO PARK IN A 717 LOT AND THEY WILL BE BROKE BY THE
3:52:01PM END OF THE MONTH.
3:52:02PM THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING
3:52:05PM ALL THEIR MONEY FOR PARKING.
3:52:06PM I SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
3:52:10PM I SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT MEET THE
3:52:13PM CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:52:15PM WHY ARE WE -- I'M BEFUDDLED.
3:52:17PM MASSING IS A HUGE ISSUE.
3:52:20PM DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND HAS BEEN PREACHING ON THAT FOR YEARS.
3:52:25PM WE HAVE TO GIVE FOLKS PLACES TO PARK BECAUSE, I'M SORRY,
3:52:28PM WE'RE NOT NEW YORK.
3:52:29PM WE'RE NOT BOSTON.
3:52:30PM WE'RE NOT ANY OF THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GET ON MASS
3:52:33PM TRANSIT.
3:52:34PM THANK YOU.
3:52:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:52:35PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
3:52:36PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:52:39PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
3:52:42PM FRANK CAPITANO, LIVE PARTNERS DEVELOPMENT, 2000 EAST 11th
3:52:47PM AVENUE YBOR CITY.
3:52:48PM WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING IN YBOR FOR THREE GENERATIONS, MOVING
3:52:52PM ON TO OUR FOURTH GENERATION NOW.
3:52:53PM I THINK MY SON ACTUALLY TOOK A JOB IN YBOR TODAY WORKING
3:52:56PM WITH A REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
3:52:58PM WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE IS WE'RE PRO DEVELOPMENT.
3:53:02PM AS YOU KNOW, WE DEVELOP QUITE A BIT IN YBOR.
3:53:05PM FOR US, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE WHAT
3:53:10PM IS APPROPRIATE.
3:53:10PM AS ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PARKING THAT
3:53:17PM MET -- WHAT BELIEVE TO MEET THE DESIGN EXCEPTION TO US IS
3:53:21PM NOT.
3:53:21PM IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CANCEL IT, ANSWER THE QUESTION,
3:53:23PM WHERE ARE THOSE FOLKS GOING TO PARK ONCE THE LEASE IS
3:53:26PM CANCELED?
3:53:27PM THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND PARKING ALL OVER THE STREETS
3:53:31PM WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE TODAY.
3:53:32PM THAT'S BEEN ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ARGUMENTS.
3:53:35PM I'LL LEAVE ALL THE DESIGN AND THE SCALE AND THE MASSING TO
3:53:38PM OTHERS.
3:53:38PM BUT THE BIGGEST CONCERN HAS BEEN HOW THE PARKING DESIGN
3:53:42PM EXCEPTION WAS APPROVED.
3:53:44PM THANK YOU.
3:53:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:53:45PM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE?
3:53:46PM I HAVE A QUESTION, CONSIDERING THE SIZE AND THE MASSING, ARE
3:53:53PM THERE ANY CIGAR FACTORIES?
3:53:54PM BECAUSE AN IMAGE WAS -- ARE THERE ANY CIGAR FACTORIES AS
3:53:58PM LARGE AS THIS DESIGN?
3:54:01PM >> CIGAR FACTORIES OUT THERE THAT ARE OF THE PERIOD THAT ARE
3:54:04PM LARGER.
3:54:05PM THEY HAVE SIMILAR FOOTPRINTS.
3:54:07PM AS PART OF HER PRESENTATION MOVING FORWARD AND FROM THE
3:54:09PM BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION, SHE USED THOSE AS REFERENCES.
3:54:13PM AND WHEN IT'S MY TIME TO REBUT, I'LL SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF
3:54:16PM THAT AS WELL.
3:54:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:54:18PM AT THIS TIME, ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO
3:54:21PM REBUTTAL?
3:54:22PM YES, MA'AM.
3:54:23PM >> THIS IS OUR STAFF REBUTTAL PERIOD.
3:54:26PM DANA CROSBY COLLIER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
3:54:30PM I HAVE TWO BRIEF THINGS, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RON.
3:54:33PM THE FIRST ITEM IS REGARDING THE AGREEMENT, IT DOES HAVE A
3:54:38PM PROVISION THAT THE TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT
3:54:41PM RELIEVE THE DEVELOPER OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE
3:54:44PM THIS OFF-SITE PARKING.
3:54:46PM THIS IS A STANDARD AGREEMENT WE USE IN OUR OFFICE ON THESE
3:54:50PM ARRANGEMENTS THAT ARE PERMISSIBLE UNDER 27-283.6, AND THAT
3:54:55PM IS INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY
3:54:59PM MUST PROCURE OTHER PARKING FOR THOSE 29, 30 SPOTS, IF THIS
3:55:05PM AGREEMENT GOES AWAY.
3:55:06PM THE SECOND THING I JUST WANTED TO ADD IS I DID DIRECT YOUR
3:55:11PM ATTENTION AT THE BEGINNING TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
3:55:14PM WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT, RON MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
3:55:17PM HOW WE ROUTE PROJECTS WHEN THEY COME IN THE DOOR, WE HAVE A
3:55:21PM DRC MEETING ON THEM AS STAFF AND WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT
3:55:25PM ZONING AND DIFFERENT PARKING AND OTHER THINGS, LIKE THE
3:55:28PM F.A.R. AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
3:55:30PM ALL OF THIS IS DISCUSSED IN STAFF BEFORE IT EVER GOES TO THE
3:55:34PM BARRIO.
3:55:35PM AND JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE
3:55:37PM ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IN ADDITION TO PARKING WILL CONSIDER,
3:55:41PM ALONG WITH OTHER STAFF, STORMWATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES,
3:55:43PM THE USUAL GROUP OF CITY STAFF.
3:55:46PM I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO RON TO FINISH UP OUR TIME.
3:55:54PM >>RON VILA: RON VILA, STAFF WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
3:55:57PM A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TOUCH UPON THAT STAFF AND THE BARRIO
3:56:01PM LATINO COMMISSION BOTH SUPPORT AND SAID IT WAS CONSISTENT
3:56:04PM WITH OUR CRITERIA.
3:56:05PM AS THE PROJECT COMES FORWARD, WHEN IT COMES INTO OUR OFFICE,
3:56:11PM AS DANA STATED, WE ROUTE IT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT
3:56:14PM DEPARTMENTS.
3:56:15PM NATURAL RESOURCES, ZONING, LEGAL, STORMWATER, AND
3:56:18PM TRANSPORTATION, ALL LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT FOR THE
3:56:21PM CONSISTENCY WITH THEIR CODES.
3:56:22PM IF IT DOESN'T MEET THEIR CODE INITIALLY, THEY MODIFY THE
3:56:25PM PLAN.
3:56:25PM THE PROJECT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL IT MEETS ALL CITY
3:56:30PM DEPARTMENTS AT THAT PRELIMINARY STAGE.
3:56:31PM AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE
3:56:34PM JOGGING AS IT GOES TO THE PLANS EXAMINER.
3:56:37PM BUT AT THAT PRELIMINARY STAGE, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
3:56:41PM THEY TALKED ABOUT THE UNIT COUNT.
3:56:44PM ONCE AGAIN, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR,
3:56:47PM ERIC COTTON, REVIEWED THIS.
3:56:49PM IT MET THE CRITERIA FOR THE PARKING THAT WAS SUBMITTED AT
3:56:53PM THAT TIME AND FOR THE F.A.R. FOR THE UNIT COUNT.
3:56:56PM THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AGAIN.
3:57:06PM I USED THIS EARLIER.
3:57:08PM YOU SEE THE LOT COVERAGE ON SOME OF THESE.
3:57:11PM SOMEBODY SPOKE EARLIER, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
3:57:14PM THIS IS TRANSITION AREA FROM THE INDUSTRIAL TO THE MORE
3:57:18PM DENSE RESIDENTIAL.
3:57:20PM THEN YOU GET INTO THE COMMERCIAL CORE ON 7th AVENUE.
3:57:23PM INITIALLY, WHEN STAFF STARTED TO ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS, WE
3:57:28PM WORKED WITH THE DESIGN TEAM.
3:57:30PM THEY ARE ENTITLED TO GO FROM LOT LINE TO LOT LINE TO 60-FOOT
3:57:34PM IN HEIGHT.
3:57:34PM THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL BALL OF CLAY, IF YOU WILL.
3:57:38PM FIRST ALTERATION, THEY TOOK OUT SOME MASSING ON THE TOP.
3:57:45PM SECOND ALTERATION, WHICH TOOK MANY MONTHS TO GET TO THIS
3:57:49PM LEVEL, TOOK OFF SOME OF THE SIDE PIECES TO LOWER THE SCALE
3:57:53PM AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL AND SOME HEIGHT AS WELL.
3:57:55PM THE THIRD, AS SHE TALKED ABOUT, HAD SOME ROOF COMPONENTS UP
3:58:01PM THERE.
3:58:02PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAVELING OF THE
3:58:06PM NOISE AND GATHERING ON THE ROOFTOP AND THE POOL.
3:58:09PM ALL THAT WAS ELIMINATED OR SOME OF THAT WAS ELIMINATED.
3:58:12PM AND THEN THE FINAL SOLUTION, WHICH THE BOARD REVIEWED AND
3:58:16PM THIS WAS STAFF'S, WHAT WE GENERATED OUR STAFF REPORT ON.
3:58:22PM THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT ILLUSTRATIONS AND I DON'T HAVE THE
3:58:26PM TIME TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT AS PART OF HER DUE
3:58:29PM DILIGENCE AND HER PRESENTATION GOING FORWARD, THE HISTORIC
3:58:34PM CIGAR FACTORY WAS USED AS A REFERENCE AND THEN SOME NEW
3:58:37PM CONSTRUCTION AS WELL WAS USED AS REFERENCE THAT WAS APPROVED
3:58:41PM BY THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
3:58:43PM AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION.
3:58:44PM I THINK MY TIME IS UP.
3:58:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:58:47PM ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENTS BEFORE I GO TO PETITIONER REBUTTAL?
3:58:50PM PETITIONER REBUTTAL, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY
3:58:55PM PROPERTY OWNER REBUTTAL, ALSO FIVE MINUTES.
3:58:58PM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:59:00PM >> MARK BENTLEY ONCE AGAIN.
3:59:01PM CONCERNING THE PARKING, ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU REALLY ANALYZE
3:59:04PM IT, THERE WAS NEVER A REAL DESIGN EXCEPTION APPROVAL.
3:59:10PM NUMBER ONE, THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED WAS INACCURATE.
3:59:12PM WASN'T A LONG-TERM LEASE.
3:59:15PM 90-DAY TERMINATION.
3:59:17PM IN THAT RESPECT, IT DIDN'T MEET THE DE 1.
3:59:21PM NUMBER TWO, EVEN AS WE SPEAK HERE AT THE TIME OF THE BLC
3:59:25PM HEARING, IN ORDER TO HAVE A DE 1 TO ACTUALLY APPROVE DE 1,
3:59:29PM YOU HAVE TO RECORD IT.
3:59:31PM IN SPITE OF ALL THIS CHAOS AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEASE,
3:59:35PM IT'S NEVER BEEN RECORDED.
3:59:38PM THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN RECORDED BECAUSE THE LIONS EYE
3:59:42PM SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYMORE.
3:59:44PM SO THERE NEVER WAS OR IS AS WE SPEAK A DE 1 BECAUSE THEY
3:59:48PM NEVER RECORDED IT.
3:59:49PM THAT'S ONE OF THE FOUR ELEMENTS OR FOUR REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE
3:59:52PM A DE 1.
3:59:53PM HERE AGAIN THE BARRIO IS SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THAT UNDER ITS
3:59:57PM CHARGE, UNDER THE CRITERIA.
3:59:58PM AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT RIGHT HERE.
4:00:03PM THESE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE BARRIO.
4:00:06PM YOU CAN SEE I'M POINTING TO PARKING COMPLIANCE.
4:00:10PM MS. CROSBY MENTIONED THAT, OH, BY THE WAY, IN THE LEASE,
4:00:14PM THERE IS A LITTLE PARAGRAPH AT THE END THAT THE CITY PUTS IN
4:00:17PM THERE, HEY, BY THE WAY, IF YOU TERMINATE THIS LEASE AND
4:00:21PM DON'T HAVE PARKING IN THE FUTURE, YOU NEED TO GET PARKING.
4:00:23PM THAT'S ALL THAT SAYS.
4:00:25PM IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.
4:00:27PM IT'S TOTALLY MEANINGLESS.
4:00:29PM JUST SOME FEEL-GOOD LANGUAGE TO TELL A DEVELOPER, PUT THEM
4:00:33PM ON NOTICE, IF THE LIONS EYE TERMINATES THE LEASE ON YOU,
4:00:37PM YOU'RE DONE.
4:00:37PM LET'S GO BACK TO THE COMP PLAN, RYAN.
4:00:41PM HERE AGAIN, IF F.A.R. IS APPLIED TO A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT TO
4:00:50PM DETERMINE A SITE'S MAXIMUM DENSITY IT SHALL BE COMPATIBLE IN
4:00:54PM CHARACTER AND SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL BUILT
4:00:58PM ENVIRONMENT.
4:00:58PM AND BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY I SHOWED YOU, WHICH
4:01:02PM IS THE PRIMARY USE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, SHOTGUN,
4:01:07PM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, NOT COMPATIBLE IN CHARACTER AND SCALE
4:01:10PM AND THEREFORE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ENTITLED TO USE THE F.A.R.
4:01:14PM SHOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO USE THE STRAIGHT DENSITY WHICH
4:01:16PM WOULD BE 30 UNITS PER ACRE UNDER CC 35 WHICH WOULD RESULT IN
4:01:20PM THIS PROJECT HAVING A MAXIMUM OF 25 UNITS.
4:01:23PM AND THEN BACK TO THE DE 1, HERE AGAIN, IT'S NOT LEGITIMATE
4:01:32PM -- AND THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED WAS INACCURATE OR DETERMINED
4:01:35PM TO BE INACCURATE LATER ON UNDER FLORIDA LAW, IT IS A
4:01:38PM NULLITY.
4:01:38PM IT'S VOID.
4:01:39PM THAT DOESN'T EXIST NOW.
4:01:41PM EVEN AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT
4:01:44PM HASN'T BEEN RECORDED, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL DE-1.
4:01:47PM SO WE JUST CAN'T PUSH THAT OFF THE TABLE.
4:01:50PM HEY, AT THE TIME OF THE HEARING, ERIC COTTON SAID THIS.
4:01:53PM IT REALLY DIDN'T EVEN EXIST AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
4:01:55PM THERE WAS A LETTER OUT THERE FROM ERIC COTTON, BUT THESE
4:01:59PM GUYS NEVER FULFILLED THE CONDITIONS TO QUALIFY FOR THE DE 1.
4:02:04PM SO NO ONE EVER DETERMINED COMPATIBILITY BASED ON F.A.R.
4:02:17PM THERE'S INSUFFICIENT PARKING.
4:02:19PM IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER.
4:02:21PM ONCE THIS LOT IS NOT AVAILABLE, SURE, THESE GUYS MIGHT BE
4:02:26PM PAYING RENT ON IT AND THAT IS JUST THE DEAL BECAUSE THEY
4:02:29PM HAVEN'T TOLD THEM THEY CAN'T USE IT ANYMORE.
4:02:31PM ONCE THIS LOT IS RENDERED INACCESSIBLE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
4:02:34PM A THIRD OF THEIR PARKING SCRAMBLING TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO
4:02:38PM PARK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:02:40PM WHERE PARKING IS ALREADY NOT AVAILABLE IN THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY
4:02:43PM AND ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CITY PERMIT TO DO THAT.
4:02:45PM ALL IN ALL, BASED ON THESE DISCREPANCIES IN TERMS OF LACK OF
4:02:49PM COMPATIBILITY, CHARACTER, IT'S OUT OF SCALE, TAKES UP AN
4:02:53PM ENTIRE CITY BLOCK AND JUST DWARFS EVERYTHING AROUND IT, THIS
4:02:56PM IS A REAL FRAGILE ECOSYSTEM IN SOUTHEAST YBOR HERE.
4:03:01PM THIS IS LIKE PURE YBOR WITH SHOTGUN HOUSES.
4:03:04PM SURE THERE ARE SOME SCATTERED CIGAR FACTORIES HERE AND
4:03:06PM THERE.
4:03:06PM BUT FUNDAMENTALLY YOU HAVE ONE- OR TWO-STORY HOMES HERE.
4:03:09PM NOW WE'RE TAKING UP AN ENTIRE BLOCK HERE WITH THIS LARGE
4:03:13PM RECTANGLE THAT THEY DRESSED UP A LITTLE BIT AND SAYING THAT
4:03:17PM IT MEETS THE BARRIO STANDARDS.
4:03:18PM I'LL TELL YOU, BEING AT THE BARRIO MEETING, WHEN I BROUGHT
4:03:21PM UP PARKING TO THEM AND I GOT BRUSHED OFF BY THE CITY
4:03:24PM ATTORNEY, HEY, BENTLEY IS REALLY TRYING TO APPEAL A DE 1.
4:03:29PM I SAID, NO, THERE ARE PARKING CONCERNS, HERE IS WHY.
4:03:31PM THE BARRIO WAS FRUSTRATED THAT THEY COULDN'T TALK ABOUT
4:03:34PM PARKING.
4:03:34PM I'LL TELL YOU THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPT HERE.
4:03:38PM VERY CONCERNED.
4:03:38PM THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
4:03:41PM APPRECIATE IT.
4:03:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
4:03:43PM NEXT UP, MR. SHIMBERG, GO AHEAD.
4:03:46PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:03:47PM >> HI.
4:03:47PM AGAIN, JIM SHIMBERG.
4:03:49PM ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS.
4:03:51PM MY CLIENTS ARE VERY REPUTABLE DEVELOPER FROM OUT OF TOWN.
4:03:57PM THEY CAME TO TAMPA.
4:03:59PM THEY BOUGHT A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN YBOR.
4:04:02PM HIRED ONE OF THE MOST EXPERIENCED ARCHITECTS IN YBOR.
4:04:05PM THEY FOLLOWED EVERY STANDARD IN YOUR CODE.
4:04:07PM THEY WENT THROUGH A TWO-YEAR PROCESS.
4:04:12PM FOR SOME REASON A LOT OF THE LANDOWNERS AROUND THERE ALSO
4:04:15PM BIG DEVELOPERS DON'T WANT THEIR PROJECT TO HAPPEN AND I'M
4:04:18PM NOT SURE REALLY WHY.
4:04:19PM OUR GUYS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.
4:04:22PM THEY CAME IN HERE WITH NO VARIANCES.
4:04:24PM MR. BENTLEY IS THROWING OUT THINGS THAT HE HAS NOT PROVEN.
4:04:28PM I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
4:04:30PM I'M JUST SAYING WE DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.
4:04:32PM WE WENT TO THE BARRIO WHICH IS THE GROUP THAT YOU GUYS
4:04:35PM DESIGNATED TO LOOK AT THESE KIND OF ISSUES AND CONSIDER MASS
4:04:37PM AND SCALE AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
4:04:40PM WE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE HEARING WITH A LONG EXTENSIVE
4:04:44PM ARCHITECTURAL PRESENTATION.
4:04:44PM WE LISTENED TO ALL THE SAME NEIGHBORS AND MR. CAPITANO WAS
4:04:48PM NOT THERE, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS THERE AND SPOKE.
4:04:51PM HEARD ALL THE SAME ISSUES.
4:04:52PM VOTED 4-0 TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
4:04:54PM MY CLIENTS JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
4:04:57PM PROJECT.
4:04:58PM I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS APPEAL AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE
4:05:02PM FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
4:05:02PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
4:05:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:05:04PM ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE?
4:05:10PM ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
4:05:11PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
4:05:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. CROSBY COLLIER.
4:05:23PM OF QUESTION.
4:05:26PM THERE WAS AN ALLEGATION BY I GUESS AN APPLICANT APPEALING
4:05:32PM THIS TODAY ABOUT THE PROVISION IN THAT CONTRACT FOR PARKING,
4:05:35PM SAYING THAT IT WAS NONENFORCEABLE, THAT IT WAS FLUFF.
4:05:38PM CAN YOU GIVE YOUR LEGAL OPINION ON THAT CLAUSE?
4:05:42PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I CAN DO BETTER.
4:05:46PM I CAN ASK MS. SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ TO RESPOND BECAUSE SHE
4:05:53PM DRAFTS THE AGREEMENTS, AND SHE IS HERE TO OFFER YOU THE
4:05:53PM INFORMATION THAT BACKS UP OURS.
4:05:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVEN BETTER.
4:05:55PM BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE.
4:05:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION,
4:06:00PM PLEASE?
4:06:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE WAS A CLAIM MADE BY THE APPLICANT
4:06:04PM AND THIS THAT THE PARKING PROVISION IN THIS AGREEMENT WAS
4:06:08PM NOT ENFORCEABLE.
4:06:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT TERMINATION
4:06:16PM OF --
4:06:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CORRECT.
4:06:18PM THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FIND PARKING.
4:06:21PM IF THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE LIONS CLUB WAS TO GO AWAY IN FIVE
4:06:24PM YEARS AND THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PARKING.
4:06:31PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THAT.
4:06:33PM WE HAVE NOT HAD AN EXPERIENCE WHERE SOMEBODY DID NOT HAVE
4:06:37PM SUFFICIENT PARKING OR IT WAS ALLEGED THAT THERE WAS
4:06:41PM INSUFFICIENT PARKING.
4:06:42PM THIS IS A FORM THAT I HELPED CREATE SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN
4:06:46PM ORDER TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE
4:06:49PM HEARD TODAY ABOUT OFF-SITE PARKING.
4:06:51PM WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T CONTROL ALL THE PROVISIONS IN A LEASE
4:06:56PM BETWEEN PRIVATE PARTIES.
4:06:59PM I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK AS MS. CROSBY COLLIER HAS TOLD YOU,
4:07:03PM THIS IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT THE BLC CONSIDERED, WHETHER
4:07:07PM OR NOT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT PARKING.
4:07:09PM AND IT WAS BASED ON A DETERMINATION FROM THE ZONING
4:07:11PM ADMINISTRATOR THAT IN THIS CASE THERE WAS SUFFICIENT
4:07:14PM PARKING.
4:07:15PM I DON'T KNOW --
4:07:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S COMMON THAT WE DO USE THESE
4:07:19PM AGREEMENTS FOR LIKE LIQUOR LICENSE OR ANYTHING ELSE, AN
4:07:22PM ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS OFF-SITE PARKING SO WE APPROVE USES
4:07:25PM OF PROPERTY BASED ON OFF-SITE PARKING BASED ON THESE TYPE OF
4:07:28PM AGREEMENTS ALL THE TIME, DON'T WE?
4:07:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT.
4:07:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
4:07:33PM THE ASSUMPTION OR THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED WAS LIKE THIS WAS
4:07:37PM OUT OF BOUNDS.
4:07:39PM I'M SAYING THIS IS VERY COMMON.
4:07:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: TYPICALLY IF SOMEBODY, AS I THINK THE
4:07:43PM PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER'S COUNSEL HAS TOLD YOU, YOU CAN
4:07:46PM EITHER REQUEST A WAIVER FROM THE PARKING, WHICH COUNCIL ALSO
4:07:49PM CONSIDERS, OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REQUEST A WAIVER, YOU CAN
4:07:52PM TRY TO GET OFF-SITE PARKING THROUGH ONE OF THESE TYPES OF
4:07:56PM AGREEMENTS AND THAT IS ALLOWABLE UNDER OUR CODE.
4:07:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
4:07:59PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
4:07:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION
4:08:02PM TO CLOSE?
4:08:02PM IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
4:08:04PM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
4:08:06PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:08:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:08:08PM AYE.
4:08:09PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
4:08:14PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
4:08:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THIS ISN'T EVIDENCE THAT SOMETIMES THE
4:08:20PM BEST INTENTIONS GO -- I DON'T KNOW.
4:08:24PM IT'S LIKE THIS IS A WORST-CASE SCENARIO OF HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT
4:08:29PM IS TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT WE PUT UP
4:08:34PM SO MANY OBSTACLES -- THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE GOOD THINGS.
4:08:38PM I'VE HEARD THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, RUNNING FOR OFFICE,
4:08:42PM ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED IT IS TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
4:08:45PM I'LL TELL YOU AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS GONE THROUGH THE ARC
4:08:48PM PROCESS -- RON REMEMBERS -- IT WAS A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE OF
4:08:53PM TRYING TO JUMP THROUGH THESE HOOPS.
4:08:55PM SO WE HAVE THESE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN AND TRYING TO
4:08:58PM BUILD A PROJECT THAT HAVE CLEARLY GONE THROUGH, I MEAN,
4:09:02PM YEARS NOW OF WORK AND NOW WE HAVE STAFF WHICH, BY THE WAY,
4:09:06PM IS PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND
4:09:12PM LEGAL EXPERTS.
4:09:13PM OBVIOUSLY THE ARCHITECTS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL EXPERTS FROM
4:09:16PM THE BARRIO AND EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
4:09:22PM WE GET THIS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE
4:09:25PM MUCH SMARTER AND MUCH MORE EXPERIENCED THAN US THAT ARE
4:09:28PM LOOKING AT THIS.
4:09:31PM I JUST DON'T GET IT.
4:09:33PM I LOOKED AT THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE.
4:09:35PM WE'RE FAMOUS FOR OUR CIGAR FACTORIES AND THESE BUILDINGS AND
4:09:39PM TRANSITION, YOU'VE GOT REALLY REPLACING SOME OF THESE
4:09:45PM BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST TERRIBLE BETWEEN THE CROSSTOWN,
4:09:49PM ADAMO DRIVE, TIN ROOF OLD WAREHOUSES THAT DON'T REALLY
4:09:53PM CONTRIBUTE.
4:09:54PM WE'RE REALLY BEGGING PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE
4:09:57PM WE WANT LESS BARS AND MORE PEOPLE, RIGHT?
4:09:59PM SO WE WANT HOUSING.
4:10:01PM WE WANT TO CREATE -- YOU GOT TO CREATE HOUSING, DO IT
4:10:04PM SOMEWHERE, IF WE KEEP PUTTING UP OBSTACLES NOBODY WILL COME
4:10:08PM HERE AND BUILD HOUSES.
4:10:09PM NOBODY WILL COME HERE AND BUILD BUILDINGS IF WE MAKE IT THIS
4:10:13PM DIFFICULT TO DO.
4:10:14PM I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT, THOSE BUILDING THIS, JUMPED THROUGH
4:10:21PM ALL THE HOOPS.
4:10:22PM OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE ALREADY WALKED AWAY AND SAY THIS
4:10:26PM BURDEN IS TOO MUCH TO TRY TO MEET.
4:10:28PM I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHAT THEY PRESENTED IS WITHIN SCALE, IT'S
4:10:34PM IN A TRANSITIONAL AREA.
4:10:36PM THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WERE MADE AND ADJUSTMENTS MADE WERE
4:10:40PM GREAT.
4:10:41PM HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION
4:10:44PM THAT PEOPLE WON'T NEED THE PARKING.
4:10:46PM UNTIL THAT TIME, THEY HAVE ACCOMMODATED THAT.
4:10:48PM WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING, SO THAT'S WHY I'M OKAY WITH
4:10:53PM SMALLER HOUSES, SMALLER UNITS DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT PROVIDES
4:10:56PM HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING MAYBE IN YBOR CITY AND
4:10:59PM SOME OF THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WORKING DOWN THERE.
4:11:01PM IT'S A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT AND I THINK IT WILL CONTRIBUTE
4:11:05PM TO THE CHARACTER OF YBOR CITY.
4:11:07PM THANK YOU.
4:11:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND THEN MIRANDA.
4:11:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU
4:11:13PM SAID WHEN REALLY LOOKING AT IT, THE SCALE, IT'S A LITTLE
4:11:17PM TALLER THAN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET BUT IT FITS INTO
4:11:21PM THE CIGAR FACTORY ETHOS.
4:11:26PM HONESTLY, THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE IN
4:11:28PM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, WHERE IN THIS AREA WE WANT TO SEE
4:11:32PM STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS AND SMALLER UNITS BECAUSE THESE ARE
4:11:36PM THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE MOVING
4:11:38PM INTO THIS AREA, I MEAN, EVENTUALLY MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE
4:11:42PM FAMILIES, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YBOR IS RIGHT NOW.
4:11:45PM I THINK THIS IS A WORTHY PROJECT.
4:11:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:11:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SPEAK, I WAS BORN AND
4:11:56PM RAISED IN YBOR CITY.
4:11:59PM I STILL THINK LIKE I'M IN YBOR CITY.
4:12:01PM I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID BY EVERYONE.
4:12:05PM BUT LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON SOME THINGS.
4:12:09PM WHY WERE THE CIGAR FACTORIES BUILT THAT BIG?
4:12:12PM YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF WORKERS.
4:12:17PM AND THEY HAD A HIGH DEMAND FOR THE PROJECT.
4:12:20PM WHY IS IT, AND THEY DIDN'T NEED A CAR.
4:12:23PM HAD A STREETCAR, EVERYBODY LIVES IN WEST TAMPA, YBOR CITY OR
4:12:28PM IN THE HEIGHTS RIGHT AROUND THE BAYSHORE, THERE WAS A
4:12:33PM STREETCAR EVERYWHERE.
4:12:34PM ALL THE WAY TO LINEBAUGH AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
4:12:36PM SO THEY DIDN'T NEED A CAR.
4:12:40PM NOW YOU NEED A CAR.
4:12:43PM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE THE DENSITY, DENSITY IS
4:12:48PM FOR TWO REASONS ON THAT.
4:12:49PM YOU HAD MORE WORKERS THAN YOU HAD SUPPLY.
4:12:54PM AT ONE TIME, TAMPA WAS PRODUCING MORE CIGARS THAN THE WHOLE
4:12:58PM COUNTRY OF CUBA, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
4:13:00PM SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THAT, CORRAL WODISKA,
4:13:08PM THAT WAS THE ONE SHOWN.
4:13:09PM YOU HAD ONE WEST TAMPA, CHESTNUT AND ARMENIA.
4:13:14PM YOU HAD MANY OF THEM.
4:13:18PM ALSO SOMETHING CALLED THE BUCKEYE.
4:13:22PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HEARD OF A BUCKEYE.
4:13:24PM BUCKEYE IS ANY MORE THAN WHAT?
4:13:26PM A LITTLE GARAGE THAT YOU HAD NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE AND YOU MADE
4:13:29PM YOUR OWN CIGARS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES AND YOU SOLD
4:13:33PM THEM.
4:13:34PM ALL THAT I REMEMBER.
4:13:35PM I CAN ALSO SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE,
4:13:40PM I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
4:13:43PM AND I REMEMBER SOMETHING JUST LIKE THIS IN AN AREA SOUTHEAST
4:13:47PM OF US THAT WE DID THAT.
4:13:48PM IT BIT ME ALL OVER YOU KNOW WHERE.
4:13:52PM BECAUSE WHAT WAS SAID HERE ABOUT THOSE CONTRACTS IS A FACT.
4:13:56PM YEAH, HAVE A LEASE, COULD PUT A BAR AND RESTAURANT HERE.
4:14:00PM THE PROBLEM IS, THEY HAD A LEASE FOR FIVE YEARS AND IN THREE
4:14:04PM MONTHS, THE GUY WANTED TO SELL IT AND YOU HAD TO BREAK THE
4:14:06PM LEASE.
4:14:07PM SO I'VE DONE THAT AND I'VE BEEN THERE.
4:14:09PM AND I'M NOT DISPUTING WHAT MY GOOD PEOPLE IN THE BARRIO
4:14:13PM LATINO SAID, MR. VILA, MR. FERNANDEZ, THEY ARE VERY
4:14:16PM HONORABLE AND AT THAT TIME THEY WERE RIGHT.
4:14:18PM BUT I'M NOT AT THAT TIME.
4:14:20PM THERE IS NO PARKING TO BE HAD WITHIN REASON OF TAMPA, THE
4:14:28PM CITY, DOWNTOWN.
4:14:29PM PEOPLE WORK DOWNTOWN SOMETIMES PARK FIVE, SIX, SEVEN BLOCKS
4:14:32PM AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WE
4:14:34PM HAVE HERE.
4:14:35PM YOU GO TO YBOR CITY ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT, AND
4:14:41PM YOU TRY TO FIND PARKING.
4:14:43PM IN FACT, THE CITY HAS PLANNED TO PUT ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE
4:14:48PM SOMEWHERE IN THE EASTERN PART AROUND 22nd STREET.
4:14:51PM THAT WAS BACK WHEN GRECO WAS MAYOR AFTER WE BUILT THE
4:14:55PM NORIEGA PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO THE CUBAN CLUB.
4:15:00PM ALL THAT WAS PLANNED.
4:15:03PM WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THE OTHER ONE, EVEN THOUGH
4:15:06PM FOR A WHILE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN LIKELY HALF EMPTY OR
4:15:09PM HALF FULL.
4:15:10PM THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE.
4:15:12PM THESE THINGS I'VE LIVED.
4:15:15PM IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
4:15:17PM IT HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED.
4:15:20PM HOWEVER, THERE'S ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME, AND THAT'S
4:15:23PM PARKING.
4:15:23PM YOU HEARD ME SAY ABOUT DOWNTOWN ITSELF, I VOTED AGAINST THE
4:15:27PM ONE ON NORTH BOULEVARD AND CLEVELAND BECAUSE THE F.A.R.
4:15:32PM WANTED .02 AND IT CAME WITH .04 AND UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TOLD
4:15:36PM THEM, DON'T COME TO MY PARKING SPOT BECAUSE I'LL HAUL THE
4:15:40PM CARS OFF.
4:15:41PM THAT WAS DONE IN THIS CHAMBER ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
4:15:44PM IT'S NOT ANTI- OR FOR ANYTHING, BUT WHAT I LEARNED HERE IS
4:15:51PM BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE LIABLE TO GET IT.
4:15:54PM IT'S A SITUATION THAT IT'S A GOOD THING, BAD THING, IT'S A
4:16:01PM WONDERFUL THING, BUT THE PARKING GOT ME RIGHT IN THE HEART.
4:16:05PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING WHEN YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT BIG.
4:16:09PM YOU DON'T HAVE ANY -- THE STREETCAR GOES THERE ALL RIGHT BUT
4:16:12PM IT GOES JUST FROM DOWNTOWN THERE.
4:16:15PM DOESN'T SPREAD OUT AND BRING PEOPLE IN.
4:16:17PM THAT COST 11 MILLION TO WAY BACK IN THE GRECO
4:16:21PM ADMINISTRATION.
4:16:21PM NOW IT COSTS YOU 11 MILLION TO GO TWO INCHES.
4:16:24PM LET'S FACE IT.
4:16:25PM THAT'S A FACT.
4:16:26PM I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ABOUT SAYING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID
4:16:30PM THAT THEY ARE FOR IT.
4:16:31PM I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.
4:16:34PM I'VE LIVED IT.
4:16:35PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
4:16:36PM PEOPLE WALK TO WORK AND THEY LIVE RIGHT CLOSE TO THE
4:16:40PM FACTORY.
4:16:40PM WALK HOME, HAVE LUNCH AND GO BACK TO THE FACTORY.
4:16:43PM I CAN NAME YOU MANY PROMINENT PEOPLE, NOT MYSELF, OF COURSE.
4:16:46PM OTHERS THAT LIVED THERE THAT DID THAT, THEIR PARENTS DID
4:16:49PM THAT FOR A LIVING.
4:16:50PM I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
4:16:52PM IT WAS A WONDERFUL PLACE, STILL IS.
4:16:54PM TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
4:16:55PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:16:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:17:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: I GOT DINGED ALREADY.
4:17:04PM [ LAUGHTER ]
4:17:04PM AS THE TESTIMONY SAID, YBOR IS A SENSITIVE PLACE IN ITS
4:17:18PM DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S DEVELOPING DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT
4:17:22PM PARTS, AND THE REASON WHY THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OWNERS
4:17:26PM COMING FORWARD IS BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR
4:17:32PM AREA, THE SIZE OF THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
4:17:36PM DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE.
4:17:37PM IF THERE WERE STILL 200 CIGAR FACTORIES AND THEY WERE LINED
4:17:42PM UP AND THIS WAS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.
4:17:45PM BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THAT AREA HAS BEEN DIFFERENT
4:17:49PM AS THEY SHOWED IN THE PHOTOS.
4:17:52PM I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION.
4:17:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
4:17:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABOUT THE -- I CAUTION BECAUSE WE HEARD
4:18:01PM TESTIMONY THAT THE PARKING, WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS PUT IN
4:18:04PM BECAUSE WE HAVE LAWS HERE TO DEAL WITH, MAKING SURE WE
4:18:08PM DEFEND OUR POSITION THAT THE PARKING WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH,
4:18:13PM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARKING WAS IN ACCORDANCE
4:18:14PM WITH THE RULES SO THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE.
4:18:17PM THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
4:18:19PM NO MORE TESTIMONY.
4:18:20PM UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
4:18:26PM >> NO.
4:18:26PM >> NO.
4:18:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THE OTHER THING IS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
4:18:32PM I THINK IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE
4:18:35PM IT WASN'T IN SCOPE AND SCALE BECAUSE THE CIGAR FACTORIES ARE
4:18:38PM SCATTERED ALL THE WAY AROUND, ESPECIALLY ON THAT SECTION OF
4:18:42PM THE SOUTHERN PART OF YBOR CITY AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT
4:18:47PM APPROVED BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL WAS ALSO IN THE SCOPE AND
4:18:51PM SCALE.
4:18:51PM THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IN THE SOUTH PARTS OF YBOR CITY
4:18:56PM ARE COMMERCIAL AND WAREHOUSE EVEN, AND NOT NECESSARILY
4:19:00PM SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:19:02PM PLUS, AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TO COME TO A TERM THAT HUNDREDS
4:19:09PM OF HOURS OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS LOOKED AT THIS.
4:19:12PM UNLESS YOU HAVE A LEGAL REASON TO OVERTURN THEIR DECISION, I
4:19:17PM JUST CAN'T SEE ANOTHER REASON.
4:19:19PM I MOVE TO AFFIRM THE BLC -- IT'S NOT OPINION.
4:19:21PM IT'S LEGAL.
4:19:22PM MOVE TO AFFIRM THE BLC DECISION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE
4:19:25PM OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION NUMBER BLC
4:19:28PM 22-185 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1715 EAST 4th AVENUE,
4:19:34PM 1411 NORTH 17th STREET AND 1701 EAST 4th AVENUE FOR THE
4:19:40PM CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FOUR-LEVEL APARTMENT COMPLEX OVER ONE
4:19:43PM LEVEL PARKING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THE NEW
4:19:46PM CONSTRUCTION AND THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH
4:19:48PM THE CITY CODE, THE YBOR CITY DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE
4:19:52PM SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
4:19:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
4:19:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
4:19:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
4:19:57PM THIS IS TO AFFIRM AND APPROVE AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL
4:20:00PM MEMBER HURTAK.
4:20:01PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:20:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S FUNNY, THERE ARE A LOT OF HEARINGS YOU
4:20:05PM COME IN AND THINK YOU'LL VOTE ONE WAY AND SOMETHING SMALL
4:20:08PM THAT GETS YOU THAT KIND OF GOES THE OTHER WAY.
4:20:10PM THIS IS ONE THAT I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR AS A
4:20:14PM PROJECT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN I
4:20:16PM THINK HAVE VERY WISELY STATED BENEFITS OF IT, I CONTINUE TO
4:20:20PM GO BACK TO THE PARKING ISSUE.
4:20:23PM THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME ON THIS.
4:20:25PM AS PRESENTED IT'S NOT SOMETHING I FEEL COMFORTABLE RELYING
4:20:31PM ON.
4:20:32PM I ALMOST WISH AND I'M NOT MOTIONING FOR THIS, BUT I ALMOST
4:20:35PM WISH THAT WE COULD -- AGAIN, NOT MOTIONING FOR THIS BECAUSE
4:20:39PM IT IS ALMOST OBNOXIOUS, CONTINUE THIS TWO MONTHS SO THAT
4:20:42PM SOMETHING ELSE COULD BE DONE ON THE PARKING SO THIS PROJECT
4:20:46PM WOULDN'T BE LOST.
4:20:47PM THAT'S WHAT I WISH.
4:20:48PM THAT'S WHAT I KEEP GOING BACK TO IN MY HEAD.
4:20:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:20:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:20:53PM THE THING IS, THE WAY THIS SITS RIGHT NOW, THEY DO HAVE THE
4:21:01PM PARKING.
4:21:01PM LIKE, LEGALLY, THEY DO.
4:21:03PM WHAT COULD HAPPEN, WE DENY THIS BASED ON PARKING, THEY'LL
4:21:06PM COME BACK AND SUE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE PARKING.
4:21:10PM THAT'S THE ISSUE.
4:21:11PM THE ISSUE IS, ACCORDING TO THIS, AND OUR LAWYERS HAVE
4:21:17PM TESTIFIED.
4:21:18PM THE LAWYER WHO LITERALLY WRITES THESE FOR THE REST OF THE
4:21:23PM CITY HAS TESTIFIED THAT THIS PARKING REQUIREMENT IS SIMILAR
4:21:27PM TO THE ONES WE DO ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT IS LEGAL.
4:21:32PM UNLESS WE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY TO APPROVE PARKING, I
4:21:35PM DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY, UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING THE
4:21:39PM ONLY PARKING AVAILABLE MUST BE ON-SITE.
4:21:41PM AND THAT'S REALLY HARD IN A CITY WHERE YOU HAVE LESS THAN 4%
4:21:46PM OF AVAILABLE LAND.
4:21:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
4:21:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:21:50PM I THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
4:21:51PM I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS RIGHT HERE.
4:21:56PM PARKING LEASE TO ME IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MARRIAGE.
4:21:59PM EVEN IN A MARRIAGE YOU HAVE A DIVORCE.
4:22:02PM IF YOU HAVE A LEASE, IT HAS A TERMINATION CLAUSE, I THINK
4:22:07PM YOU'LL GET DIVORCED THANK YOU.
4:22:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
4:22:10PM MR. SHELBY, YES, SIR.
4:22:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
4:22:14PM I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL AGAIN, THIS IS A DE NOVO
4:22:18PM HEARING.
4:22:18PM AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ALL THE TESTIMONY AND
4:22:21PM WEIGH ALL THE TESTIMONY.
4:22:23PM I DO HAVE THAT PARTICULAR CODE WITH REGARD TO PARKING THAT'S
4:22:25PM BEEN RAISED, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE HEARING REOPENED
4:22:29PM UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO HEAR WHAT THE SECTION SAYS.
4:22:32PM OTHER THAN THAT --
4:22:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING
4:22:35PM BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT IT SAYS.
4:22:37PM AT LEAST WE'RE DEALING WITH LEGAL FACTS.
4:22:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WERE NOT PROVIDED WITH THAT SECTION IN
4:22:43PM WHAT YOU WERE PROVIDED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
4:22:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE A GOOD DETERMINATION, WE NEED TO
4:22:49PM KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW THE VULNERABILITIES OF THE CITY
4:22:53PM AND WHETHER SOMEBODY COULD OVERTURN OUR DECISION.
4:22:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING
4:22:57PM FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
4:22:59PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:23:00PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:23:01PM AYE.
4:23:01PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:23:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECTION THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO, AS A
4:23:05PM MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS CITED IT SPECIFICALLY.
4:23:09PM SECTION 27-283.6, SUB B.
4:23:19PM ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY C, B IN PAREN AND THEN C.
4:23:24PM WAS THAT PROVIDED TO COUNCIL, COUNSELOR?
4:23:31PM JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
4:23:40PM WAS THAT PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THE PACKET?
4:23:43PM >> 27-283.6 I BELIEVE YOUR PETITIONER PROVIDED IT.
4:23:47PM I DID NOT PROVIDE IT.
4:23:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
4:23:51PM LET ME READ IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD.
4:23:53PM IT SAYS THE CONTINUED AVAILABILITY OF OFF-SITE PARKING
4:23:56PM SPACES NECESSARY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ARTICLE
4:24:00PM SHALL BE ENSURED BY A LONG-TERM LEASE OR OTHER METHOD
4:24:04PM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SHALL BE FILED
4:24:08PM WITH ZONING ADMINISTRATORS AND RECORDED BY THE APPLICANT IN
4:24:12PM THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:24:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:24:15PM MOTION TO CLOSE.
4:24:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT SATISFACTORY?
4:24:17PM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND FROM
4:24:21PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:24:21PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:24:22PM AYE.
4:24:23PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE READ YOUR MOTION TO
4:24:28PM APPROVE AND AFFIRM.
4:24:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH.
4:24:31PM IT STILL STANDS.
4:24:32PM AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE LEGAL DEFENSE, THAT'S THE LEGAL
4:24:35PM DOCUMENT.
4:24:36PM I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT PARKING BUT THIS IS WHAT THE LEGAL
4:24:39PM STANDARD IS.
4:24:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THE SECOND STILL THERE?
4:24:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
4:24:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
4:24:45PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:24:46PM THIS IS TO APPROVE AND AFFIRM.
4:24:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
4:24:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:24:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
4:24:54PM >> HENDERSON?
4:24:54PM VIERA?
4:24:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
4:24:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
4:24:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
4:25:00PM >> THE MOTIONED FAILED WITH CARLSON, VIERA, MIRANDA, AND
4:25:04PM MANISCALCO VOTING NO AND HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
4:25:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WISHES TO MAKE THE MOTION TO DENY?
4:25:13PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
4:25:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE BLC DECISION AND
4:25:19PM HEREBY DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTED ON
4:25:22PM THE APPLICANT ON BLC 22-185 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1715
4:25:27PM EAST 4th AVENUE, 1411 EAST 17th AVENUE AND 1701 EAST
4:25:34PM 4th AVENUE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR LEVEL APARTMENT
4:25:37PM COMPLEX, ONE LEVEL PARKING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THE
4:25:42PM NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT CONSISTENT
4:25:45PM WITH THE CITY CODE, YBOR CITY DESIGN GUIDELINES, SECRETARY
4:25:48PM OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE REASONS FOLLOWING THAT IT
4:25:51PM DOESN'T HAVE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE SECTION
4:25:57PM -- IT HAS A LEASE THAT HAS A TERMINATION CLAUSE WITHIN THE
4:26:02PM LEASE.
4:26:02PM WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS.
4:26:05PM OR THE SEVEN YEARS, WHATEVER IT WAS, DOESN'T MEET THE
4:26:09PM STANDARDS.
4:26:10PM HIGHER, MUCH MORE BULKIER THAN BEFORE.
4:26:15PM TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN ALL THOSE CIGAR FACTORIES
4:26:18PM SHOWN TO US, THEY WERE THERE FOR A REASON.
4:26:21PM AND THE REASON WAS THAT PEOPLE LIVED THERE.
4:26:23PM THEY WALKED TO WORK.
4:26:24PM THINGS CHANGE IN LIFE.
4:26:26PM ONCE I HAD CURLS.
4:26:28PM I DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
4:26:30PM BUT IT IS THE SAME THING.
4:26:32PM YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS MOVE AND CHANGE FOR A
4:26:34PM REASON.
4:26:35PM SOMETIMES FOR THE BETTER AND SOMETIMES FOR NOT.
4:26:38PM THANK YOU.
4:26:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
4:26:39PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:26:42PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:26:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:26:44PM I WANT TO CITE SECTION 27-283.6, SUBSECTION B IN MY REFUSAL.
4:26:52PM IN LIEU OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ON REQUIRED ON-SITE PARKING
4:26:55PM SPACES, ALL OR ANY PORTION OF THE OFF-STREET PARKING
4:26:59PM REQUIRED IN THIS ARTICLE MAY BE PROVIDED AS FOLLOWS.
4:27:03PM AND THEY HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT REASONS.
4:27:05PM THIS IS IN OUR CITY CODE.
4:27:07PM THIS IS WHAT THESE DEVELOPERS DID.
4:27:09PM IT IS LEGAL.
4:27:11PM AND IN DENYING IT, THAT'S NOT LEGAL.
4:27:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
4:27:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
4:27:17PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:27:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:27:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:27:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:27:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
4:27:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN ACCORDANCE WITH 27-283.6, I DON'T
4:27:32PM BELIEVE THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CODE, SO NO.
4:27:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
4:27:37PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CLENDENIN VOTING
4:27:39PM NO AND HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
4:27:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:27:44PM NEXT IS ITEM 55.
4:27:54PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:27:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE'RE GETTING TOWARD THE END OF THE DAY.
4:27:57PM ONE OF THE ISSUES -- YEAH, THAT IS THE ONE.
4:28:05PM I KNOW FOLKS ARE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
4:28:11PM ALSO IN TALKING WITH ONE OF THE INTERESTED PARTIES, I KNOW
4:28:14PM NEW INFORMATION HAS COME IN TODAY.
4:28:16PM I WOULD SUGGEST WE CONTINUE THIS TO NOVEMBER 7.
4:28:21PM NUMBER 55.
4:28:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND THAT.
4:28:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW THAT WE HAVE A SECOND.
4:28:28PM YES, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:28:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I COMPLETELY AGREE.
4:28:33PM WE HAD INFORMATION TODAY THAT ALLOWED -- OR SHARED THAT
4:28:38PM MIAMI-DADE CRB IS STILL WORKING, AND WE WERE ABLE TO AFFIRM
4:28:45PM THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE CASE.
4:28:47PM UNTIL WE KNOW MORE, IF WE COULD GET STAFF -- I WAS GOING TO
4:28:52PM DO SEPTEMBER 19 TO HAVE A STAFF REPORT EXPLAIN WHAT
4:28:58PM MIAMI-DADE IS DOING.
4:28:59PM CAN I ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION?
4:29:00PM AND THE ONLY REASON I SAID SEPTEMBER 19, IT IS FIRST
4:29:04PM AVAILABLE, AND I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR WORK
4:29:07PM UNTIL THEN.
4:29:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: USUALLY YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STOPS US FROM
4:29:12PM PUTTING EXTRA THINGS ON THE LIST.
4:29:13PM I PICKED NOVEMBER 7 BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST OPEN ONE.
4:29:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONLY THREE STAFF REPORTS ON SEPTEMBER 19.
4:29:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO GIVES US MORE TIME TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT
4:29:22PM THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.
4:29:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL TAKE NOVEMBER 7 AS LONG AS THE CRB IS
4:29:28PM ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO MEET UNTIL THEN.
4:29:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND WE HAVE
4:29:34PM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
4:29:36PM THEN MR. SHELBY.
4:29:37PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CITY ATTORNEY.
4:29:39PM I WANTED TO OFFER, I DID CALL THE DIRECTOR OF THE MIAMI-DADE
4:29:44PM CIVIL INVESTIGATION PANEL AFTER I HEARD MR. SHAW'S REMARKS.
4:29:48PM IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE TOLD ME TODAY.
4:29:51PM IF NOT, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER DATE.
4:29:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD IF COUNCIL
4:29:58PM WANTS TO HEAR THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND MS. ZELMAN IS
4:30:01PM AVAILABLE.
4:30:02PM REMINDER COUNCIL, MY RECOLLECTION, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT
4:30:04PM OF ME, COUNCIL DID BY MOTION AND VOTE, VOTE TO SUSPEND THE
4:30:08PM CRB.
4:30:11PM EVEN IF THIS GETS CONTINUED, I BELIEVE BARRING ANY CHANGES
4:30:14PM TO THAT PREVIOUS MOTION, IT WILL NOT CONTINUE BECAUSE IT HAS
4:30:18PM BEEN SUSPENDED.
4:30:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT'S CORRECT.
4:30:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVEN'T SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER
4:30:27PM DISCUSSION.
4:30:28PM WE DON'T DISSOLVE IT TODAY.
4:30:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ISSUE IS, WE WERE GIVEN INCORRECT
4:30:34PM INFORMATION.
4:30:34PM WE WERE TOLD BY A LAWYER FOR THE CITY THAT MIAMI-DADE HAD
4:30:38PM CLOSED.
4:30:38PM WE WERE TOLD THAT VERY DAY.
4:30:41PM WE ASKED.
4:30:42PM I BELIEVE MR. SCHMID TOLD US THAT MIAMI HAD CLOSED THEIRS.
4:30:47PM SO WE WERE WORKING ON INCORRECT INFORMATION.
4:30:50PM SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT ONLY MOVE THIS MOTION, BUT I
4:30:55PM THINK THE NEXT ONE SHOULD BE THAT WE REINSTATE THE CRB.
4:31:00PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I JUST EXPLAIN WHAT I WAS TOLD BY --
4:31:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SPOKE TO MR. SHAW, THE GUY IN MIAMI CALLED
4:31:07PM MR. SHAW, MR. SHAW CALLED ME AFTER THAT.
4:31:10PM I SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THIS LONG CONVERSATION AND LET
4:31:13PM MS. ZELMAN AND EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS MORE AND HAVE A LONGER
4:31:16PM CONVERSATION ON NOVEMBER 7, WHATEVER DATE YOU ALL PICK.
4:31:19PM BUT THIS COULD EASILY BE A REALLY LONG CONVERSATION TODAY IF
4:31:23PM WE OPEN IT UP RIGHT NOW.
4:31:24PM I APOLOGIZE, I KNOW YOU HAVE COME READY TO SPEAK.
4:31:28PM I KNOW MR. SHAW HAS BEEN SITTING HERE ALL DAY AND MAYBE
4:31:31PM OTHERS.
4:31:32PM JUST WITH THIS INFORMATION, I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US TO
4:31:34PM GET BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY.
4:31:35PM LOOK AT THE INFORMATION.
4:31:36PM LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING AND COME BACK IN A MONTH
4:31:39PM OR SO.
4:31:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. ZELMAN.
4:31:41PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
4:31:43PM I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WORDS EITHER MIKE
4:31:46PM SCHMID OR I USED, BUT IT IS TRUE THAT MIAMI-DADE COUNTY
4:31:51PM DISSOLVED ITS PANEL.
4:31:53PM THE CITY OF MIAMI CIVILIAN INVESTIGATION PANEL, WHICH IS THE
4:31:58PM MORE WELL-KNOWN ONE THAT WAS FORMED BY CHARTER, I DID SPEAK
4:32:01PM WITH THEIR DIRECTOR TODAY, AND IT IS -- MR. SHAW IS CORRECT
4:32:06PM THAT THEY HAVE NOT DISSOLVED THEIR PANEL.
4:32:11PM HOWEVER, THEY ARE LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT TO RECONSTITUTE IT
4:32:16PM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT CAN DO GOING FORWARD UNDER THIS -- THE
4:32:23PM NEW LEGISLATION.
4:32:24PM THEY AGREE THAT IT CAN'T DO THE OVERSIGHT THAT OUR BOARD WAS
4:32:29PM DOING BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR BOARD CAN
4:32:34PM CONTINUE TO DO.
4:32:38PM WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING WITH WORDS HERE, BUT IT'S ACCURATE
4:32:44PM THAT THEY DID NOT -- THAT BOARD -- THE OTHER BOARD IN MIAMI
4:32:47PM DISSOLVED.
4:32:48PM THIS BOARD IN MIAMI, BECAUSE THERE IS A MIAMI-DADE ONE AND
4:32:51PM CITY OF MIAMI ONE.
4:32:52PM THE CITY OF MIAMI ONE WAS NOT DISSOLVED.
4:32:55PM IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ACTING THOUGH BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO
4:32:59PM RECONSTITUTE OR I FORGET THE WORD HE USED, FIGURE OUT WHAT
4:33:04PM IT IS THEY CAN DO AND REVISE BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION, I'M
4:33:10PM NOT SURE BECAUSE THEIRS WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BY CHARTER.
4:33:14PM I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY ARE --
4:33:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THERE IS A
4:33:18PM THIRD WAY.
4:33:18PM THIS MOTION WAS TO SHUT IT DOWN.
4:33:21PM THIS INFORMATION THAT'S BEING CONFIRMED OPENS UP A THIRD WAY
4:33:27PM AND WE NEED MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, STUDY IT, TALK TO
4:33:30PM FOLKS.
4:33:31PM CAN WE JUST VOTE ON THE MOTION --
4:33:33PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I ADD ONE MORE THING?
4:33:35PM NOTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT MIAMI IS GOING FORWARD CHANGES
4:33:39PM OUR DETERMINATION THAT UNDER THE NEW LAW, OUR CRB CANNOT
4:33:47PM CONTINUE TO DO CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
4:33:52PM INVESTIGATIONS.
4:33:53PM THE ONLY THING THAT IT WAS DOING THAT IT COULD CONTINUE TO
4:33:57PM DO IS I BELIEVE PARTICIPATE IN THE HIRING DECISIONS, WHICH
4:34:03PM AS WE DISCUSSED, THEY REALLY -- IT TURNED OUT TO BE
4:34:07PM BURDENSOME FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD SINCE THOSE HIRING
4:34:10PM PANELS MEET ALL DAY.
4:34:13PM AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER -- THAT WAS IT.
4:34:15PM THE FACT THAT MIAMI MAY BE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP
4:34:22PM THEIR BOARD ALIVE SHOULD NOT BE DISPOSITIVE OR DETERMINATIVE
4:34:27PM HERE.
4:34:27PM JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
4:34:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACTUALLY COMPLETELY DISAGREE.
4:34:31PM I THINK THE FACT THAT OTHER CITIES ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR
4:34:34PM BOARDS IS WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY --
4:34:37PM WE'VE GOTTEN E-MAIL AFTER E-MAIL AFTER E-MAIL SAYING DO NOT
4:34:40PM SHUT DOWN THIS BOARD.
4:34:42PM FIND ANY WAY TO KEEP IT OPEN.
4:34:44PM AND I THINK THAT BY CONTINUING THIS TO NOVEMBER 7, WE CAN DO
4:34:48PM OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO DO THAT BECAUSE CLEARLY -- I MEAN, IN
4:34:52PM DRAFT LEGISLATION, THAT MEGAN NEW COMB WROTE, IT SAYS,
4:34:59PM QUOTE, OUR CURRENT VERSION OF THE CRB IS DELINEATED IN
4:35:02PM SECTION 18-8 IN THE CITY CODE ALLOWS FOR THE REVIEW OF
4:35:06PM CLOSED INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS AND TO MAKE WRITTEN
4:35:08PM RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
4:35:10PM NEITHER REVIEW OR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OVERSIGHT OR
4:35:18PM INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY.
4:35:20PM AGAIN, I KNOW YOU DISAGREE, BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE
4:35:23PM DEFINITION.
4:35:23PM AND YOU'RE NOT, AND OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT DON'T
4:35:27PM AGREE WITH THAT.
4:35:31PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MEGAN SAID THIS PRIOR TO BEING ADVISED --
4:35:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE WORDS REVIEW AND
4:35:39PM RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, I CAN REVIEW CLOSED CASES AND MAKE A
4:35:43PM RECOMMENDATION.
4:35:43PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANYONE CAN.
4:35:45PM JUST CAN'T CREATE --
4:35:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXCUSE ME.
4:35:47PM CAN I PLEASE FINISH?
4:35:50PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES.
4:35:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:35:51PM I'M NOT HERE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, JUST TO SHARE, NO, I
4:35:55PM COMPLETELY DISAGREE AND I BELIEVE WE BRING IT UP ON NOVEMBER
4:35:58PM 7 AND FIND A WAY TO KEEP IT BECAUSE THAT IS 100% WHAT THE
4:36:01PM COMMUNITY IS SAYING.
4:36:03PM WE'VE GOT NOTHING THAT SAYS WE WANT TO CLOSE THIS DOWN.
4:36:05PM WE'VE GOTTEN DOZENS OF E-MAILS ASKING FOR US TO FIND A WAY
4:36:09PM TO KEEP THIS OPEN.
4:36:11PM AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
4:36:13PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I HAVE NO OBJECTION IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE
4:36:16PM THIS, BUT WE CAN'T RECONSTITUTE THE BOARD IN THE MEANTIME.
4:36:19PM WE HAVE SUSPENDED THEM.
4:36:21PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S --
4:36:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:36:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:36:25PM IF PEOPLE NEED MORE TIME TO LOOK AT ISSUES, NEGATIVE PROBLEM
4:36:28PM WITH A REASONABLE CONTINUANCE ON THIS ISSUE.
4:36:31PM THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS ALL THIS BOARD UNDER THE
4:36:37PM STATUTE IS ALLOWED TO DO IS THE INTERVIEWS.
4:36:40PM AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD WANT TO STAY ON SUCH A BOARD.
4:36:44PM AGAIN, AS A COURTESY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK IF PEOPLE
4:36:47PM WANT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
4:36:50PM MY QUESTION IS TO MS. ZELMAN, IS THERE ANY SORT OF MANDATE
4:36:56PM FOR US TO ACT BY A CERTAIN DATE PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE.
4:37:01PM OKAY.
4:37:01PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO.
4:37:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'RE ACTING UNDER OPERATION OF THE STATUTE.
4:37:05PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
4:37:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
4:37:07PM MY INTENT IS TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA STATUTES.
4:37:10PM AS I MADE VERY CLEAR, IF I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE, I WOULD
4:37:13PM HAVE VOTED AGAINST THIS LAW.
4:37:14PM I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD LAW BUT I WANT TO COMPLY WITH
4:37:16PM FLORIDA STATUTES.
4:37:18PM AGAIN, IF PEOPLE NEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS MORE TO LOOK AT THIS
4:37:22PM ISSUE, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
4:37:24PM BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SPEAK TO FOLKS IN
4:37:28PM THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE E-MAILING US ON THIS WHO GO, DON'T
4:37:31PM SHUT DOWN THE CRB, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS PURSUANT
4:37:34PM TO A LEGAL MANDATE THAT WE HAVE FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT I
4:37:38PM OPPOSE, BUT THAT WE HAVE TO BE ACTING CONSISTENT WITH.
4:37:42PM SO I DON'T WANT TO, HOW SHALL I SAY, MAKE PROMISES TO FOLKS
4:37:48PM THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN FULFILL ON THE CRB.
4:37:50PM SO I THINK IF WE HAVE THAT INTENT WITH IT AND PEOPLE NEED
4:37:54PM MORE TIME AS A COURTESY, I'M FINE FOR A REASONABLE ALLOWANCE
4:37:57PM OF TIME.
4:37:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A REASONABLE
4:38:00PM ALLOWANCE OF TIME, YOU SAID A STAFF REPORT, CORRECT?
4:38:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, JUST TO CONTINUE ITEM 55 TO NOVEMBER 7.
4:38:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER.
4:38:11PM MR. SHELBY.
4:38:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES IT REMAIN THEN, RATHER THAN UNFINISHED
4:38:14PM BUSINESS, REMAINS UNDER ORDINANCES PRESENTED FOR FIRST
4:38:17PM READING CONSIDERATION.
4:38:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, EXACTLY AS IT IS JUST CONTINUED TO
4:38:21PM A FURTHER DATE.
4:38:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOVEMBER 7.
4:38:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:38:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE NEED SO MUCH TIME TO NOVEMBER?
4:38:29PM CAN WE GET IT SOONER?
4:38:30PM AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT -- AGAIN, WHENEVER --
4:38:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: RIGHT NOW IT'S DORMANT SO WE'RE IN
4:38:37PM COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
4:38:38PM I'LL SAY WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR, I AGREE WITH YOU, WE HAVE
4:38:42PM TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
4:38:43PM I DON'T AGREE WITH THE LAW EITHER AND I WAS VERY, VERY
4:38:48PM INVOLVED IN HELPING TO CREATE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
4:38:51PM I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE IN ITS CURRENT FORM AND I
4:38:54PM DEFINITELY DON'T THINK IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE UNDER THE NEW
4:38:57PM LAW.
4:38:57PM I TOLD ALL THE ACTIVISTS I BELIEVE IT SHOULD SHUT DOWN.
4:39:01PM IN FACT, THIS WAS MY MOTION.
4:39:02PM I AM ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY TO COME UP WITH A BETTER
4:39:05PM SOLUTION.
4:39:05PM IF THE BETTER SOLUTION IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE SAME
4:39:09PM NAME, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
4:39:10PM IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH A DIFFERENT NAME I'M OKAY.
4:39:13PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT AND NEED TIME TO
4:39:16PM TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT.
4:39:17PM BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE
4:39:20PM IN THE WAY WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
4:39:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT A SOONER -- A DATE SOONER?
4:39:26PM WE HAVE 19th OF SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER 3rd.
4:39:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OCTOBER 3rd.
4:39:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'RE DONE WITH BUDGET.
4:39:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE DO SEPTEMBER 19, THE LAST BUDGET
4:39:39PM HEARING IS THE 17.
4:39:42PM WE'LL BE REALLY TIRED.
4:39:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: I ONLY PICK NOVEMBER 7 BECAUSE IT WAS EMPTY.
4:39:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO OCTOBER 3rd.
4:39:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: REVISE THE MOTION OCTOBER 3.
4:39:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL AGREE.
4:39:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T GO WITH THE --
4:39:58PM THERE'S NO COST TO US.
4:39:59PM IT'S SUSPENDED.
4:40:00PM WE'RE NOT VULNERABLE.
4:40:01PM WHY NOT JUST --
4:40:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GO WITH NOVEMBER.
4:40:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOVEMBER 7.
4:40:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: KEEP NOVEMBER 7.
4:40:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO
4:40:09PM CONTINUE ITEM 55 TO NOVEMBER 7, REMAINING, KEEPING IT AS A
4:40:13PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
4:40:18PM HURTAK.
4:40:19PM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION?
4:40:23PM AYE.
4:40:24PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:40:24PM YES, MA'AM.
4:40:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTIONS FOR 57,
4:40:30PM 59, 60, AND 61.
4:40:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 57, 59, 60 AND 61.
4:40:38PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
4:40:39PM FOR 59 -- 57, 59, 60 AND 61.
4:40:46PM WE HAVE A SECOND.
4:40:47PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:40:47PM AYE.
4:40:48PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:40:49PM ALL RIGHT.
4:40:51PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:40:51PM CHIEF BENNETT, YOU'RE HERE.
4:40:56PM ANYTHING FOR ADMINISTRATION UPDATE OR YOU'RE LEAVING THAT
4:40:58PM EMPTY?
4:41:00PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
4:41:02PM THIS MORNING I SAID NO, BUT I WOULD SAY MAKE SURE WE'RE
4:41:05PM PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WEATHER REPORTS FROM THE EOC.
4:41:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHERE DO YOU SEE IT BEING MOST
4:41:11PM IMPACTFUL?
4:41:12PM SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.
4:41:14PM >> SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, HEAVY RAINFALL.
4:41:16PM STAYING AT TROPICAL STORM LEVEL FOR NOW.
4:41:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALERT TAMPA SENT OUT SANDBAG
4:41:21PM NOTIFICATIONS AND EVERYTHING.
4:41:23PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WE'LL KEEP UPDATING EVERYBODY AS WE GO.
4:41:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY DISTRICT IS IN ZONE A, WHAT IS THE
4:41:31PM POSSIBILITY OF EVACUATION?
4:41:33PM >>JOHN BENNETT: RIGHT NOW TO BE DETERMINED BUT NOTHING YET.
4:41:35PM THE STATE IS REALLY JUST RAMPING UP SUPPORT FOR HEAVY
4:41:40PM RAINFALL.
4:41:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE NOT UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY
4:41:43PM YET.
4:41:44PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THE STATE IS GOING TO A LEVEL OF SUPPORT AS
4:41:47PM OF TODAY STATEWIDE.
4:41:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS CAN YOU LET FOLKS KNOW
4:41:54PM WHERE THEY CAN GET SANDBAGS IF THEY WANT THEM.
4:41:56PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YES, I THINK THEY JUST PUT OUT THE TEXT.
4:41:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU COULD SAY IT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU KNOW OR
4:42:02PM IF SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS.
4:42:05PM AGAIN, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THAT DON'T NECESSARILY
4:42:10PM GET TEXTS OR SOCIAL MEDIA, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD
4:42:13PM HAVE IT.
4:42:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE THREE SANDBAG LOCATIONS THAT
4:42:17PM WILL OPEN FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AT THE HIMES AVENUE COMPLEX,
4:42:20PM AL LOPEZ PARK, AND AL BARNES PARK.
4:42:26PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
4:42:28PM LET ME GET THE HOURS.
4:42:29PM PICK UP LOCATIONS, FRIDAY, AUGUST 2nd, OPEN 9 A.M. TO 12
4:42:34PM FOR SENIORS AND RESIDENTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND OPEN 12 TO
4:42:38PM 7 FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
4:42:39PM ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 3rd, OPEN FROM 9 A.M. TO 7 P.M. FOR
4:42:43PM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
4:42:45PM IT SAYS TO BRING IDENTIFICATION VERIFYING RESIDENCE WITHIN
4:42:49PM CITY LIMITS, DRIVER'S LICENSE, UTILITY BILL OR ELECTRIC
4:42:52PM BILL.
4:42:52PM THERE IS A LIMIT OF TEN BAGS.
4:42:54PM THOSE LOCATIONS ARE HIMES AVENUE COMPLEX, 4501 SOUTH HIMES.
4:42:58PM AL BARNES PARK 2902 NORTH 32nd STREET AND AL LOPEZ PARK,
4:43:03PM 4810 NORTH HIMES AVENUE.
4:43:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:43:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:43:08PM IT IS ON THE TAMPA.GOV WEBSITE AND THROUGH ALERT TAMPA.
4:43:13PM THAT'S BEEN SENT OUT.
4:43:16PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF, DR. CHIEF.
4:43:18PM ITEM NUMBER 58 OR DID YOU HAVE MORE?
4:43:20PM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO.
4:43:21PM I WAS EXPECTING 62.
4:43:23PM BUT YOU ARE AT 58.
4:43:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 58 IS $17.1 MILLION.
4:43:31PM WE HAVE A MEMO.
4:43:33PM WE DID ASK FOR STAFF TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
4:43:36PM I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE PRESENTING.
4:43:37PM A MEMO FROM MIKE PERRY AND LARRY WASHINGTON.
4:43:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THEY ARE NOT HERE, THAT'S FINE.
4:43:54PM I HAD SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS REAL QUICK AND THEN
4:43:58PM WE CAN SIMPLY MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:43:59PM AND THIS IS, I COULD DO IT DURING NEW BUSINESS, BUT I WANT
4:44:06PM TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT 17 EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS ARE
4:44:12PM NEEDED BECAUSE THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY WASN'T FINISHED
4:44:16PM ON TIME.
4:44:16PM $17.1 MILLION EXTRA SIMPLY TO MOVE OUR GARBAGE FROM
4:44:24PM BASICALLY FROM -- SO INCLUDING, ORIGINALLY THEY HAD PUT 3
4:44:29PM MILLION.
4:44:29PM IT'S $20 MILLION TO MOVE OUR GARBAGE TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:44:34PM THIS IS PAYING THE MOVING FEE.
4:44:36PM THIS IS PAYING THE TIPPING FEE TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:44:41PM AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM FEBRUARY TO SEPTEMBER.
4:44:45PM SO I WANT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN THEY THINK OF THE
4:44:48PM COST OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND
4:44:52PM ONLY NINE MONTHS OF IT.
4:44:53PM WE'RE SPENDING 20% OF THAT JUST BRINGING OUR GARBAGE TO
4:44:57PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:44:57PM SO HOW CRITICAL AND ACTUALLY OVERALL BENEFICIAL THIS HUNDRED
4:45:02PM MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT IS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:45:05PM BUT ON THAT NOTE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MOTION BECAUSE WHEN I
4:45:11PM GOT -- WHEN I DID MY PREP MEETING, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I
4:45:15PM HEARD THIS PROJECT WAS BEHIND.
4:45:16PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE.
4:45:19PM WHAT I'M ASKING IS, I ALREADY TALKED TO THEM.
4:45:21PM I MOTION TO HAVE -- WELL, I ALREADY MADE THIS MOTION OR I
4:45:25PM ALREADY TALKED TO THEM.
4:45:26PM I MOTION TO HAVE THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT PRESENT AN
4:45:29PM IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 19 ON THE STATUS OF THE
4:45:33PM MCKAY BAY WASTE TO ENERGY RETROFIT UPDATES PROJECT.
4:45:37PM THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE AN EXPLANATION OF THE RECENT
4:45:39PM CONSTRUCTION DELAYS, ADDED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY DELAYS
4:45:43PM AND THE ANTICIPATED ADDITIONAL TIME NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT
4:45:47PM COMPLETION.
4:45:47PM THEY ALREADY SAID THIS IS SOMETHING THEY CAN DO.
4:45:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
4:45:51PM HURTAK.
4:45:52PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
4:45:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:45:55PM AYE.
4:45:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:45:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
4:45:59PM I HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE GENTLEMAN.
4:46:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: ON THIS ITEM, I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE 17
4:46:03PM MILLION.
4:46:04PM WHEN THEY COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 19, THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO
4:46:07PM KNOW WHY THIS STARTED AS A $26 MILLION PROJECT WHEN THE CITY
4:46:11PM TOOK IT OVER.
4:46:11PM AND NOW IT'S OVER A HUNDRED MILLION.
4:46:14PM WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH.
4:46:15PM IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THE PRIVATE SECTOR WOULD NOT STAND
4:46:19PM FOR THE KINDS OF MULTIMILLION DOLLARS OVERAGES.
4:46:22PM WE NEED TO KNOW WHY IT CONTINUES TO GO OVER BUDGET.
4:46:25PM WHERE THE END IS.
4:46:26PM IS IT GOING TO BE 250 MILLION BY THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, A
4:46:30PM YEAR?
4:46:30PM THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHY THIS THING IS COSTING SO
4:46:33PM MUCH.
4:46:33PM WHY DO WE THINK THE PRIVATE SECTOR GAVE IT UP TO THE CITY?
4:46:38PM BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WOULD LOSE A LOT OF MONEY ON IT.
4:46:40PM SOMEBODY IN THE BEGINNING UNDERESTIMATED THE COST OF IT AND
4:46:43PM WE'RE CONTINUING TO UNDERESTIMATE THE COST.
4:46:45PM WE NEED TO FIX THAT FAST.
4:46:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS SEPTEMBER 19.
4:46:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:46:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS --
4:46:54PM >> IF I COULD CLARIFY AS WELL.
4:46:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GARBAGE TRUCKS WE
4:46:59PM HAVE RUNNING THE CITY ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
4:47:02PM I KNOW THEY COLLECT GARBAGE AT MY HOUSE TWICE A WEEK AND
4:47:06PM MOST PLACES TWICE A WEEK.
4:47:07PM I UNDERSTAND THE PLACE WE'RE DUMPING IS ABOUT 58 MILES AWAY.
4:47:14PM IS THAT CORRECT?
4:47:16PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: I'M HERE.
4:47:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS IT ABOUT 58 MILES AWAY?
4:47:21PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: NO, SIR.
4:47:22PM 23 MILES AWAY.
4:47:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 46 MILES ROUND TRIP, AM I CORRECT?
4:47:28PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
4:47:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TIMES HOW MANY TRUCKS EVERY DAY OUT ON
4:47:32PM THE STREET?
4:47:33PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: ROUGHLY A HUNDRED TRUCKS.
4:47:35PM 100.
4:47:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WOW, TIMES 100, THAT FIGURE, AND FIGURE
4:47:43PM THE COST OF OVERTIME ALONE RIGHT THERE AND THE COST OF THE
4:47:47PM USAGE OF THE TRUCK AND AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON EXTRA FUEL,
4:47:51PM TO KNOW SOMETHING JUST IN THE BALLPARK.
4:47:53PM WHEN YOU START MULTIPLYING THAT -- I'LL DO IT FOR YOU IF YOU
4:47:56PM WANT, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S 46 MILES TIMES 100 A DAY.
4:48:02PM JUST MOVE THE ZEROS AROUND AND YOU HAVE ALL THAT COMING AT
4:48:07PM YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG EXPENSE JUST MOVING THE TRUCKS
4:48:10PM AROUND.
4:48:10PM SO THAT 17 MILLION MAY SOUND BIG.
4:48:13PM BY THE TIME YOU FINISH, YOU WAIT WHAT HAPPENS.
4:48:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
4:48:17PM MR. WASHINGTON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
4:48:20PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
4:48:21PM LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
4:48:25PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SHE WAS CORRECT.
4:48:26PM I DO WANT TO CLARIFY WHERE THE $17 MILLION IS COMING FROM.
4:48:30PM WE'RE TAKING IT FROM OUR RESERVES AND MOVING IT OVER TO
4:48:32PM OPERATING SO THEN WE CAN UTILIZE IT.
4:48:35PM AND THIS ISN'T TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THE
4:48:38PM MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH DIVERTING WASTE FROM OUR WASTE
4:48:43PM FACILITY TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:48:45PM WE HAVE THE OPTION TO SPEND SOME OF THE MONIES UP TO FISCAL
4:48:50PM YEAR BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES.
4:48:52PM WITH THIS BEING SAID, A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THERE ARE
4:48:56PM GOING TO BE SOME HICCUPS.
4:48:57PM WE'RE FIRING UP.
4:48:58PM WE ARE BURNING WASTE RIGHT NOW.
4:49:00PM WE HAVE THREE BOILERS UP AND FROM TIME TO TIME WE HAVE TO
4:49:04PM TURN THEM OFF SO WE CAN WORK ON THE TURBINE GENERATOR.
4:49:08PM THAT'S WHAT THE DELAY IS.
4:49:10PM WE'RE OPERATING AT ROUGHLY 75% AS FAR AS BURNING CAPACITY.
4:49:14PM JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, WE BURN A THOUSAND TONS A DAY.
4:49:18PM WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
4:49:19PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IT WON'T BE ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
4:49:23PM WE'RE EXPECTING TO FINISH THIS PROJECT AND GET EVERYTHING UP
4:49:26PM TO SPEED, FOUR BOILERS AND TURBINE GENERATOR BY SEPTEMBER.
4:49:30PM BUT THIS GIVES US THE BUFFER TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COVER ALL
4:49:33PM THE ASSOCIATED HAULING FEES.
4:49:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PRIOR PRESENTATIONS IS
4:49:40PM THAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH ABOUT HALF THE RESERVES LAST YEAR
4:49:44PM BECAUSE OF THE LOSS.
4:49:50PM JUST FROM THE LOSS THIS YEAR YOU'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER
4:49:53PM HALF OF THE RESERVES.
4:49:54PM SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS COMING FROM THE RESERVES.
4:49:59PM IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL LOSS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING
4:50:02PM OUT OF SOMEWHERE ELSE, THE GENERAL FUND OR SOMEWHERE ELSE?
4:50:06PM BECAUSE I THINK THE RESERVES, THEY WERE RIGHT AROUND 17 OR
4:50:10PM 20 MILLION AFTER WE TOOK OUT LAST YEAR, RIGHT?
4:50:13PM I'M GOING FROM MEMORY.
4:50:18PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
4:50:18PM [INDISCERNIBLE]
4:50:25PM >> DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
4:50:28PM FURTHER TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTION AND CHAIRMAN
4:50:34PM MANISCALCO HAD ALSO ASKED, THIS INFORMATION IN OUR
4:50:38PM BRIEFINGS, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION, IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO,
4:50:42PM WHICH MAY GUIDE US THROUGH THIS.
4:50:45PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS QUITE RIGHT.
4:50:47PM WE HAVE USED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SOLID WASTE RESERVES.
4:50:50PM SEE HERE, PARDON ME, OUR PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE FOR
4:50:56PM SOLID WASTE WAS ALMOST $50 MILLION, $48.8 MILLION.
4:51:01PM YOU SEE IT SUBDIVIDED, COUNCIL MAY RECALL, THE THREE
4:51:05PM DIFFERENT RESERVE REQUIREMENTS.
4:51:07PM 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE, A REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT RESERVE
4:51:11PM AND THEN A SEPARATE REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT RESERVE JUST
4:51:15PM FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY.
4:51:17PM WE NEED $17.1 MILLION NOW SO YOU CAN SEE A REVISED
4:51:23PM PROJECTION IS JUST OVER 32 MILLION.
4:51:25PM WE'VE GONE FROM APPROXIMATELY 50 TO JUST OVER 30.
4:51:29PM THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, OBVIOUSLY.
4:51:31PM YOU SEE OUR PROJECTION IS WE ARE JUST ABLE TO COVER THE 90
4:51:36PM DAY OPERATING EXPENSES WITH VERY, VERY LITTLE FOR REPAIR AND
4:51:40PM REFURBISHMENT.
4:51:42PM ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO USE $17 MILLION OF RESERVES IS OBVIOUSLY
4:51:46PM NOT A GOOD THING.
4:51:47PM BUT I WILL PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
4:51:53PM THIS REMAINS A PROJECTION THROUGH THE END OF THIS FISCAL
4:51:56PM YEAR.
4:51:59PM DIRECTOR WASHINGTON AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION WOULD KNOW
4:52:02PM MORE THAN I, BUT WE WANT TO, WE ALWAYS TRY TO PRESENT
4:52:06PM COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WITH A REASONABLE BUT CONSERVATIVE
4:52:10PM SCENARIO, AND THIS IS THAT.
4:52:12PM COULD IT COME IN LESS?
4:52:13PM I GUESS IT COULD AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THIS IS OUR
4:52:16PM PROJECTION RIGHT NOW TO GET US THROUGH THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
4:52:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL ME -- TWO QUESTIONS.
4:52:24PM ONE, DOES THIS INCLUDE THE RATE ADJUSTMENT THAT WENT THROUGH
4:52:27PM RECENTLY?
4:52:27PM NUMBER TWO, DO YOU RECALL OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THE
4:52:33PM LOSS WAS LAST YEAR AND WHAT THE REMAINING FUND BALANCE WAS
4:52:36PM LAST YEAR AFTER THAT?
4:52:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE SECOND -- MY ANSWER TO THE SECOND
4:52:41PM QUESTION, I DO NOT, BUT I CAN PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH THOSE
4:52:44PM FIGURES FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR.
4:52:46PM JUST MAKE A NOTE.
4:52:48PM TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RATE
4:52:58PM RESTRUCTURING BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS GETS US THROUGH THIS
4:53:03PM FISCAL YEAR, THE RATE RESTRUCTURING BEGINS OCTOBER 1st.
4:53:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DID YOU ANTICIPATE THIS -- WHAT'S NOW
4:53:16PM 17 MILLION?
4:53:17PM DID YOU ANTICIPATE IT AT SOME POINT?
4:53:18PM I'M GOING FROM MEMORY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE NUMBERS WERE A
4:53:21PM LOT LOWER A FEW MONTHS AGO.
4:53:24PM MAYBE YOU ALL PRESENTED US NUMBERS ALREADY ANTICIPATED
4:53:26PM NUMBERS SIMILAR TO THIS OR NO?
4:53:28PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
4:53:30PM I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK.
4:53:31PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER INFORMATION WE'RE GIVING YOU IS
4:53:33PM CONSISTENT.
4:53:34PM IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.
4:53:36PM LET ME GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY
4:53:39PM DISCREPANCIES WE WANT TO CLEAR THOSE UP.
4:53:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
4:53:42PM MR. WASHINGTON, ARE YOU STILL ON?
4:53:49PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
4:53:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TOTALLY UNRELATED.
4:53:52PM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP YESTERDAY WITH THE
4:53:54PM CONSTITUENT.
4:53:55PM I HAD A SENIOR CITIZEN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDED
4:53:58PM ASSISTANCE REGARDING SOLID WASTE.
4:54:00PM I CONTACTED MR. WASHINGTON'S DEPARTMENT I THINK WITHIN 20
4:54:03PM MINUTES YOU CALL HIM PERSONALLY AND TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING.
4:54:06PM I WANT TO THANK YOU.
4:54:07PM THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
4:54:08PM ONE TIME I HAD AN ISSUE WITH SOMEBODY IN WEST TAMPA.
4:54:11PM THIS GENTLEMAN LEFT HIS OFFICE AND WENT TO THAT PERSON'S
4:54:14PM HOUSE WITHIN THE HOUR AND TOOK CARE OF IT.
4:54:17PM GREAT SERVICE.
4:54:18PM GREAT JOB, MR. WASHINGTON AND YOUR DEPARTMENT.
4:54:20PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
4:54:22PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU, SIR.
4:54:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAS THAT SENIOR CITIZEN CHARLIE MIRANDA?
4:54:27PM [ LAUGHTER ]
4:54:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:54:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 58.
4:54:36PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:54:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:54:38PM AYE.
4:54:39PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:54:40PM >> NO.
4:54:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS -- THANK YOU, SIR.
4:54:45PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
4:54:48PM HENDERSON BEING ABSENT.
4:54:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: SAY ONE QUICK THING?
4:54:51PM I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. WASHINGTON.
4:54:53PM HE ALWAYS IS VERY RESPONSIVE ON CONSTITUENT ISSUES.
4:54:56PM THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THIS PROJECT, AND WE NEED TO
4:54:58PM REALLY -- WE NEED TO GET THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THIS
4:55:01PM PROJECT AND WE NEED TO REALLY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN
4:55:05PM THEY COME BACK.
4:55:06PM WE NEED HELP WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY AND WE NEED TO SET
4:55:11PM EXPECTATIONS FOR THE NEXT -- I HAD ASKED FOR 30 YEARS, AT
4:55:16PM LEAST THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS, AND WE NEED RELIABLE
4:55:19PM PREDICTIONS AND EXPECTATIONS.
4:55:20PM THANK YOU.
4:55:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CLENDENIN.
4:55:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT MONETARY
4:55:25PM TO THIS MOTION THEN?
4:55:25PM BECAUSE THIS MOTION IS ASKING FOR A REPORT TO INCLUDE THE
4:55:29PM EXPLANATION ON THE RECENT CONSTRUCTION DELAY, ADDED COST
4:55:32PM ASSOCIATED WITH ANY DELAYS AND THE ANTICIPATED ADDITIONAL
4:55:35PM TIME NEEDED FOR PROJECT COMPLETION, THAT WILL COVER IT?
4:55:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.
4:55:40PM TO SHOW THE ADDITIONAL COST, YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHAT THE COSTS
4:55:43PM WERE BEFORE.
4:55:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA.
4:55:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THROW THIS BACK OUT IN THE ATMOSPHERE,
4:55:48PM I'VE SAID FOR PROBABLY ALMOST A YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN ON
4:55:52PM COUNCIL THAT I'M GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY
4:55:56PM PLANT AND THE REPLACEMENT.
4:55:57PM I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE COGNIZANT THAT SOMEWHERE WE'RE
4:56:00PM GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER GO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ONE OF THE
4:56:03PM ADJOINING MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES AND TO BUILD A
4:56:06PM REPLACEMENT.
4:56:07PM I KNOW THEY STARTED TO ACQUIRE LAND.
4:56:10PM BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A FINANCIAL PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH
4:56:12PM THAT.
4:56:13PM IT'S GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE.
4:56:15PM BUT YOU SEE -- WE SEE WITH THE OUTAGE, THE IMPACT IT HAS ON
4:56:20PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:56:21PM AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY -- MAYBE CHARLIE MIRANDA WILL
4:56:23PM STILL BE HERE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
4:56:25PM BUT THE REST OF US, PROBABLY I'LL BE DEAD AND GONE BUT
4:56:29PM SOMEBODY WILL BE THINKING LONG TERM.
4:56:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ACCEPTED ALL YOUR DARTS.
4:56:34PM [ LAUGHTER ]
4:56:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DID TOO RIGHT IN MY --
4:56:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO WHISPER, STOP
4:56:45PM THROWING SO MUCH STUFF AWAY.
4:56:46PM WE CAN DO THIS.
4:56:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SUPPORT THAT.
4:56:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN DO THIS.
4:56:53PM >> WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME?
4:56:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
4:56:56PM IT'S LIKE THE WATER ISSUE, USE LESS WATER.
4:56:59PM THROW AWAY LESS GARBAGE.
4:57:01PM IT IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN BOTH
4:57:05PM PLACES.
4:57:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER QUICK THING, JUST SO THE PUBLIC
4:57:10PM KNOWS, THE CITY HAS BEEN PRODUCING WATER FOR DECADES.
4:57:15PM HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, DEPTH OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO
4:57:22PM IT.
4:57:23PM IN THE DISTRIBUTION TRANSPORTATION OF SANITATION OR SOLID
4:57:26PM WASTE, THE CITY HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT DEPTH OF
4:57:29PM EXPERIENCE.
4:57:30PM AND YOU CAN SAY THAT IN MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
4:57:32PM THE CITY HAS EXCELLENT PEOPLE AND WE HAVE LOTS OF
4:57:35PM EXPERIENCE.
4:57:35PM IN THIS WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, IT WAS PRIVATELY OWNED FOR 40
4:57:40PM YEARS AND THE CITY JUST TOOK IT OVER FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO.
4:57:43PM IT IS A HUGE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
4:57:45PM THE CITY HAS BROUGHT IN EXPERTS FROM OUTSIDE, BUT WE NEED TO
4:57:50PM -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO IS TO CONVINCE US AND THE
4:57:53PM PUBLIC THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE ESTIMATES
4:57:56PM ARE ACCURATE GOING FORWARD.
4:57:57PM THANK YOU.
4:57:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:57:59PM WE MOVED THAT.
4:58:01PM WE PASSED 59, 60, 61.
4:58:04PM WE'RE AT 62 NOW.
4:58:06PM WE DID SAY, YES, WE WOULD LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL AND THERE IS A
4:58:14PM PowerPoint PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM.
4:58:15PM HELLO, SIR.
4:58:19PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
4:58:20PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF AND GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE
4:58:23PM PUBLIC.
4:58:24PM I WANT TO PUT A SLIGHT PREAMBLE IN BEFORE THE DEPARTMENTS
4:58:27PM COME UP AND THE USER DEPARTMENTS SUPPORT AND WE APPRECIATE
4:58:31PM COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING SINCE FY '20,
4:58:37PM FISCAL YEAR '20.
4:58:38PM I STARTED THIS WHEN GREG SPEARMAN WAS STILL THE DIRECTOR.
4:58:42PM I REMEMBER WHEN WE BID OUT THE OPPORTUNITIES AND WHERE THE
4:58:46PM OPPORTUNITIES MEET A LEVEL OF SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT WE
4:58:48PM WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR, FOR THEIR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT
4:58:53PM OF THIS OPPORTUNITY, YET WE'VE EVEN SEEN WHERE THE PILOT IN
4:58:56PM THE CRA IS STARTING TO HELP HEALTHY HOMES WHERE CONTRACTING
4:59:00PM IS CHALLENGING SOMETIMES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE'RE
4:59:03PM HELPING IN THE CRA.
4:59:03PM WE WANT TO THANK THE CRA BOARD FOR THAT AS WELL.
4:59:06PM WHEN YOU WARE THE CRA HAT.
4:59:09PM SO TODAY WE HAVE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WITH DEANNA AND
4:59:13PM KATRINA HOUSE.
4:59:15PM AND WE HAVE OUR EBO OPPORTUNITIES WITH MS. BERTHA MITCHELL.
4:59:19PM AND, OF COURSE, USER DEPARTMENTS THAT RELY ON THIS.
4:59:22PM I WANT TO DISTINGUISH SOMETHING BETWEEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
4:59:24PM AND CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.
4:59:25PM THIS IS A HEAVY CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.
4:59:27PM YOU'VE SEEN THIS WORK IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THE PARK
4:59:29PM DEPARTMENTS, THE CONVENTION CENTER.
4:59:31PM YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH A MEMO AND A PowerPoint.
4:59:33PM I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY
4:59:37PM QUESTIONS AND/OR PRESENT.
4:59:38PM I WILL YIELD TO THEM.
4:59:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
4:59:42PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
4:59:43PM DEANNA fa*gGART, DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING.
4:59:47PM WE DID SEND OVER SOME SLIDES.
4:59:51PM IT'S YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK ON
4:59:55PM THOSE OR YOU JUST WANT TO ASK US SOME QUESTIONS.
4:59:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:00:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'D LIKE AT -- AT LEAST LIKE THE PUBLIC TO
5:00:05PM SEE THE PIE CHART, WHICH IS VERY NICE.
5:00:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
5:00:11PM SHOW US THE PIE CHART.
5:00:12PM >>DEANNA fa*gGART: I'M GOING TO HAVE MS. KATRINA HOUSE, THE
5:00:18PM ADMINISTRATOR, COME UP.
5:00:19PM SHE IS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
5:00:21PM SHE IS THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE CONTRACTS EVERY DAY AND
5:00:23PM BIDS THEM OUT AND REALLY INVOLVES THE CONTRACTORS IN OUR
5:00:28PM EVERYDAY OPERATIONS.
5:00:29PM AND THEN FOLLOWING KATRINA, MS. BERTHA MITCHELL FROM THE
5:00:33PM EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OFFICE WILL SPEAK ON THE SLBE AND
5:00:39PM WMBE PARTICIPATION AND WE DO HAVE DEPARTMENT STAFF HERE IN
5:00:43PM SUPPORT.
5:00:43PM SOME HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF THE TIME.
5:00:45PM I DO HAVE SOME STATEMENTS.
5:00:48PM I CAN SHARE THEM AT THE END IF WE HAVE TIME.
5:00:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:00:52PM YES, MA'AM.
5:00:53PM >> HELLO.
5:00:53PM I'M KATRINA HOUSE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA PURCHASING
5:00:57PM DEPARTMENT.
5:00:57PM I WILL BE A 23-YEAR EMPLOYEE IN NOVEMBER, AS CHIEF OF STAFF
5:01:03PM SAID, THANK YOU GUYS SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE
5:01:06PM JOB ORDER CONTRACTING PROGRAM.
5:01:08PM PLEASE ASK ME QUESTIONS AS YOU WILL.
5:01:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
5:01:12PM YES, MA'AM.
5:01:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE PUT IT ON THE ELMO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE
5:01:17PM CAN ALL SEE IT YET, THE PUBLIC.
5:01:19PM JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THE
5:01:23PM AMOUNTS.
5:01:23PM >> IN FRONT OF YOU YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DO HAVE OUR JOB ORDER
5:01:27PM AMOUNTS TO DATE THAT HAVE BEEN PROJECTED FOR ALL OF OUR
5:01:32PM SMALL AND LOCAL BUSINESSES.
5:01:34PM AND YOU ALSO SEE -- I'M NOT FOR SURE WHICH SIDE IS WHICH THE
5:01:39PM WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER CHART THAT
5:01:42PM SHOWS THE TOTAL JOB ORDERS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT.
5:01:45PM WITH SOME OF THESE JOB ORDERS, THEY ARE PROVIDING THE
5:01:51PM MUCH-NEEDED REPAIR SERVICES TO SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
5:01:56PM AS MENTIONED BY CHIEF OF STAFF, PARKS DEPARTMENT, CONVENTION
5:01:59PM CENTER AND TOURISM, WASTE WATER DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS OUR
5:02:02PM CRAs.
5:02:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:02:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, WE'RE ALL BRIEFED
5:02:09PM ON THIS INDIVIDUALLY SO THE PRESENTATION NOW IS FOR THE
5:02:13PM BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
5:02:14PM COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT THE BENEFIT
5:02:21PM IS OF THIS KIND OF PURCHASING AGREEMENT?
5:02:23PM WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF IT?
5:02:25PM >> YES, SIR, I CAN.
5:02:26PM JOB ORDER CONTRACTING IS AN INDEFINITE PROGRAM THAT WE
5:02:35PM UTILIZE TO PROVIDE SMALL TO MEDIUM SERVICES TO OUR
5:02:40PM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
5:02:42PM WE PROVIDE ANYWHERE FROM PAVING A ROAD TO BUILDING A DOG
5:02:47PM PARK, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
5:02:48PM THERE ARE SEVERAL BENEFITS TO OUR JOB ORDER CONTRACTING
5:02:52PM RELATED TO COST SAVINGS, STREAMLINES OUR PURCHASING
5:02:57PM PROCESSES.
5:02:58PM THERE ARE OTHER COST SAVINGS AS WELL AS OUR SCALABILITY AND
5:03:03PM OUR FLEXIBILITY ALONG WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THOSE
5:03:07PM NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR SMALL AND LOCAL BUSINESSES.
5:03:10PM WITH OUR JOB ORDER CONTRACTING, WE HAVE OPENED UP THE DOORS
5:03:14PM TO ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE CERTIFIED WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
5:03:19PM GET A FEEL OF DOING BUSINESS WITH OUR PRIME CONTRACTORS.
5:03:23PM THEY HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE JOBS,
5:03:26PM AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS.
5:03:28PM WE HAVE HEARD COUNCIL FROM TIME TO TIME SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO
5:03:31PM MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE
5:03:35PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT FROM
5:03:39PM TIME TO TIME.
5:03:39PM WITH OUR JOB ORDER CONTRACTING PROVIDED SEVERAL WAYS TO
5:03:47PM PROVIDE THOSE SUBCONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES TO THE PUBLIC
5:03:52PM ALONG WITH OUR PRIME TIME WITH PURCHASING EVENTS.
5:03:56PM THESE ARE SPECIFIC EVENTS THAT WE GEAR TOWARDS OUR
5:04:00PM SUBCONTRACTING NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES.
5:04:03PM WE HAVE SEVERAL TRADE SHOWS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR FREE ON
5:04:07PM BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:04:10PM MAKE TIME ALSO TO MEET WITH OUR SUPPLIER COMMUNITY.
5:04:14PM THEY CAN SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH ME.
5:04:16PM THEY CAN COME IN.
5:04:17PM THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT HOW TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF
5:04:19PM TAMPA, ALONG WITH HOW TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF THOSE PRIME
5:04:22PM CONTRACTORS.
5:04:23PM WE ALSO HAVE OUR SUPPLIER APPRECIATION GATHERINGS AND WE
5:04:28PM INVITE SMALL CONTRACTORS TO COME AND JOIN US WHEN WE HAVE
5:04:30PM OUR JOINT SCOPE MEETINGS AS WELL.
5:04:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:04:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER WAY OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT
5:04:39PM PROVIDES EASY ACCESS FOR SMALL TO MEDIUM BUSINESSES, WOMEN
5:04:43PM AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES GET HIGHER ACCESS THAN THEY
5:04:46PM MIGHT HAVE IF IT WAS A BIG RFP.
5:04:49PM I THINK YOUR MINORITY PARTICIPATION IS HIGHER IN THESE
5:04:52PM PROGRAMS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PURCHASING.
5:04:54PM >> I LOVE THE WAY YOU PUT THAT.
5:04:56PM SEE I'M TRYING NOT TO STEP ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S TOES IN CASE
5:05:00PM YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SOMEBODY ELSE BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
5:05:03PM CORRECT.
5:05:04PM WITHIN OUR JOB ORDER CONTRACT AND WE DO HAVE GOALS SET
5:05:07PM WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM.
5:05:09PM AND THE GOALS ARE 10% OR SBLE AND 15% WMBE.
5:05:17PM WE FAR EXCEEDED THOSE GOALS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
5:05:20PM WE HAVE SEEN IMPROVEMENT WITH JOB ORDER CONTRACTING EACH
5:05:23PM YEAR BECAUSE THERE IS A BUZZ ABOUT THE CITY.
5:05:25PM EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THEY KNOW THAT
5:05:32PM JOC IS A WAY FOR THEM TO GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR.
5:05:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE PRESENTING OR CAN WE MAKE
5:05:38PM THE MOTION TO APPROVE?
5:05:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL.
5:05:43PM I CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, BUT THEN I
5:05:46PM HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL AS WELL.
5:05:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER
5:05:51PM 62.
5:05:52PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:05:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:05:54PM AYE.
5:05:55PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:05:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED TO MS. fa*gGART
5:06:00PM ABOUT AND OTHERS, WHEN WE WERE MEETING ABOUT THIS, WAS TO
5:06:04PM HAVE A QUARTERLY REPORT THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHERE ALL
5:06:09PM OF THIS GOES.
5:06:10PM I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF -- I HAVE ALL OF THESE WRITTEN FOR THE
5:06:13PM CLERK, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT.
5:06:16PM I'M EVEN PUTTING WHEN I DID IT.
5:06:18PM I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF PREPARE A QUARTERLY WRITTEN STAFF
5:06:22PM REPORT, SO WRITTEN, IN THE WRITTEN PORTION OF OUR STAFF
5:06:24PM REPORTS, ON THE JOC PROGRAM TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING DATA
5:06:28PM POINTS, PRIME CONTRACTOR NAME, JOB ORDER NAMES, SLASH,
5:06:31PM TITLE, TOTAL AWARD AMOUNT, TYPE OF UTILIZATION, WHICH IS
5:06:35PM SLBE AND WMBE CATEGORIES, ANTICIPATED UTILIZATION AMOUNTS
5:06:40PM AND DEPARTMENT NAME.
5:06:42PM THE FIRST WRITTEN STAFF REPORT WILL BE ON THE FEBRUARY 6,
5:06:47PM 2025 AGENDA BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO KIND OF GET THE
5:06:50PM FIRST QUARTER.
5:06:51PM DONE.
5:06:52PM SO THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED ON AND WE'LL TRY ON THAT AND SEE
5:06:55PM HOW IT GOES.
5:06:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
5:06:58PM HURTAK.
5:06:59PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:07:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:07:02PM AYE.
5:07:02PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:07:03PM IS THAT YOUR COMPLETE MOTION?
5:07:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT IS.
5:07:06PM THOSE CATEGORIES I WORKED WITH MS. fa*gGART ON TO MAKE SURE
5:07:10PM THAT'S STUFF SHE CAN DO.
5:07:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:07:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST THING, THIS KIND OF PROGRAM
5:07:16PM POTENTIALLY HAS A DOWNSIDE ALSO.
5:07:19PM I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF OF STAFF, THIS
5:07:21PM DEPARTMENT REPORTS TO HIM, AND HE ASSURED ME THAT HE'S GOING
5:07:23PM TO PERSONALLY BE INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET INTO
5:07:28PM THOSE AREAS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROTATION AND A
5:07:32PM DIVERSITY OF SUPPLIERS.
5:07:34PM THIS KIND OF PROGRAM WHEN IT WORKS WELL CAN BE REALLY
5:07:38PM BENEFICIAL TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND HELP DRIVE INNOVATION AND
5:07:41PM EMPLOYMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
5:07:42PM THANK YOU.
5:07:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE QUARTERLY REPORT
5:07:45PM COULD HELP US DO, BRING US A REMINDER AND LET US KNOW WHAT
5:07:49PM KINDS OF -- THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GETTING THESE
5:07:51PM CONTRACTS.
5:07:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MISSED IT.
5:07:56PM WE PASSED THE NEW BUDGET.
5:07:57PM THAT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING?
5:07:59PM ALL RIGHT.
5:08:00PM ITEM NUMBER 63 WE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
5:08:02PM ITEM 64 WE TOOK CARE OF, CORRECT?
5:08:04PM NOTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THAT.
5:08:07PM ITEM NUMBER 65 WE ASKED FOR A BRIEF FIVE-MINUTE REPORT ON
5:08:12PM THE RESULTS OF THE SIX-PILOT PROGRAM.
5:08:15PM THERE IS A PowerPoint PRESENTATION FOR THIS AND WE HAVE
5:08:18PM REPRESENTATIVES.
5:08:18PM YES, MA'AM.
5:08:19PM THERE YOU ARE.
5:08:20PM >> SARAH BURNS, PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
5:08:22PM WAIT.
5:08:31PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
5:08:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
5:08:34PM >> I'M HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE SUSPENDED ION
5:08:38PM EXCHANGE OR SIX PILOT AT HOWARD CURREN.
5:08:44PM BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE RESULTS, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY
5:08:56PM AND PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
5:08:58PM WE HAVE THIS TALE OF TWO PILOTS.
5:09:01PM STARTED PILOTING AT THE TIPPIN WATER FACILITY.
5:09:04PM WATER PILOT VERY DIFFERENT FROM HOWARD CURREN.
5:09:09PM THE FIRST PILOT WAS POTABLE WATER TREATMENT PILOT.
5:09:12PM CONCLUDED IN 2021.
5:09:13PM WE HAD A VERY POSITIVE RESULT WITH REGARD TO WATER
5:09:16PM TREATMENT.
5:09:16PM WE WERE LOOKING FOR ORGANICS REMOVAL AND THAT IS WHAT WE
5:09:20PM GOT.
5:09:20PM WE WERE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR ORGANICS REMOVAL BY 40% WITH
5:09:24PM SIX.
5:09:24PM THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO FULL-SCALE
5:09:27PM IMPLEMENTATION.
5:09:27PM WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT WATER IN
5:09:29PM THE FUTURE.
5:09:31PM WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A THIRD-PARTY REVIEW IN FRONT
5:09:33PM OF COUNCIL AT THE END OF AUGUST.
5:09:35PM THAT'S -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER CONSULTING FIRM LOOK
5:09:39PM AT ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE FOR SIX AND MAKE SURE THAT IT
5:09:41PM MAKES SENSE, METHODOLOGY MAKES SENSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD
5:09:45PM TO FULL SCALE.
5:09:46PM THOSE RESULTS WERE SO PROMISING ON THE WATER SIDE AND YOU
5:09:49PM ALSO ORGANICS REMOVAL ON WASTE WATER SIDE.
5:09:56PM THE SOUP IS DIFFERENT, STILL HAVE TO PILOT ON THE WASTEWATER
5:09:59PM SIDE WHICH IS WHY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PILOT.
5:10:02PM SOUP, THAT WOULD BE THE RIVER WATER, OUR WATER SOURCE AND
5:10:05PM RECLAIMED WATER ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.
5:10:07PM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SIX HAS EVER BEEN PILOTED IN
5:10:10PM WASTEWATER.
5:10:11PM IT'S ALL BRAND-NEW INFORMATION.
5:10:12PM IT WAS PILOTED FROM JULY 2023 THROUGH DECEMBER 2023.
5:10:16PM FULLY FUNDED AND TO GET TO THE END VERY QUICKLY, THE RESULTS
5:10:20PM SUGGEST IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A GOOD FIT FOR US FOR ADVANCE
5:10:23PM TREATMENT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME SOURCE WATER IMPROVEMENT.
5:10:26PM I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.
5:10:27PM AT A GLANCE IT WAS A 30-GALLON PER MINUTE PILOT WHICH IS .04
5:10:32PM MGD.
5:10:33PM WE DID HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PHASES.
5:10:36PM INTEREST OF TIME, I WON'T GO INTO THE PHASES AND WE'RE NOT
5:10:38PM GOING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE RESULTS BASED ON PHASES.
5:10:40PM WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OVERARCHING CONCLUSIONS.
5:10:43PM THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES SOME OF THE MAJOR RESULTS.
5:10:46PM THE CONTAMINANTS ARE ON THE LEFT.
5:10:48PM ON THE RIGHT IS PERFORMANCE, CHECK MARK MEANS WE GOT SOME
5:10:51PM REMOVALS.
5:10:52PM I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL REMOVALS HERE.
5:10:53PM IF YOU WANT THEM, I'LL FORWARD THE REPORT ALONG.
5:10:56PM X MEANS WE DID NOT GET REMOVALS.
5:10:58PM I'LL FOCUS IN ON MAJOR ONES HERE.
5:11:00PM NITRATE, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE GAVE OUR ORIGINAL
5:11:03PM UPDATE, WE WERE AT 35% REMOVAL.
5:11:05PM THAT WAS ONE SAMPLE.
5:11:06PM AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY GET BETTER.
5:11:10PM IT DIDN'T, IT ACTUALLY GOT WORSE.
5:11:12PM IN THE END, WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE GETTING NITRATE REMOVALS FROM
5:11:15PM THE AFFLUENT.
5:11:16PM WE ALSO DID NOT SEE REMOVALS OF TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS.
5:11:21PM THINK OF THAT AS SALINITY.
5:11:22PM NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, CHLORIDE, SODIUM, SULFATE IS
5:11:26PM ANOTHER COMPONENT.
5:11:27PM SULFATE IS ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS AT HOWARD CURREN
5:11:30PM WHICH IS WHY IT IS LISTED HERE.
5:11:31PM WHILE WE DID SEE SULFATE REMOVALS, OVERALL TDS WAS NOT
5:11:39PM REMOVED.
5:11:40PM I'LL TALK ABOUT WHY RESULTS WERE INCONSISTENT.
5:11:44PM MUSICAL CHAIRS ANALOGY.
5:11:48PM MELANIE PICKET, IT'S HER BRAINCHILD.
5:11:51PM A CHAIR REPRESENTS A MEDIA SITE.
5:11:53PM THAT'S HOW WE REMOVE THE -- THOSE PEOPLE REPRESENT TDS.
5:12:01PM ESSENTIALLY SO MUCH TDS IN THE WATER, THEY HAVE ALL THE
5:12:03PM CHAIRS, WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS, TDS SITS DOWN AND NITRATE IS
5:12:06PM OVER IN THE CORNER AND DOESN'T GET REMOVED.
5:12:09PM LITTLE MORE ACCURATE, IT WOULD BE A ROOMFUL OF HUNDRED OF
5:12:11PM TDS AND JUST A COUPLE OF NITRATE.
5:12:13PM WHY IS TDS SUCH AN ISSUE AT HOWARD CURREN?
5:12:17PM THIS AGAIN IS WHY THE SOUP IS SO IMPORTANT.
5:12:20PM ON THIS GRAPH ON THE Y AXIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TDS IN
5:12:25PM MILLIGRAMS PER LITER.
5:12:26PM X AXIS IS THE DATE ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2006 UP THROUGH
5:12:30PM JANUARY OF 2024.
5:12:31PM THAT RED LINE IS THE DRINKING WATER STANDARD.
5:12:34PM SECONDARY STANDARD WHICH MEANS IT IS AN AESTHETIC STANDARD.
5:12:37PM FOR TDS WHICH IS 500 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER.
5:12:41PM ALSO RELEVANT HERE BECAUSE IT IS WHERE MOST MUNICIPAL
5:12:44PM WASTEWATERS LAND IN TERMS OF TDS.
5:12:47PM TDS AT HOWARD CURREN IS HIGHER.
5:12:49PM RANGES FROM SOMEWHERE AROUND 700 UP TO 1700, AVERAGE AROUND
5:12:53PM 1300.
5:12:54PM IT'S VERY VARIABLE WHICH INDICATES THAT WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL
5:12:57PM CONTRIBUTIONS.
5:12:58PM THESE ARE THE MAJOR TAKEAWAYS.
5:13:01PM THE HIGH AND VARIABLE TDS SOURCE WATER REDUCES APPLICABILITY
5:13:05PM OF SIX FOR ADVANCE TREATMENT AT HOWARD CURREN.
5:13:08PM WHAT COULD WE DO ABOUT THAT?
5:13:09PM ONE OPTION IS CALLED ENHANCE SOURCE CONTROL.
5:13:12PM ESSENTIALLY WITH ENHANCED SOURCE CONTROL, INSTEAD OF
5:13:14PM TARGETING THE ENTIRE FLOW COMING OUT OF HOWARD CURREN WHICH
5:13:17PM IS 50, 60 MGD, YOU WORK WITH THE INDUSTRIES AND TARGET MUCH
5:13:21PM SMALLER FLOWS.
5:13:22PM YOU FIND WHERE IT IS COMING FROM AND TARGET IT THERE.
5:13:24PM THAT COULD BE HALF A MILLION GALLON INSTEAD OF THE FULL
5:13:28PM FLOW.
5:13:28PM THIS IS ALSO IMPORTANT EVEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVERSE
5:13:31PM OSMOSIS WHICH IS DESIGNED TO REMOVE TDS, BUT THE MORE TDS
5:13:35PM YOU HAVE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE BECOMES.
5:13:39PM POSITIVE RESULTS, REMOVALS OF ORGANICS AND PHOSPHOROUS AND
5:13:45PM PFAS.
5:13:47PM FOR THE ONES REGULATED IN DRINKING WATER, 40% REMOVAL ON
5:13:50PM AVERAGE.
5:13:50PM THESE WERE ALSO VERY VARIABLE BECAUSE OF THE TDS, SO THAT
5:13:53PM WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED FOR PFAS AS WELL.
5:13:57PM WE DIDN'T GET DOWN TO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
5:14:00PM ONE OF THEM WE DID BUT MUCH CLOSER.
5:14:01PM IN THE END, THIS IS WHY WE PILOT.
5:14:03PM THE SOUP IS SO DIFFERENT AND THE RESULTS AREN'T ALWAYS WHAT
5:14:06PM YOU EXPECT BUT YOU NEED THE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST
5:14:08PM DECISIONS.
5:14:09PM NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX AND A BETTER
5:14:12PM UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE.
5:14:13PM WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:14:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
5:14:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT A QUESTION, PFAS AND PFOS, THEY SAY
5:14:23PM YOU CAN FIND ONE DROP OF WATER IN SIX OLYMPIC POOLS, ONE
5:14:27PM DROP OF THAT AND YOU COULD FIND --
5:14:29PM >> 20 OLYMPIC SWIMMING POOLS AND 4 DROPS OF WATER IS WHAT
5:14:34PM THE STANDARD IS SET OUT FOR DRINKING WATER.
5:14:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:14:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
5:14:42PM THE UPDATE ON THIS PILOT.
5:14:44PM I KNOW THE REASON WE HAD TO WAIT A LITTLE IS YOU WERE OFF
5:14:48PM GETTING MARRIED.
5:14:48PM SO CONGRATULATIONS.
5:14:49PM >> THANK YOU.
5:14:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: CONGRATULATIONS.
5:14:52PM DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE TEST NOW?
5:14:58PM WE'RE MOVING ON FROM THIS.
5:15:02PM I BELIEVE IN INNOVATION.
5:15:03PM I THINK IT'S GOOD TO DO LIMITED R AND D EVERY NOW AND THEN.
5:15:09PM THIS WAS ONLY USED ON LARGE SCALE.
5:15:12PM I THINK ONE PLACE IN THE WORLD AND NOW WE HAVE EXPERIMENTED
5:15:18PM WITH IT.
5:15:19PM LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHAT ELSE YOU ALL COME BACK WITH.
5:15:22PM THIS WAS A PROCESS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT PRETTY EARLY ON AND
5:15:27PM YOU ALL TOOK IT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
5:15:29PM AS YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ALTERNATIVES, PLEASE DO THAT ALSO.
5:15:32PM THE OTHER THING RELATED TO -- DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO
5:15:35PM DEPTH ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW -- BUT I AM CONCERNED FROM SOME OF
5:15:39PM THE PRIOR NUMBERS THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE TOLD US IN THE
5:15:43PM PAST.
5:15:43PM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NITRATE LEVELS IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
5:15:46PM ESPECIALLY AND THE IMPACT THAT'S HAVING ON THE BAY.
5:15:49PM MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE COULD GET SOME EXPERTS TO TALK TO US
5:15:53PM ABOUT IF THERE IS SOME UPSTREAM THINGS THAT WE CAN TRY TO
5:15:57PM IMPACT TO PREVENT THAT, NOT FOR A LONG CONVERSATION NOW.
5:16:03PM BUT THANK YOU.
5:16:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M CURIOUS.
5:16:06PM THE DATA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EXTRAPOLATED FROM THIS PILOT
5:16:09PM PROJECT, I'M ASSUMING THERE THIS BE THINK TANKS AT
5:16:14PM UNIVERSITIES AROUND THE WORLD LOOKING AT THE DATA WE
5:16:16PM PRODUCED?
5:16:17PM >> YEP.
5:16:17PM AND ALSO PROBABLY PRESENTING THIS AT NUMEROUS CONFERENCES.
5:16:20PM IT IS VERY INTERESTING DATA FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
5:16:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M ASSUMING THIS DATA DOESN'T GO TO
5:16:26PM WASTE.
5:16:26PM THIS IS DATA THAT WILL BE USED AS A BASELINE FOR FURTHER
5:16:29PM IMPROVEMENTS IN OTHER STUDIES.
5:16:31PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
5:16:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS WAS FUNDED NOT
5:16:36PM BY US.
5:16:38PM >> RIGHT.
5:16:40PM FULLY FUNDED.
5:16:41PM TWO SEPARATE GRANTS.
5:16:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WONDERFUL.
5:16:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M A GEEK.
5:16:47PM I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THIS AND THE PROCESS.
5:16:50PM I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE IT HAPPENED HERE.
5:16:51PM I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING WHETHER PART OF THE PROJECT,
5:16:55PM DIDN'T MAYBE GET THE EXACT RESULTS WE WERE HOPING FOR BUT IT
5:16:58PM IS THE BASE LINE FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UTILIZED IN THE
5:17:00PM FUTURE.
5:17:01PM APPRECIATE IT.
5:17:01PM THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
5:17:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:17:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:17:05PM APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE
5:17:07PM TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
5:17:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:17:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
5:17:10PM THIS IS WHY WE PILOT.
5:17:12PM ITEM NUMBER 66, ABBYE FEELEY.
5:17:16PM WE DID ASK FOR AN IN-PERSON, IS THAT CORRECT?
5:17:19PM REBECCA JOHNS, ARE YOU IN PLACE?
5:17:23PM >> SHE'S ONLINE.
5:17:26PM >> I WOULD NEVER TRY TO TAKE HER PLACE.
5:17:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MS. FEELEY.
5:17:31PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
5:17:33PM IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN FOR JUST A MINUTE, PLEASE.
5:17:37PM I'M ON A NEW SYSTEM.
5:17:58PM CAN YOU SEE THE TAMPA CODE WEBSITE?
5:18:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
5:18:02PM THERE WE GO.
5:18:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: AWESOME.
5:18:08PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
5:18:09PM REBECCA JUST HANDED OUT FOR YOU SOME FLYERS HERE ON THE
5:18:13PM MONTHLY CODE UPDATE.
5:18:14PM I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED
5:18:18PM THE WEBSITE, TAMPA FORWARD, BUILDING TOMORROW TOGETHER.
5:18:22PM THIS PAST MONDAY.
5:18:24PM THIS IS NOW LIVE FOR THE PUBLIC.
5:18:28PM AND IT DOES CONTAIN A SHORT SURVEY THAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE
5:18:33PM TO FILL OUT AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON OUR PUBLIC KICKOFF
5:18:37PM MEETING WHICH WILL BE SEPTEMBER 16 AT 7 P.M.
5:18:40PM THAT WILL BE BOTH AN IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR
5:18:45PM THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE IN THE KICKOFF FOR THE CODE UPDATE.
5:18:51PM I DID FLYERS.
5:18:52PM THOSE ARE ALSO OUT AND BEING SHARED.
5:18:54PM I PROVIDED ONE IN ENGLISH AND ONE IN SPANISH.
5:18:57PM I CAN ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COPIES IF ANY OF YOU WOULD
5:19:02PM LIKE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COPIES.
5:19:05PM GIVEN THE LATE HOUR, I'LL KEEP IT SHORT.
5:19:09PM WE'RE EXCITED AT THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING AND ALSO IF
5:19:15PM THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO.
5:19:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT?
5:19:23PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S ALL.
5:19:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. FEELEY.
5:19:27PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:19:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
5:19:29PM CONGRATULATIONS.
5:19:30PM I KNOW THE TEAM WAS WORKING VERY HARD ON GETTING THIS GOING.
5:19:34PM DO YOU HAVE THE WEBSITE, THE OTHER WEBSITE OR IS THIS THE
5:19:38PM FULL-ON TAMPA -- OKAY.
5:19:41PM THIS IS THE WEBSITE.
5:19:43PM I JUST WANTED TO ALSO CONGRATULATE YOU BECAUSE THIS LOGO IS
5:19:46PM ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
5:19:47PM LIKE, THIS LOGO IS PHENOMENAL.
5:19:50PM IT SPEAKS TO TAMPA IN SUCH A WONDERFUL WAY, I JUST REALLY
5:19:55PM LOVE IT.
5:19:57PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DO TOO.
5:19:59PM THANKS.
5:20:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, THAT IS A GREAT LOGO.
5:20:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JOKINGLY SAID THIS COULD BE A NEW CITY
5:20:07PM LOGO.
5:20:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
5:20:09PM THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
5:20:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THESE ARE THE EXTRA COPIES UNLESS WE WANT
5:20:21PM TO LEAVE THEM FOR COUNCIL.
5:20:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS THE MARKETING GUY,
5:20:27PM THAT'S WHY.
5:20:28PM GO DOWN MORE.
5:20:32PM AND THEN ZOOM IN ON THAT TOP CORNER.
5:20:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST WANT TO SEE THE LOGO.
5:20:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHERE IT SAYS TAMPA FORWARD.
5:20:52PM >> TOP LEFT.
5:20:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHERE IT SAYS TAMPA FORWARD.
5:20:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ZOOM IN ON THAT.
5:21:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO.
5:21:03PM YOU HAVE CITY HALL, YBOR CITY.
5:21:06PM THAT'S THE JC NEWMAN CIGAR FACTORY, TAMPA THEATRE,
5:21:11PM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND SULPHUR SPRINGS WATER TOWER AND THE
5:21:15PM SUN THAT RISES OVER OUR WONDERFUL CITY.
5:21:19PM IS THAT GOOD?
5:21:20PM ALL RIGHT.
5:21:23PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:21:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
5:21:25PM HAVE A GOOD DAY, COUNCIL.
5:21:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:21:27PM NUMBER 67 WE ASKED FOR KELLY AUSTIN, THE DIRECTOR OF HR.
5:21:33PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
5:21:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SET THIS UP REAL FAST?
5:21:37PM SHE PRESENTED A LONG REPORT OR STAFF PRESENTED A LONG REPORT
5:21:43PM THAT TALKED ABOUT STATE LAW AND CITY RULES AND EVERYTHING.
5:21:46PM HERE IS THE ISSUE, TWO ISSUES, NUMBER ONE, YOU ALL KNOW
5:21:52PM WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE LEAVE THE CITY IN THE
5:21:57PM LAST YEAR.
5:22:00PM 8 OR 10 IN MOBILITY.
5:22:01PM 8 OR 10 OR SO IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
5:22:03PM FOUR OR SO LEAVE IN LEGAL.
5:22:05PM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS
5:22:10PM OUTSIDE, BUT I GET STAFF STOPPING ME ON THE STREET TELLING
5:22:15PM ME ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS.
5:22:19PM POLICE, FIRE, ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY.
5:22:22PM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.
5:22:25PM SO MY FIRST REACTION IS ALWAYS TO TALK TO MS. ZELMAN OR
5:22:28PM MARTY AND THEN I GO BACK TO THE FOLKS BECAUSE MS. ZELMAN'S
5:22:34PM SUGGESTION IS ALWAYS TO GET THEM TO FILE AN HR COMPLAINT OR
5:22:37PM TO GET THEM TO GO TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION OR THEY CAN FILE
5:22:40PM A LAWSUIT.
5:22:42PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE
5:22:45PM FILE LAWSUITS IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
5:22:49PM EOC COMPLAINTS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
5:22:55PM BUT THERE IS A LEGAL MECHANISM, BUT THAT ALSO IS
5:22:58PM INTIMIDATING TO STAFF MEMBERS AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY
5:23:04PM SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND TIME TO HIRE A LAWYER,
5:23:08PM GO TO THE EOC.
5:23:09PM ALSO THE RISK THAT IT WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC.
5:23:12PM SOME FOLKS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE GUDES CASE, THEY ARE
5:23:15PM WORRIED ABOUT HOW THE ADMINISTRATION PUBLICIZED THE CLAIMANT
5:23:19PM IN THAT CASE AND THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NAMES TO BE IN THE
5:23:23PM PRESS OR USED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
5:23:25PM FOLKS, THEY ARE PROBABLY ASKING YOU THE SAME THING THEY ARE
5:23:29PM ASKING ME, WHAT DO WE DO?
5:23:31PM IF A STAFF MEMBER GOES TO THE HR DEPARTMENT, THE HR
5:23:35PM DEPARTMENT REPORTS TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
5:23:37PM CHIEF OF STAFF REPORTS TO THE MAYOR.
5:23:39PM THE OTHER CHOICE IS TO GO TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
5:23:43PM ETHICS COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY REPORTS TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
5:23:46PM THE POINT IS THAT THERE'S NO THIRD PARTY THAT'S OBJECTIVE
5:23:52PM AND CONFIDENTIAL THAT SOMEBODY CAN GO TO.
5:23:56PM THE ONLY THING THEY COULD DO IS FILE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
5:23:59PM JUSTICE OR FILE A LAWSUIT.
5:24:02PM I DON'T THINK A LAWSUIT BENEFITS THE CITY.
5:24:05PM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CITY WHEN THERE
5:24:07PM MIGHT BE MINOR CHANGES WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE.
5:24:09PM THE QUESTION IS, AND COUNCILMAN VIERA DEALT AND I THINK
5:24:14PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON DEALT WITH THIS AT HART, WHAT IS
5:24:18PM OUR OBLIGATION, WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
5:24:21PM I THINK MS. ZELMAN THINKS I DON'T HAVE ANY LIABILITY AS LONG
5:24:25PM AS I RECOMMENDED THAT PEOPLE CONTACT THE OFFICIAL CHANNELS
5:24:29PM AS A CITIZEN IN THE COMMUNITY, AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, I
5:24:34PM FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY.
5:24:35PM ALSO THE HUMAN RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE TO
5:24:37PM BETTER THEIR SITUATION.
5:24:38PM IT SEEMS TO ME THERE SHOULD BE EASIER WAYS TO SOLVE SOME OF
5:24:42PM THE CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
5:24:43PM AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONFLICTS THROUGHOUT IN DIFFERENT
5:24:46PM DEPARTMENTS.
5:24:47PM SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
5:24:49PM SHOULD WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE ADMINISTRATION TO SET UP A
5:24:52PM SEPARATE CONSULTING FIRM THAT WOULD HAVE A THIRD-PARTY HOT
5:24:55PM LINE THAT WOULD KEEP THINGS CONFIDENTIAL?
5:24:57PM SHOULD WE HIRE LIKE HART DID, HIRE A CONSULTANT TO COME IN
5:25:01PM AND DO AN ANALYSIS TOP TO BOTTOM AND RECOMMEND WHAT WE DO.
5:25:04PM WE HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWERS.
5:25:06PM THIS IS NOT TO BE PUNITIVE IN ANY WAY.
5:25:08PM EVERY ORGANIZATION HAS COMPLAINTS, BUT I'VE HEARD SO MANY
5:25:11PM COMPLAINTS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND WE'VE LOST
5:25:15PM A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE, IT SEEMS TO ME WE NEED SOMETHING TO
5:25:18PM LET OFF THE PRESSURE VALVE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO
5:25:21PM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE EXISTING CHANNELS.
5:25:24PM I WANT TO THROW THAT ON THE TABLE AND SEE IF YOU ALL WANT TO
5:25:27PM DO SOMETHING OR DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.
5:25:30PM I DON'T KNOW.
5:25:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
5:25:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY THIS, NO ONE HAS COME TO
5:25:35PM ME.
5:25:35PM NONE.
5:25:36PM THE FOUR THAT LEFT, I TALKED TO THREE OF THEM ONE ON ONE AND
5:25:39PM THEY NEVER TOLD ME WHY THEY LEFT.
5:25:41PM THEY JUST SAID IT WAS TIME TO GO.
5:25:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. JOHNS.
5:25:54PM >> THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY MEMO IS ON.
5:25:56PM I CAN GO THROUGH THE FLORIDA WHISTLE-BLOWER ACT.
5:26:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MEMO AND MOTION WAS TO ASK THE
5:26:03PM BACKGROUND OF WHAT ARE THE PROCESSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW?
5:26:08PM SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF
5:26:12PM WHAT IS THERE.
5:26:13PM STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
5:26:16PM BEYOND THAT FOLKS ARE STILL TELLING ME -- I'M NOT ASKING
5:26:19PM THEM TO TELL ME.
5:26:20PM I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND PEOPLE STOP ME.
5:26:23PM WHAT ARE THE CHANNELS THAT WE CAN SET UP FOR FOLKS.
5:26:28PM BY THE WAY, I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
5:26:31PM MS. ZELMAN.
5:26:33PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
5:26:34PM DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS?
5:26:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: FOR MS. JOHNS, IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH WITH US
5:26:41PM WHAT ARE THE PRESENT METHODS BY WHICH PEOPLE HAVE.
5:26:44PM I'M THINKING MAYBE NOT IN MANAGEMENT BUT A LOT OF FOLKS IN
5:26:47PM UNIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND OUR UNIONS ARE CERTAINLY VERY VOCAL
5:26:51PM FOR ONE THING.
5:26:52PM WE HEAR ABOUT THAT A GREAT DEAL.
5:26:54PM BUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT EMPLOYEES ALREADY HAVE
5:27:00PM AS A MEANS TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE ANY SORT OF
5:27:03PM CHALLENGES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THERE HAVE BEEN.
5:27:06PM THEY ARE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
5:27:08PM I WANT TO KNOW.
5:27:08PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: THE MOTION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAS
5:27:12PM REGARDING PROCEDURES FOR WHISTLE-BLOWERS.
5:27:16PM WHISTLE-BLOWERS ARE A VERY DEFINED GROUP.
5:27:19PM MY MEMO FOCUSED ON THE WHISTLE-BLOWERS.
5:27:22PM THERE IS A WHISTLE-BLOWER, A FLORIDA WHISTLE-BLOWERS ACT,
5:27:26PM AND THAT ACT DEFINES WHAT WOULD BE A WHISTLE-BLOWER.
5:27:29PM AND THEN IT DIRECTS A WHISTLE-BLOWER TO THE CITY'S
5:27:34PM ORDINANCE.
5:27:34PM THE CITY'S ORDINANCE STATES THAT IF THERE IS A
5:27:38PM WHISTLE-BLOWER THAT HAS A COMPLAINT, THEY WOULD GO TO THE
5:27:41PM ETHICS OFFICER AND IT SENDS THEM THROUGH THE ETHICS
5:27:44PM COMMISSION.
5:27:44PM I CAN GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS IF YOU'D LIKE.
5:27:47PM WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALSO ENCOMPASSES JUST GENERAL
5:27:52PM GRIEVANCES FROM AN HR POINT OF VIEW.
5:27:55PM OUR PERSONNEL MANUAL AND THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
5:27:59PM AGREEMENTS HAVE PROCESSES FOR GRIEVANCES FOR NONUNION
5:28:04PM EMPLOYEES AND UNION EMPLOYEES.
5:28:06PM ESPECIALLY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WILL SEND
5:28:09PM YOU THROUGH A GRIEVANCE PROCESS STEP BY STEP.
5:28:13PM SO I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
5:28:16PM THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS FOCUSED ON.
5:28:18PM I CAN OBVIOUSLY COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.
5:28:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD SAY REAL FAST, SOME OF THE THINGS
5:28:24PM THAT FOLKS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE INDIVIDUAL GRIEVANCES.
5:28:27PM AND SOME OF THEM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SYSTEMIC ISSUES.
5:28:33PM SOME OF THEM WOULD FALL UNDER WHISTLE-BLOWER AND SOME OF
5:28:35PM THEM WOULD BE UNDER HR.
5:28:37PM BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?
5:28:39PM I CAN ASK YOU THIS PRIVATELY, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH HART
5:28:45PM AND I WAS HOPING MS. HENDERSON WOULD BE HERE, DO YOU HAVE
5:28:49PM ADVICE OR RECOMMENDATION?
5:28:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:28:53PM WITH HART WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING
5:28:56PM WITH.
5:28:56PM I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF HART.
5:28:59PM I DON'T DEAL WITH THE DAY-TO-DAY EMPLOYEE RELATION ISSUES
5:29:02PM WITH HART.
5:29:02PM A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THINK I DO, BUT I DON'T.
5:29:05PM WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
5:29:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S THE SAME THING WITH US, BY THE WAY.
5:29:11PM WE'RE BEING ASKED THE QUESTIONS BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY
5:29:13PM AUTHORITY.
5:29:13PM BY CHARTER --
5:29:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN IT COMES DAY TO DAY WITH HART, I THINK
5:29:18PM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO HAVE A PROCESS OF OPENNESS,
5:29:21PM LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A NEW CEO, SCOTT DRAINVILLE, WHO
5:29:25PM I THINK EPITOMIZES TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS AND I THINK
5:29:29PM THAT'S SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
5:29:30PM FOR MS. JOHNS, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
5:29:34PM A STATEMENT.
5:29:37PM I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALSO COME FROM, THIS IS
5:29:40PM AN ONGOING CHALLENGE.
5:29:42PM AGAIN, SOME OF THESE WORKERS MAY NOT BE ATU, PBA OR 754,
5:29:47PM ALSO FROM THE UNIONS THAT THIS IS A BIG ONGOING CHALLENGE.
5:29:50PM NUMBER TWO, HOW ABOUT CONCERTED ACTIVITY?
5:29:52PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN OPINE ON THAT.
5:29:55PM NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS ACT.
5:29:57PM MY RECOLLECTION IS, I CLERKED WITH THE NATIONAL LABOR
5:29:58PM RELATIONS BOARD IN LAW SCHOOL.
5:30:01PM IS THAT ANYTHING RELEVANT TO THIS?
5:30:06PM IN OTHER WORDS, WORKERS IN CONCERT, ADVOCATING FOR BETTER
5:30:11PM WORKING CONDITIONS, MORE THAN ONE, I THINK IT QUALIFIES, IF
5:30:15PM MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT.
5:30:16PM AND THAT'S PROTECTED ACTIVITY THAT IS PROTECTED UNDER LAW.
5:30:22PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE
5:30:24PM ASKING.
5:30:25PM IF YOU HAVE WORKERS THAT ARE JOINING TOGETHER FOR BETTER
5:30:30PM WORKING CONDITIONS, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE COLLECTIVE
5:30:32PM BARGAINING, WHICH IS PROTECTED.
5:30:33PM SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD OCCUR DURING THE COLLECTIVE
5:30:36PM BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS.
5:30:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH.
5:30:40PM IT'S HARD.
5:30:41PM FOR THIS, BEFORE COMING WITH A PROPOSED SOLUTION, FIRST WE
5:30:45PM HAVE TO ASCERTAIN THE PROBLEM OR THE CHALLENGE.
5:30:50PM THERE IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
5:30:52PM CHALLENGE, REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE OR SOME SORT OF COUNCIL
5:30:54PM ACTION, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT BUT I HAVE TO ENGAGE MORE
5:30:58PM ON THAT ISSUE.
5:30:59PM I KNOW YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS WHO
5:31:02PM LEFT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON IT
5:31:06PM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT ON WHY PEOPLE LEAVE, THIS,
5:31:09PM THAT.
5:31:09PM EVERYBODY LEAVES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
5:31:11PM I KNOW YOU HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE MOBILITY.
5:31:13PM THINGS THERE.
5:31:14PM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
5:31:16PM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER PEOPLE.
5:31:19PM BUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS I WOULD WANT TO DO MORE INQUIRY
5:31:24PM BEFORE ACTING FORMALLY ON ANYTHING.
5:31:26PM THAT'S ME.
5:31:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN
5:31:29PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:31:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THESE ISSUES ARE GETTING CROSSED
5:31:35PM OVER AND CONFUSED.
5:31:36PM I'M SURE PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THE SAME FRUSTRATION FROM THE
5:31:40PM LEGAL SIDE OF THIS.
5:31:42PM I DO HEAR THINGS.
5:31:46PM I'VE HEARD PEOPLE -- I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE.
5:31:50PM THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING FLOATING OUT THERE.
5:31:53PM I SUSPECT IT'S MORE OF A MORALE ISSUE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING
5:31:59PM THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
5:32:02PM WE'RE NOT THE EMPLOYERS.
5:32:04PM I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, BUT I BELIEVE SOMETHING MAYBE
5:32:07PM INDIVIDUALLY WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND
5:32:11PM MAYBE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE PERSONNEL SPECIALISTS.
5:32:15PM STARING ACROSS THE ROOM, MAYBE MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THE CHIEF
5:32:18PM OF STAFF AND PERSONNEL BECAUSE I WORKED IN ENVIRONMENTS LIKE
5:32:22PM THAT BEFORE THAT THEY CAN DO SURVEYS, FIND OUT WHAT THE
5:32:26PM TEMPERATURE IS, WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHERE PEOPLE'S
5:32:30PM FRUSTRATIONS ARE AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST THE NATURAL FATIGUE
5:32:34PM OF A SECOND ADMINISTRATION TOO.
5:32:37PM YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE DYNAMICS AND THE FRUSTRATIONS OF
5:32:41PM ISSUES WITH THE CITY DEALING WITH US.
5:32:45PM WHO KNOWS WHERE THE ISSUES WILL COME TO LIGHT AND MAYBE A
5:32:51PM SURVEY.
5:32:51PM I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WARRANTED.
5:32:54PM VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHISTLE-BLOWER.
5:32:55PM WHISTLE-BLOWER ACTS, LEGAL DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CONFINED.
5:32:58PM VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE FORMAL PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE
5:33:01PM WITH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND THE RIGHT TO REPRESENTATION
5:33:06PM AND THE UNION STANDING AND ALL OF THAT.
5:33:08PM BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THERE.
5:33:10PM I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH PURSUING.
5:33:12PM I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF THE
5:33:15PM COUNCIL TO GET INVOLVED IN PERSONNEL DECISIONS, PERSONNEL
5:33:18PM ISSUES.
5:33:19PM MAYBE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY LOOK AT
5:33:23PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
5:33:24PM -- SOMETHING HAPPENING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
5:33:28PM THANK YOU.
5:33:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:33:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S OBVIOUS FROM THE CHARTER AND TALKING TO
5:33:33PM LEGAL, WE CANNOT GET INVOLVED IN ANY INDIVIDUAL CASES.
5:33:37PM THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
5:33:38PM ALL WE CAN DO IS REDIRECT PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE CADENCE THAT
5:33:45PM I KEEP HEARING FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF
5:33:47PM ISSUES, THEY WOULD LIKE AN OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY SOLUTION IN
5:33:54PM SOME WAY.
5:33:54PM LET ME TRY THIS AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
5:33:56PM MOTION TO HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 7 ABOUT
5:34:01PM WHETHER COUNCIL SHOULD LOOK AT OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY
5:34:05PM SOLUTIONS FOR EMPLOYEE GRIEVANCES OR WHISTLE-BLOWER ISSUES.
5:34:08PM SOME OF THEM ARE WHISTLE-BLOWER ISSUES, BUT PEOPLE WANT LIKE
5:34:12PM AN INTERMEDIATE STEP.
5:34:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
5:34:15PM BUT I RECOMMEND WE HAVE A CONVERSATION DURING A WORKSHOP
5:34:19PM BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHEN --
5:34:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, I WON'T BE
5:34:26PM OFFENDED.
5:34:26PM LIKE I'VE HAD SO MANY ASK FOR IT.
5:34:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK I NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT TO
5:34:34PM DO BECAUSE I HEAR THE EXACT SAME THINGS.
5:34:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO JANUARY 30th WORKSHOP?
5:34:38PM THERE'S NO OTHER WORKSHOP WITHIN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER.
5:34:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: JANUARY 30th.
5:34:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS A WORKSHOP.
5:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW.
5:34:48PM THAT'S THE NEXT WORKSHOP.
5:34:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN SUPPORT OF THAT, IT GIVES US TIME TO
5:34:52PM THINK ABOUT THIS AND WE CAN ALWAYS -- MAYBE MORE RIPE AT
5:34:56PM THAT POINT.
5:34:57PM IF YOU'RE ASKING ME TO MEET NEXT WEEK ON THIS, I DON'T THINK
5:35:00PM I NECESSARILY WOULD APPROVE IT.
5:35:02PM THAT AMOUNT OF TIME --
5:35:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: CHANGE IT TO JANUARY 30th.
5:35:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND VIERA.
5:35:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING MR. SHELBY
5:35:12PM MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US FACILITATE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT
5:35:18PM THIS, LIKE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO, BECAUSE THIS IS AN
5:35:22PM AREA I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT.
5:35:23PM I LOOK FORWARD TO OTHER FOLKS -- THEN AWESOME.
5:35:29PM THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU HAVE RESOURCES THAT YOU COULD
5:35:34PM SHARE WITH MR. SHELBY WHO COULD SHARE COLLECTIVELY WITH US
5:35:37PM ABOUT WHERE TO GO TO READ.
5:35:39PM I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN.
5:35:41PM IF YOU HAVE SOME RESOURCES, I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
5:35:44PM YOU COULD SHARE THOSE WITH MR. SHELBY AND HE COULD SHARE
5:35:46PM THEM PUBLICLY WITH US.
5:35:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE NEED TO LET THIS PERCOLATE AND
5:35:53PM HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND TALK WITH FOLKS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT
5:35:57PM IN JANUARY.
5:35:58PM THERE IS A LOT OF LEGAL -- THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS
5:36:04PM HAPPENING.
5:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
5:36:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL SUPPORT THIS.
5:36:16PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ASCERTAIN WHAT THE FOUNDATION TO
5:36:18PM THIS IS BETWEEN NOW AND WHENEVER IT COMES BACK TO SEE IF
5:36:23PM THESE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED RISE TO THE
5:36:26PM LEVEL OF SOME SORT OF FORMAL COUNCIL ACTION.
5:36:29PM AS A COURTESY, I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS TO HAVE FURTHER
5:36:32PM DISCUSSION ON IT.
5:36:33PM I WANT TO SEE, AGAIN, ARE THESE ISSUES BEING HIGHLIGHTED, DO
5:36:37PM THEY WARRANT TAKING A STEP LIKE THIS?
5:36:39PM THAT'S ON US I THINK TO LOOK AT THAT INDIVIDUALLY.
5:36:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A CHARTER QUESTION.
5:36:44PM I THINK THE ONLY STANDING THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE WOULD
5:36:48PM BE THE INVESTIGATORY --
5:36:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT.
5:36:54PM YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF ASSOCIATED LAW,
5:36:57PM LIKE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS, WHETHER YOU CAN
5:37:00PM INVOLVE YOURSELF --
5:37:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS COMPLICATED.
5:37:05PM AS WE PUT OUR HATS ON IT, IF THIS MATURES TO THE POINT
5:37:09PM THAT'S WHAT LOOKING AT IN JANUARY.
5:37:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THIS NOW IN THAT THIS
5:37:16PM INVOLVES THE ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU WANT TO INVITE THE
5:37:18PM ADMINISTRATION TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION OR PRESENT?
5:37:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF ALL THE
5:37:24PM DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE.
5:37:24PM SOME WE CAN'T HAVE WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM ANYWAY.
5:37:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
5:37:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL HAVE INFORMATION YOU WANT TO ADD
5:37:31PM TO THIS OR WANT TO CHANGE IT OR KILL IT, BRING IT UP IN NEW
5:37:35PM BUSINESS BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT OUTSIDE OF HERE.
5:37:38PM BRING IT UP IN NEW BUSINESS.
5:37:39PM I WON'T BE OFFENDED.
5:37:40PM I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS.
5:37:43PM I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE EMPLOYEES HANGING WHO ASKED FOR
5:37:45PM SOMETHING.
5:37:46PM IF YOU ALL FIND THAT WE'RE AT A DEAD END, TELL ME AND WE'LL
5:37:50PM STOP.
5:37:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
5:37:52PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:37:52PM AYE.
5:37:53PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:37:53PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:37:55PM ITEM NUMBER 68, WE DID NOT -- WE HAD A REQUEST TO CONTINUE.
5:38:01PM WE TOOK CARE OF THAT.
5:38:02PM ITEM 69 IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT RESOLUTION FOR 50,000 BUCKS.
5:38:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
5:38:09PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
5:38:11PM YOU RECEIVED A MEMO FROM JUSTIN VASKE WHICH RELAYS A
5:38:17PM PREVIOUS MEMO FROM MR. ROGERO.
5:38:20PM THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE ALREADY FOR THE '24 BUDGET WITHOUT
5:38:24PM THE NEED FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
5:38:27PM AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE INCORPORATED AND APPROPRIATED IN
5:38:31PM FY '25.
5:38:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO NO ACTION IS NEEDED.
5:38:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BUT TO BRING
5:38:37PM COUNCIL UP TO DATE, WE ARE WORKING, LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
5:38:40PM PURCHASING AND MYSELF, WORKING WITH USF EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH
5:38:45PM COUNCIL AND VIERA'S OFFICE TO BRING BACK POSTHASTE A RESO
5:38:55PM APPROVING THE CONTRACT FOR THE FACILITATOR HOPEFULLY WITH A
5:38:58PM SEPTEMBER START.
5:38:59PM SHORTHAND FOR RESOLUTION.
5:39:03PM THAT'S CHAMBER MUSIC.
5:39:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE GENTLEMAN WE'RE
5:39:15PM TALKING ABOUT IS DARRYL BUTLER, A FINE INDIVIDUAL.
5:39:17PM HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
5:39:19PM I HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN HIM.
5:39:21PM WE GOT HIM THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, ANGELA
5:39:26PM CRIST, A WONDERFUL WOMAN.
5:39:28PM I THINK HE WILL BE A REALLY GOOD GENTLEMAN FOR THIS BOARD.
5:39:32PM WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE -- I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH YOU ABOUT THIS
5:39:35PM SPECIFICALLY -- A VERY SMALL RESOLUTION TWEAK ON THE DATE
5:39:39PM BECAUSE THERE IS A CUTOFF I THINK IN FEBRUARY.
5:39:43PM IF WE START IN OCTOBER, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PUSH IT
5:39:47PM A LITTLE BIT.
5:39:47PM I'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON NEXT WEEK OR
5:39:50PM WHATEVER.
5:39:50PM OBVIOUSLY, NO RUSH WITH THAT.
5:39:53PM BUT EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE GOING WELL.
5:39:57PM BUT IT'S BEEN -- AGAIN, I SAY THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY AND TO
5:40:00PM BRANDON FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK BECAUSE THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT
5:40:04PM OF TIME.
5:40:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE I SAY, IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON WHAT
5:40:09PM YOU'RE SAYING.
5:40:09PM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT USF IS WORKING WITH JUSTIN VASKE
5:40:14PM AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT FACT AND THAT WILL BE
5:40:17PM INCORPORATED INTO THE CONTRACT.
5:40:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: I STILL WANT TO GIVE THEM A SAFETY NET.
5:40:22PM YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
5:40:24PM IF OUR WAIST IS 34, WHY BUY --
5:40:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ON 69.
5:40:44PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:40:46PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
5:40:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:40:49PM AYE.
5:40:49PM ITEM 70 WE TOOK CARE OF.
5:40:52PM ITEM 71 WE TOOK CARE OF.
5:40:55PM ITEM 72 WE TOOK CARE OF.
5:40:57PM ITEM 73 WE TOOK CARE OF.
5:40:59PM ITEM 74 WE TOOK CARE OF.
5:41:02PM THAT LEAVES US WITH ITEM 75.
5:41:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
5:41:07PM I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ MS. ZELMAN'S MEMO ON
5:41:11PM THIS.
5:41:13PM SO I, PER MS. ZELMAN'S MEMO ON AGENDA ITEM 75, TO TAKE
5:41:18PM ADVANTAGE OF THE STATUTORY CHANGES AND OPT OUT OF PROVIDING
5:41:21PM A 75% PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SERVING
5:41:26PM THE 80 TO 120 PERCENT AMI BRACKET.
5:41:29PM I MOVE TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PREPARE A RESOLUTION
5:41:32PM CONTAINING THE APPROPRIATE FINDINGS AND HAVE THE CLERK
5:41:35PM ADVERTISE THE RESOLUTION IN THE NEWSPAPER PER SECTION
5:41:38PM 50.0111 SUBSECTION 1, FLORIDA STATUTES PRIOR TO ADOPTION.
5:41:44PM I HAVE COORDINATED WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN HAVE THIS READY
5:41:46PM TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT ON
5:41:50PM SEPTEMBER 17.
5:41:52PM BASICALLY WHAT THIS DOES, IT -- IT'S YEARLY.
5:41:55PM WE HAVE TO REDO THIS EVERY YEAR.
5:41:59PM AND WHAT HER MEMO SHOWED IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF
5:42:06PM HOUSING WITHIN THE 80 TO 120% AMI.
5:42:10PM WE HAVE EXCESS OF HOUSING.
5:42:12PM WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE IS UNDER 80% AMI,
5:42:18PM SO THIS WILL DO THAT.
5:42:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE.
5:42:21PM YES, MR. SHELBY.
5:42:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
5:42:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: VERY SORRY.
5:42:27PM 19th.
5:42:29PM MY APOLOGIES.
5:42:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CORRECTION.
5:42:31PM THAT IS FOR THE 19th.
5:42:32PM THERE IS A SECOND.
5:42:33PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:42:33PM THE SECOND WAS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
5:42:36PM THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
5:42:39PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
5:42:42PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU DO.
5:42:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
5:42:44PM JUST REALLY QUICK.
5:42:45PM I WAS ASKED BY OUR FRIENDS AT A LOCAL INDIAN AMERICAN
5:42:53PM ORGANIZATION THAT MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW TO DO A COMMENDATION
5:42:55PM FOR THEIR 50 YEARS.
5:42:56PM IT WILL BE OFF SITE ON SUNDAY.
5:42:58PM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME, SUNDAY, THE ONE NEAR TEMPLE
5:43:07PM TERRACE.
5:43:08PM I'LL E-MAIL -- AND HAVE HER SEND OUT -- HAVE ANYBODY AND
5:43:12PM EVERYBODY THERE.
5:43:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
5:43:14PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:43:15PM AYE.
5:43:16PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:43:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: A YOUNG GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF BRADEN HARRIS
5:43:21PM BECAME AN EAGLE SCOUT.
5:43:22PM LIKE TO GIVE HIM A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE.
5:43:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA,
5:43:26PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
5:43:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:43:26PM AYE.
5:43:26PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:43:27PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
5:43:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO, SIR.
5:43:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL
5:43:32PM MEMBER HURTAK.
5:43:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME.
5:43:36PM I HAVE THREE.
5:43:36PM ON JULY 18, I MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTION THAT THE
5:43:40PM ADMINISTRATION BE REQUESTED TO INCLUDE AUDITS FOR BOTH
5:43:43PM SIDEWALK FUNDS AND TREE FUNDS IN THE AUDIT PLAN FOR 2025.
5:43:47PM CHIEF BENNETT REACHED OUT TO ME AND ASK IF I WOULD CHANGE MY
5:43:51PM MOTION TO REQUEST A NON-AUDIT SERVICE INSTEAD OF A FULL
5:43:54PM AUDIT OF THE TREE FUND AND THE SIDEWALK FUND.
5:43:57PM PER CHIEF BENNETT, NON-AUDIT SERVICE IS LESS IN SCOPE THAN A
5:44:01PM FULL AUDIT BUT WILL ALLOW US TO ASSESS THE AREAS OF CONCERN
5:44:04PM GIVEN OUR AVAILABLE AUDIT RESOURCES.
5:44:07PM BASICALLY IT'S NOT A DEPARTMENT, DOESN'T NEED A FULL AUDIT.
5:44:10PM I'M CHANGING PREVIOUS MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE
5:44:12PM ADMINISTRATION INCLUDE TWO NON-AUDIT SERVICES IN THE FY 2025
5:44:18PM AUDIT AGENDA TO REVIEW THE TREE TRUST FUND AND SIDEWALK IN
5:44:22PM LIEU FUND.
5:44:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY MIRANDA.
5:44:27PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:44:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PRESENT AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION TO HOMEGROWN
5:44:31PM HILLSBOROUGH FOR THEIR WORK TO PROMOTE HEALTHY EATING,
5:44:34PM ECONOMIC SUPPORT FOR SMALL LOCAL FARMS AND NEIGHBORHOOD
5:44:36PM FARMERS MARKETS.
5:44:37PM I WILL PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION THIS SUNDAY, AUGUST 4 AT
5:44:41PM THE HYDE PARK FARMERS MARKET WHICH IS THE FIRST OF THREE
5:44:44PM LOCAL FARMERS MARKET EVENTS DURING NATIONAL FARMERS MARKET
5:44:48PM WEEK.
5:44:48PM OTHER TWO EVENTS AUGUST 10 AT CARROLLWOOD FARMERS MARKET AND
5:44:52PM AUGUST 11 AT THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS MARKET.
5:44:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
5:44:56PM HURTAK.
5:44:56PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
5:44:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:44:59PM AYE.
5:44:59PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:45:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE.
5:45:01PM I HAVE MET WITH STAFF AND THEY WILL PREPARE A SIDEWALK
5:45:03PM UPDATE REPORT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING THE NUMBER OF SIDEWALKS
5:45:07PM AND LINEAR FEET BUILT WITH SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE FUNDS FOR
5:45:10PM COUNCIL THAT CAN BE USED TO INFORM OUR DECISIONS MOVING
5:45:13PM FORWARD WITH THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE.
5:45:16PM I MOVE THAT THE STAFF PROVIDE THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION
5:45:19PM FUNDED BY IN LIEU FEES REPORT AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON
5:45:23PM AUGUST 22, 2024.
5:45:25PM BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, THEN I MOVE TO CONTINUE
5:45:31PM THE RESOLUTION TO ADJUST THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE TO JANUARY
5:45:35PM 9, 2025.
5:45:37PM THIS WILL GIVE STAFF TIME TO GATHER MORE DATA TO DETERMINE
5:45:40PM THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS.
5:45:43PM THIS WAS BY THEIR REQUEST.
5:45:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK HAS THE MOTION.
5:45:47PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
5:45:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:45:49PM AYE.
5:45:50PM ANYTHING ELSE?
5:45:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
5:45:51PM THAT DOES.
5:45:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:45:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS ONE WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MY LEGISLATIVE
5:46:04PM AIDE WHO WORKED OUT THE DATES.
5:46:05PM MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENT,
5:46:09PM QUOTE, BY 2050, 81% OF TAMPA'S POPULATION OUTSIDE COASTAL
5:46:14PM HIGH HAZARD AREA, UNQUOTE, AT THE JANUARY 30, 2025 TAMPA
5:46:19PM CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION.
5:46:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
5:46:22PM CARLSON.
5:46:23PM SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
5:46:24PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:46:25PM AYE.
5:46:25PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:46:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE, LISTEN TO THE MOTION BECAUSE I'LL
5:46:29PM EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS AND YOU CAN TELL ME WHETHER YOU AGREE OR
5:46:32PM NOT.
5:46:32PM MOTION TO ASK THE CHAIR TO SEND A LETTER TO MAYOR WELCH,
5:46:43PM ST. PETE CITY COUNCIL CHAIR, AND THE RAYS PRESIDENT BRIAN TO
5:46:49PM CONGRATULATE THEM ON APPROVING A DEAL TO KEEP THE RAYS IN
5:46:52PM TAMPA BAY.
5:46:53PM I'VE MENTIONED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT NOW THE DEAL IS
5:46:59PM APPROVED.
5:46:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
5:47:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A --
5:47:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
5:47:05PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE ENDORSE THE DEAL.
5:47:11PM I JUST THINK AS A SIGN OF REGIONALISM IT'S GOOD TO
5:47:14PM CONGRATULATE PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE BIG SUCCESSES.
5:47:17PM MOTION WITHDRAWN.
5:47:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
5:47:27PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
5:47:30PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:47:32PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:47:32PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
5:47:32PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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